Thank you to everyone who has responed to my query!!  The original genealogy that my great-great aunt did is Typewritten!!  -  so no mistaking the spelling ( and she spelled it that way several times.)  I think Paul is correct - she spelled it as she heard it and given that she was typing could not put in the correct German letters.    I will use the variants give in all your responses and see what I can find about her.   Thanks again --   Cindy   --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Sheila Kapella <[email protected]> wrote: From: Sheila Kapella <[email protected]> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] LOIWE To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 11:42 AM Cindy:  Also check Family Search.  A couple of Loiwe (and other variants) there.  Sheila K. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Cindy, This is a tough one. The surname Löwe/Loewe is my suggestion. Instead of just giving you the fish, I show you how to fish so others who read this may use the same techniques with their surname mysteries. V in German is pronounced like F so be sure to try F in place of V. W in German is pronounced like V in English so given that a German speaking person was telling an English speaking person her details, the V could very well be a W in the German spelling. OE is a common English (and even German) way to substitute for an umlauted O (an O with two dots above it) The letter I in this position would be very unusual and probably is just plain wrong for the German spelling. I tried several combinations in the German surname mapping site Geogen ( http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/en/Default.aspx ) but got nowhere. Soundex (a system for recording names that ignores vowels and groups consonants by similar sounds) would be helpful. The online German phonebook (millions of current German surnames) has a feature that will take your entry and, if you check the "similarities" box in the expanded search page, will give you what its search engine (using a type of Soundex slanted toward German phonetics) thinks are similar names. To do this yourself, go to http://www.infobel.com/en/world/Teldir.aspx?url=http://www.dastelefonbuch.de/ and select English and then expanded search. Assuming the letter I is just plain out of place, I entered LOVE for the surname and checked the similarities box. Bingo, Löwe (or Loewe) came up as a major possibility. The word Löwe, by the way, means lion in German. Taking that name back to Geogen, I see it has over 2,000 modern listings as a surname and is spread all over Germany. I think anyone who knows English spelling and German phonetics would agree that Löwe is an excellent candidate for your target surname. Remember that even the Germans might spell it Loewe. The name would be pronounced approximately as the word for window blinds Louvres without the r or the s. The addition of the letter I was the writer's attempt to spell a sound we just don't use in English. Go back to the word Louvres. Drop the s. Drop the r. You've got Louve. To change the first vowel sound represented by OU to the proper German sound which was OE (umlauted O), you must make an O sound with your lips pursed (tight little O) but do no allow it to become a dipthong (two vowels). To account for this, I believe the writer added the letter I. Remember the final e is pronounced something like A. This suggests to me that your writer/informant (the great-great aunt) knew something about German spelling because she, in fact, came quite close to the correct spelling if you drop the I and change the V to W. Hope this puts you on the right track. Paul near Portland -------------------------------------------------- From: "Cindy Drage" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 7:04 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Surname help > Hello - > > I am new to this list and am hoping someone is familiar with a surname I > have in my family. My great-great Aunt Lena KRANZ wrote up a short > genealogy of her parents. The information was given to her by her mother, > Augusta Wilhelmina to write down. Augusta gave her maiden name as LOEIVE. > I have never been able to find this surname in any database. Has any one > ever heard of this name? > > Cindy Drage

Bob -   Thank you for the help.  Although I have been researching my other families for years, I have just been starting to get into the Prussian part of my family.   I can use all the help I can get!   Cindy --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Robert Lipprandt <[email protected]> wrote: From: Robert Lipprandt <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Surname help To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 10:33 AM L[oe]ive = ö Cindy. It may be written as Löive (alt + 148 from the keypad) or something similar. Bob~~ ------------- Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Surname help Hello - I am new to this list and am hoping someone is familiar with a surname I have in my family. My great-great Aunt Lena KRANZ wrote up a short genealogy of her parents. The information was given to her by her mother, Augusta Wilhelmina to write down. Augusta gave her maiden name as LOEIVE. I have never been able to find this surname in any database. Has any one ever heard of this name? Cindy Drage ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Can you all help me to understand how to use the wild card method in doing a search? Some of the German sites say to use them. As the Bengschs and Brussats are still hiding from me i need all the help i can get. Thanks Darlene

Hello -   I am new to this list and am hoping someone is familiar with a surname I have in my family.   My great-great Aunt Lena KRANZ wrote up a short genealogy of her parents.  The information was given to her by her mother, Augusta Wilhelmina to write down. Augusta gave her maiden name as LOEIVE.  I have never been able to find this surname in any database.  Has any one ever heard of this name?   Cindy Drage

