I'm trying to establish the proximity of Lemberg, Neustadt, Pommern to Massowitz, Bütow, Pommern. A look at Shtetl Seeker didn't immediately make this clear. I know that Massowitz today is Maslowice, Poland. I'm not sure what Lemberg is called now. I'm researching two likely siblings, Laura Kramp Gohr and Wilhelm Kramp (originally Krampikowski), both buried in the same family plot at Concordia Cemetery in Chicago. Wilhelm's reported birthplace was Lemberg, Laura's Massowitz. Are these towns close together or are they widely separated in what was once Pommern? Any help would be appreciated. Regards, Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes http://sakionline.net/familypage

It certainly is a small world!...where are you located? I live out side of Philadelphia...and would like to keep in touch...when I receive an obit or what ever I send a copy to Rose...Would you like me to e-mail a copy to you also....Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Deao" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Were Census' Done in Hohenzollern? > Jane - Yes, mine were Elk Co. too. I'm a pen-pal of Rose's - you must be > *the > *cousin Jane she's told me about! What a coincidence. I'm from George's > brother Wendelin Schaut b.1783. Your grandfather Charles shared lots of > records with me. Let's keep in touch. Kathleen Deao > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.1/2071 - Release Date: 04/21/09 08:30:00

Jane - Yes, mine were Elk Co. too. I'm a pen-pal of Rose's - you must be *the *cousin Jane she's told me about! What a coincidence. I'm from George's brother Wendelin Schaut b.1783. Your grandfather Charles shared lots of records with me. Let's keep in touch. Kathleen Deao

Hello Veronica, If you go back to the family center could you see if there are films for a little earlier years? My family left from Stettin to Central America in 1854. I know this does not mean they were from Stettin as many people left through that Port. However, it would at least rule out that place of birth. Their family names are HANNUTH and KREELING. Thank you. Dawn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Veronica Malmberg" <[email protected]> To: "Robyn Waymouth" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] PRUSSIA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 4,Issue 92 Stettin Directories > The Stettin Address Book films I have are for 1866, 1874, 1876, 1878, and > 1879. If these are not too late for your family I can take a look when I > go back to the Family History Center. I didn't check the library > catalogue > to see if there are other years available. > Veronica > >> [Original Message] >> From: Robyn Waymouth <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >> Date: 4/20/2009 8:50:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] PRUSSIA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 92 > Maurermeisters >> >> Hi Veronica, >> >> I wonder where you have seen directories for Stettin. I have family >> there in the early 1800s who could well be listed - surname von >> Zaluskowski. Hope you can help. >> >> Regards, Robyn >> >> Veronica Malmberg wrote: >> > Carol, >> > My ancestor, Christian Friedrich Gottlieb LÜDKE was a master brick >> > maker >> > also. He lived in Stettin in the early 1800s. Where was your family >> > located? Various cities did have directories of residents that included >> > their occupation. I remember seeing one for Berlin and Stettin had > one. >> > The problem is unless you have an unusual surname you can't really tell > if >> > it is your ancestor. >> > Veronica >> > >> > Message: 4 >> > >> >> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:35:51 -0500 >> >> From: Carol Duff <[email protected]> >> >> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Apprentices >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed >> >> >> >> Thank you so much for the information, Sabine. My family werte master >> >> brick/tile makers in the 1600,1700s. i have never been able to find a >> >> registry for the "meisters". Does one exist? Carol >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2066 - Release Date: > 04/18/09 09:55:00 >> > >> > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kathy, I also have Schaut in my family living primarily in Pennsylvania. They are descendents of Jacob 1711-1790. The majority of my research has been in USA. My grandfather did, however, visit Ringingin, Germany. He believed they originated there and he visited with some relatives. This was in the 1950s. Thought this info may be helpful...Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Deao" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Were Census' Done in Hohenzollern? > Dave - I had Schaut family there; have you seen them anywhere in > Sigmaringen? > > Kathleen > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 1:54 PM, David Stroebel > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> My ancestors came from the Sigmaringen/Veringenstadt/Ostrach >> Baden-Wurttemberg area when it was part of Hohenzollern. Were census' >> done >> there from 1845-1930? >> >> Thank you, >> >> -Dave >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.1/2070 - Release Date: 04/20/09 17:56:00

Hi Veronica, I wonder where you have seen directories for Stettin. I have family there in the early 1800s who could well be listed - surname von Zaluskowski. Hope you can help. Regards, Robyn Veronica Malmberg wrote: > Carol, > My ancestor, Christian Friedrich Gottlieb LÜDKE was a master brick maker > also. He lived in Stettin in the early 1800s. Where was your family > located? Various cities did have directories of residents that included > their occupation. I remember seeing one for Berlin and Stettin had one. > The problem is unless you have an unusual surname you can't really tell if > it is your ancestor. > Veronica > > Message: 4 > >> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:35:51 -0500 >> From: Carol Duff <[email protected]> >> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Apprentices >> To: [email protected] >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed >> >> Thank you so much for the information, Sabine. My family werte master >> brick/tile makers in the 1600,1700s. i have never been able to find a >> registry for the "meisters". Does one exist? Carol >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2066 - Release Date: 04/18/09 09:55:00 > >

Dear Veronica: My husband's maternal ancestors are largely from Stettin. Would you kindly look up the following for me when you have a moment: 1. Carl Johann Hermann Stabenow, died 1877 Stettin. Although he was born in Stralsund, he married 1862 in Stettin. His wife: 2. Therese Anna Elise Ellmann, born 1840 Stettin, died 1887 Stettin 3. Parents of Therese Ellmann: Joachim Friedrich Wilhelm Ellmann, born 1816, died in Stettin possibly 1896, married 1839 Stettin 4. Dorothea Albertine Emilie Schaefer, born 1818 Stettin, died possibly 1896 Stettin 5. Parents of Dorothea Albertine Emilie Schaefer: Wilhelm Schaefer, died before 1896 in Stettin 6. Mother: Dorothea Rusch, died before 1896 in Stettin Thank you very much in advance. Best regards, Claudine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Veronica Malmberg" <[email protected]> To: "Robyn Waymouth" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] PRUSSIA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 4,Issue 92 Stettin Directories > The Stettin Address Book films I have are for 1866, 1874, 1876, 1878, and > 1879. If these are not too late for your family I can take a look when I > go back to the Family History Center. I didn't check the library > catalogue > to see if there are other years available. > Veronica > >> [Original Message] >> From: Robyn Waymouth <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >> Date: 4/20/2009 8:50:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] PRUSSIA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 92 > Maurermeisters >> >> Hi Veronica, >> >> I wonder where you have seen directories for Stettin. I have family >> there in the early 1800s who could well be listed - surname von >> Zaluskowski. Hope you can help. >> >> Regards, Robyn >> >> Veronica Malmberg wrote: >> > Carol, >> > My ancestor, Christian Friedrich Gottlieb LÜDKE was a master brick >> > maker >> > also. He lived in Stettin in the early 1800s. Where was your family >> > located? Various cities did have directories of residents that included >> > their occupation. I remember seeing one for Berlin and Stettin had > one. >> > The problem is unless you have an unusual surname you can't really tell > if >> > it is your ancestor. >> > Veronica >> > >> > Message: 4 >> > >> >> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:35:51 -0500 >> >> From: Carol Duff <[email protected]> >> >> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Apprentices >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed >> >> >> >> Thank you so much for the information, Sabine. My family werte master >> >> brick/tile makers in the 1600,1700s. i have never been able to find a >> >> registry for the "meisters". Does one exist? Carol >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2066 - Release Date: > 04/18/09 09:55:00 >> > >> > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4021 (20090420) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4021 (20090420) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > >

Dave - I had Schaut family there; have you seen them anywhere in Sigmaringen? Kathleen On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 1:54 PM, David Stroebel <[email protected]>wrote: > > My ancestors came from the Sigmaringen/Veringenstadt/Ostrach > Baden-Wurttemberg area when it was part of Hohenzollern. Were census' done > there from 1845-1930? > > Thank you, > > -Dave > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My ancestors came from the Sigmaringen/Veringenstadt/Ostrach Baden-Wurttemberg area when it was part of Hohenzollern. Were census' done there from 1845-1930? Thank you, -Dave