Hi, Kay, I have some relatives from Bur in (?) Osnabruck. Voth (with an umlaut), Telthoester (various spellings) and there are Lindemanns who I think are related somehow. I haven't had time lately to do much research. I know the Voths were first in the Cleveland area and then moved to Carver County, MN, where the other families were. Some Lindemanns are buried at Zion Lutheran Church in western Carver County. Deb Stapek ----- Original Message ----- Subject: PRUSSIA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 118 > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:55:15 -0700 (PDT) > From: Kay Wood <[email protected]> > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Lindemann and Oberschmidt > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I am trying to find my relatives that came from Hannover.? They were > supposedly from Osnabruck.? The mother is Eliza Jane Lindemann and her son > is Henry Herman Obersmith (here in the US).? Henry was born in 1842 (in > Germany) and in the 1850 US Census (Missouri) he was with Henry and Maria > Lindemann.? They are old enough to be his grandparents, but I don't know > if they are.? His mother had remarried and was having a baby that summer.? > Is anyone researching this line or have any information to help me in my > search?? I know very little else. > > Thank You > Kay Wood > > > > > > ------------------------------

I found Henry in numerous census records (transcriptions always suspect - but looks good) and I left messages for two people who are researching him and his family to contact you. One is in Colorado, the other in Missouri.. He was born 16 August 1842 Hanover, married 2 August 1872 in Lincoln, MO to Miss Maggie Park, died 20 December 1930 on Bellflower Road, Montgomery Co., MO apparently living with daughter Eliza and her husband Louie K. Ordelhide? In 1920 Henry and Margaret were living with Roger O'Leary, grandson, 13 (father from Ireland, mother from Missouri). His full name may be Henry Herman August Obersmith. He was naturalized - look for those papers, plus military, plus burial and church. Maggie had 7 children, 5 survived. You will need to find his village in Osnabrueck in his U.S. records - if the two people researching him don't already have it. Hope they do! Maureen In a message dated 6/1/2009 3:02:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I am trying to find my relatives that came from Hannover. They were supposedly from Osnabruck. The mother is Eliza Jane Lindemann and her son is Henry Herman Obersmith (here in the US). Henry was born in 1842 (in Germany) and in the 1850 US Census (Missouri) he was with Henry and Maria Lindemann. They are old enough to be his grandparents, but I don't know if they are. His mother had remarried and was having a baby that summer. Is anyone researching this line or have any information to help me in my search? I know very little else. Thank You Kay Wood ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml cntnew00000007)

I am trying to find my relatives that came from Hannover.  They were supposedly from Osnabruck.  The mother is Eliza Jane Lindemann and her son is Henry Herman Obersmith (here in the US).  Henry was born in 1842 (in Germany) and in the 1850 US Census (Missouri) he was with Henry and Maria Lindemann.  They are old enough to be his grandparents, but I don't know if they are.  His mother had remarried and was having a baby that summer.  Is anyone researching this line or have any information to help me in my search?  I know very little else. Thank You Kay Wood

Pat, The Germans in Volhynia started to arrive there in the late 1860s. When the Czar freed the serfs, the land owners started looking for tenant German farmers to replace the serfs. Most of the Germans came from what was then Congress Poland, also known as Russian Poland. My gf's mothers family came from Danzig. Danzig was part of either East Prussia or West Prussia; I promptly forget which. Many people in Congress Poland had Polish last names but were ethnic Germans. Thanks, John Mansfield Pennsburg, PA 18073 Semper Fidelis -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jackie Boyd Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Kruger/Sieraf and Koslowsk/JezerkowskafamiliesOWP John, my grandmother was Catholic but she spoke German and considered herself German. My grandfather Friedrich Kruger was Lutheran. As you can tell by my name I am half Irish. What a mixture! Did your family ever reside in the West-East Prussia area? How long had they been in Russia. I am just now learning about my grandparents homeland and its history so anything you could tell me would be very interesting. Have a great day, Pat Doran ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Mansfield" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Kruger/Sieraf and Koslowsk/Jezerkowska familiesOWP > My gf was born Peter Benerick Koslowski in 1900 near Zitomer, Volhynia, > Russia. The family was German Lutheran and migrated to Michigan in 1904. > > Some Koslowski families are Polish Catholic and some are German Lutheran. > Which are your? > > Thanks, > > > > John Mansfield > Pennsburg, PA 18073 > Semper Fidelis > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jackie Boyd > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:35 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Kruger/Sieraf and Koslowsk/Jezerkowska families > OWP > > Hello, grandfather Friedrich Kruger, born July17, 1886 in Petersdorf > region > of Strasburg near Bischofswerder. Father was August Kruger and mother was > Auguste Sieraf(also spelled Siraf or Siraff). My grandmother Monika > Koslowski was born Nov 30 1904 in Portschweiten in region of Stuhm near > Marienwerder. Father was Anton Koslowski and mother was Katarzyna > Jezerkowska(also spelled Jezierkowska). Both emigrated to America. > Friedrich > in 1912 and Monika in 1926. Were married in Atlantic City, N.J. Looking > for > family. > > Pat Doran > Brigantine, N.J. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I've been researching the life of a former zither player, composer and music teacher from Philadelphia. Originally from Prussia, Philip Louis Brachet became a naturalized citizen of the US in 1860 and resided in Philadelphia until his passing in 1889. For those interested, I've written a short biography on him that is now posted at the following address: http://www.zither.us/?q=philip.louis.brachet I'm hoping to discover more about this zither player from Prussia. If anyone could offer resources that may provide additional insight into the life of Philip Brachet, it would be greatly appreciated. Additionally, if you've had an ancestor who was a zither player and would like to share their story, I'd be very interested in learning more. best regards, David Kyger www.zither.us