The Stettin Address Book films I have are for 1866, 1874, 1876, 1878, and 1879. If these are not too late for your family I can take a look when I go back to the Family History Center. I didn't check the library catalogue to see if there are other years available. Veronica > [Original Message] > From: Robyn Waymouth <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Date: 4/20/2009 8:50:13 PM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] PRUSSIA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 92 Maurermeisters > > Hi Veronica, > > I wonder where you have seen directories for Stettin. I have family > there in the early 1800s who could well be listed - surname von > Zaluskowski. Hope you can help. > > Regards, Robyn > > Veronica Malmberg wrote: > > Carol, > > My ancestor, Christian Friedrich Gottlieb L�DKE was a master brick maker > > also. He lived in Stettin in the early 1800s. Where was your family > > located? Various cities did have directories of residents that included > > their occupation. I remember seeing one for Berlin and Stettin had one. > > The problem is unless you have an unusual surname you can't really tell if > > it is your ancestor. > > Veronica > > > > Message: 4 > > > >> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:35:51 -0500 > >> From: Carol Duff <[email protected]> > >> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Apprentices > >> To: [email protected] > >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed > >> > >> Thank you so much for the information, Sabine. My family werte master > >> brick/tile makers in the 1600,1700s. i have never been able to find a > >> registry for the "meisters". Does one exist? Carol > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2066 - Release Date: 04/18/09 09:55:00 > > > >

Carol, My ancestor, Christian Friedrich Gottlieb L�DKE was a master brick maker also. He lived in Stettin in the early 1800s. Where was your family located? Various cities did have directories of residents that included their occupation. I remember seeing one for Berlin and Stettin had one. The problem is unless you have an unusual surname you can't really tell if it is your ancestor. Veronica Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:35:51 -0500 > From: Carol Duff <[email protected]> > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Apprentices > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed > > Thank you so much for the information, Sabine. My family werte master > brick/tile makers in the 1600,1700s. i have never been able to find a > registry for the "meisters". Does one exist? Carol > > > ------------------------------ >

Bobbie, I will be at FHL at Salt Lake City on Monday April 27th for 2 weeks. I will see what I can do. Bob Andersen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobbie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:09 AM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] 1852 CENSUS - KINGDOM OF HANOVER - AMT MARTFELD > > Does anyone have access to this microfilm from the LDS or any other > source? > I am on a very small fixed income and hope someone has access to this film > as I cannot > afford to order it thru my local LDS. > > I am looking for information on the birth of Johann Heinrich Dietgrick > Meyer of > Kleinsenborstel on 4/14/1850. He was the son of Ehler Heinrich Meyer and > Anne > Margarethe Meier. > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > Bobbie in Florissant, MO USA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sabine, Thank you for you interesting comments. Google will, after a fashion, translate those pages into English - here are the resultant links: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meisterfamilie&ei=7ALpSeKvMuDRjAfsw4n3Aw&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meisterfamilie%26hl%3Den and http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehrling&ei=DBnpSeGCLZqSjAfr89GeCg&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehrling%26hl%3Den Kind regards, Bronwyn. On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 12:20 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hallo Karl, > > unfortunately I found interesting informations for you just in German. Do > you speak or understand German? Here are good links: > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meisterfamilie > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehrling (here in the last part: Geschichte) > > Hm, and I think your impression is a little bit wrong... in German we still > have a proverb: "Lehrjahre sind keine Herrenjahre!" what simply means, that > in an apprenticeship you have nothing to laugh.. :-) It means, that these > years of training were hard, sometimes very hard, when the the family the > kids had to live with were not friendly with them. Most of these "kids" > lived for up to 7 years in the households of their (Meisterfamilie) "master > families". They got just a very little money or nothing, but food and a bed. > Mostly the "Meister" took over the custody which went so far, that they also > had the rights for corporal punishment. They had to learn everything about > profession/occupation/trade and in addition to that they mostly had to to > help in the house or family like a maid or a worker (?). At the end of these > years they had to pass the "Gesellenprüfung". Often the families of these > kids had to pay for the education (Lehrgeld). When they couldn't pay for it, > so these young people had to stay longer after finishing the apprenticeship > and passing the "Gesellenprüfung" until the payed the "Lehrgeld". > Unfortunately these informations are not that much and allthough my > grandparents also passed these years I don't have any informations about > having maybe days off they could go to there families or about money they > maybe got. But if you are interested in I can try to find out more about it, > but the translation then needs a little bit longer... :-) > > Sabine > > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: "Karl von Loewe" <[email protected]> > > Gesendet: 03.04.09 18:32:10 > > An: <[email protected]> > > Betreff: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Apprentices in West Prussia > > > > My father became an apprentice to a watch maker in Putzig, West Prussia > in 1913. He was certified by the appropriate guild in Danzig three years > later, but stayed on as an assistant for another year before leaving. I'm > curious to learn how one apprenticed at that time. Did his parents have to > pay for the training? Was it customary to live with the master (my father > was 14 when he started)? My impression is that it was a twelve-month year > of study and practice, summer vacations, etc. Any information would be > helpful. > > Thanks, > > Karl von Loewe

Bobbie In the IGI link , check out the following link and fill in all of the blanks that You can. http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true Then click search and see the over 200 names that show up. I did not find Him . Maybe if You enter His parents names , it will pick out which Johann is the one that You are searching for. I did not find that town in the " batch " numbers , or find it listed in the LDS FHC " Place " search . Karl Roussin ============================================ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobbie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 12:09 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] 1852 CENSUS - KINGDOM OF HANOVER - AMT MARTFELD > > Does anyone have access to this microfilm from the LDS or any other > source? > I am on a very small fixed income and hope someone has access to this film > as I cannot > afford to order it thru my local LDS. > > I am looking for information on the birth of Johann Heinrich Dietgrick > Meyer of > Kleinsenborstel on 4/14/1850. He was the son of Ehler Heinrich Meyer and > Anne > Margarethe Meier. > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > Bobbie in Florissant, MO USA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you so much for the information, Sabine. My family werte master brick/tile makers in the 1600,1700s. i have never been able to find a registry for the "meisters". Does one exist? Carol

Hallo Karl, unfortunately I found interesting informations for you just in German. Do you speak or understand German? Here are good links: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meisterfamilie http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehrling (here in the last part: Geschichte) Hm, and I think your impression is a little bit wrong... in German we still have a proverb: "Lehrjahre sind keine Herrenjahre!" what simply means, that in an apprenticeship you have nothing to laugh.. :-) It means, that these years of training were hard, sometimes very hard, when the the family the kids had to live with were not friendly with them. Most of these "kids" lived for up to 7 years in the households of their (Meisterfamilie) "master families". They got just a very little money or nothing, but food and a bed. Mostly the "Meister" took over the custody which went so far, that they also had the rights for corporal punishment. They had to learn everything about profession/occupation/trade and in addition to that they mostly had to to help in the house or family like a maid or a worker (?). At the end of these years they had to pass the "Gesellenprüfung". Often the families of these kids had to pay for the education (Lehrgeld). When they couldn't pay for it, so these y! oung people had to stay longer after finishing the apprenticeship and passing the "Gesellenprüfung" until the payed the "Lehrgeld". Unfortunately these informations are not that much and allthough my grandparents also passed these years I don't have any informations about having maybe days off they could go to there families or about money they maybe got. But if you are interested in I can try to find out more about it, but the translation then needs a little bit longer... :-) Sabine > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "Karl von Loewe" <[email protected]> > Gesendet: 03.04.09 18:32:10 > An: <[email protected]> > Betreff: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Apprentices in West Prussia > My father became an apprentice to a watch maker in Putzig, West Prussia in 1913. He was certified by the appropriate guild in Danzig three years later, but stayed on as an assistant for another year before leaving. I'm curious to learn how one apprenticed at that time. Did his parents have to pay for the training? Was it customary to live with the master (my father was 14 when he started)? My impression is that it was a twelve-month year of study and practice, summer vacations, etc. Any information would be helpful. > Thanks, > Karl von Loewe > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________ Psssst! Schon vom neuen WEB.DE MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.produkte.web.de/messenger/?did=3123

Does anyone have access to this microfilm from the LDS or any other source? I am on a very small fixed income and hope someone has access to this film as I cannot afford to order it thru my local LDS. I am looking for information on the birth of Johann Heinrich Dietgrick Meyer of Kleinsenborstel on 4/14/1850. He was the son of Ehler Heinrich Meyer and Anne Margarethe Meier. Thanks for any suggestions. Bobbie in Florissant, MO USA