John, my grandmother was Catholic but she spoke German and considered herself German. My grandfather Friedrich Kruger was Lutheran. As you can tell by my name I am half Irish. What a mixture! Did your family ever reside in the West-East Prussia area? How long had they been in Russia. I am just now learning about my grandparents homeland and its history so anything you could tell me would be very interesting. Have a great day, Pat Doran ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Mansfield" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Kruger/Sieraf and Koslowsk/Jezerkowska familiesOWP > My gf was born Peter Benerick Koslowski in 1900 near Zitomer, Volhynia, > Russia. The family was German Lutheran and migrated to Michigan in 1904. > > Some Koslowski families are Polish Catholic and some are German Lutheran. > Which are your? > > Thanks, > > > > John Mansfield > Pennsburg, PA 18073 > Semper Fidelis > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jackie Boyd > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:35 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Kruger/Sieraf and Koslowsk/Jezerkowska families > OWP > > Hello, grandfather Friedrich Kruger, born July17, 1886 in Petersdorf > region > of Strasburg near Bischofswerder. Father was August Kruger and mother was > Auguste Sieraf(also spelled Siraf or Siraff). My grandmother Monika > Koslowski was born Nov 30 1904 in Portschweiten in region of Stuhm near > Marienwerder. Father was Anton Koslowski and mother was Katarzyna > Jezerkowska(also spelled Jezierkowska). Both emigrated to America. > Friedrich > in 1912 and Monika in 1926. Were married in Atlantic City, N.J. Looking > for > family. > > Pat Doran > Brigantine, N.J. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My gf was born Peter Benerick Koslowski in 1900 near Zitomer, Volhynia, Russia. The family was German Lutheran and migrated to Michigan in 1904. Some Koslowski families are Polish Catholic and some are German Lutheran. Which are your? Thanks, John Mansfield Pennsburg, PA 18073 Semper Fidelis -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jackie Boyd Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Kruger/Sieraf and Koslowsk/Jezerkowska families OWP Hello, grandfather Friedrich Kruger, born July17, 1886 in Petersdorf region of Strasburg near Bischofswerder. Father was August Kruger and mother was Auguste Sieraf(also spelled Siraf or Siraff). My grandmother Monika Koslowski was born Nov 30 1904 in Portschweiten in region of Stuhm near Marienwerder. Father was Anton Koslowski and mother was Katarzyna Jezerkowska(also spelled Jezierkowska). Both emigrated to America. Friedrich in 1912 and Monika in 1926. Were married in Atlantic City, N.J. Looking for family. Pat Doran Brigantine, N.J. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, grandfather Friedrich Kruger, born July17, 1886 in Petersdorf region of Strasburg near Bischofswerder. Father was August Kruger and mother was Auguste Sieraf(also spelled Siraf or Siraff). My grandmother Monika Koslowski was born Nov 30 1904 in Portschweiten in region of Stuhm near Marienwerder. Father was Anton Koslowski and mother was Katarzyna Jezerkowska(also spelled Jezierkowska). Both emigrated to America. Friedrich in 1912 and Monika in 1926. Were married in Atlantic City, N.J. Looking for family. Pat Doran Brigantine, N.J.

Karen, and others, You might also like to take a look at 'Historical Atlas of East Central Europe' by Paul Magocsi. Bronwyn. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Karen C <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello, > > Since my knowledge of history was critically lacking, I purchased the > "Oxford Atlas of World History, Concise Edition" which has been extremely > helpful. > > Hope this helps. > > Karen > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: David Armstrong <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:56:22 PM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] German/Prussian military query > > G'day David, > > The Federation of East European Family History Societies (Feefhs) < > www.feefhs.org > has a "map room". One of their maps is "East Prussia > 1882" < > http://www.feefhs.org/maplibrary/german/ge-eprus.html > which will help > you. > > After the First World War, East Prussia was separated from the rest of > Germany by the "Polish Corridor" which gave Poland access to the Baltic. > After the Second World War, East Prussia was divided between Poland which > took the south-western half and the Soviet Union (now the Russian Republic) > which took the north-eastern half. The old provincial capital of Königsberg > was renamed Kaliningrad by the Russians. > > Hope this helps > > David Armstrong > Maylands, > Western Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Stroebel > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:40 AM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] German/Prussian military query > > > > Google maps showed me that it was near Hamburg. Is this right? > > Dave > > --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