I have to say, I'm really appreciative of the work done my others online. I certainly don't take it, but I refer to it as a source to give me clues. As a beginner it's been invaluable but I DO wait until I've proven the link myself. It has caused trouble too. I've seen 10 family trees online with my ancestor Johann Carl Liebich who came to Australia on the Sophia. All the trees state his father as Wilhelm Liebich who arrived 3 years earlier on the La Rochelle but I am yet to confirm this relationship myself so I'm refusing to add Wilhelm to my tree for now. When I first started I put EVERYTHING online including the death certificates etc I purchased. I'm now working offline but will continue to add names (without the proof) to my online tree for others to refer to in future. I'm blown away by how lazy some people are though. Name collecting at ancestry.com seems to be out of control and it's funny when you look at a tree and see the same person added in 3 times with three different mothers cause they've just added willy-nilly. What a waste of time and how unrewarding it must be. Rae

I respectfully disagree- the worst thing is to be ignored, if you are a person or an entity like info! My own tree is posted in > 1 web site. My Great-Grandfather's history was taken, twisted, and distorted by a historian named Michelle, who insists he married a woman before he married my Great Grandmother. Now, I have proof of my G-Grandparents' marriage, she does not. So what? Maybe in Germany before the Franco-Prussian War, he did marry. But the child this Michelle claims as a product of that marriage is clearly in my own lineage, and I have PROOF from Philadelphia Archdiocesan records. The key is sources and proof, as we all know. Without them, and good quality ones at that, a whole tree loses validity. So folks can take anything they wish from me- i want to shout my ancestry from the rooftops! I need more, not less discussion on my ancestors. Livy in sunny NJ On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Ann Hearin <[email protected]> wrote: > > I agree, misinformation is worse than no information at all. > > > > Same here. > > > > I have queries out there - but no where have I submitted my "whole" > family > > tree - > > > > I have had bad experiences with people taking my stuff and entering it - > and > > not entering it correctly. > > > > I learned of grandchildren I do not have - and learned things about my > > grandparents and parents that are not true. All out there on the web for > > everyone to see and finding no way to correct it. And as for the validity > of > > their claims - my father knows where he was born much more so than my > > mother's mother's third cousin's second wife! Believe me! > > > > I have had to ask people to remove information on living people - some do > > some don't. > > > > Am I mean and selfish? > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Rae, and others, I think I was probably very fortunate that the first (and almost only) reference I found online to any of my family was quite brief, not in gedcom format, and hopelessly inaccurate with generational slips caused by duplicated names. It immediately became clear that here was a good lead (information from a will), but the information as a whole needed to be kept well separate from my own research. I'll happily share the results of my research with those who are interested, usually in the form of family trees or reports. I have enough problems with dulpicated individuals (mostly arising from wildly fluctuating surname spelling the person's lifetime) not to desire to increase them with attempting file merges. My small transcription contribution to the Poznan Marriages Project has made me aware of how difficult it is to read old records with names that are not in one's own ancestry, and appreciate what a wonderful resource such databases are in helping locate family records. I don't wish to return to preInternet days - I have made far too many wonderful contacts I would otherwise have had no hope of meeting. However for the non-dedicated genealogist it is possible to assemble some kind of 'impressive' family tree with minimal effort. Hey - this perhaps keeps a lot of folk happy, and those who understand how research should be done can keep beavering away in the background? It can be almost impossible to convince a 'name-collector' that they need to at the very least check and verify sources. Rae, you mention some very familiar ships :) My ancestors were from around Bomst (now Babimost). Bronwyn. On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 2:05 AM, Rae Harvey <[email protected]> wrote: > I have to say, I'm really appreciative of the work done my others online. I > certainly don't take it, but I refer to it as a source to give me clues. As > a beginner it's been invaluable but I DO wait until I've proven the link > myself. It has caused trouble too. I've seen 10 family trees online with my > ancestor Johann Carl Liebich who came to Australia on the Sophia. All the > trees state his father as Wilhelm Liebich who arrived 3 years earlier on > the > La Rochelle but I am yet to confirm this relationship myself so I'm > refusing > to add Wilhelm to my tree for now. > > When I first started I put EVERYTHING online including the death > certificates etc I purchased. I'm now working offline but will continue to > add names (without the proof) to my online tree for others to refer to in > future. > > I'm blown away by how lazy some people are though. Name collecting at > ancestry.com seems to be out of control and it's funny when you look at a > tree and see the same person added in 3 times with three different mothers > cause they've just added willy-nilly. What a waste of time and how > unrewarding it must be. Rae > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >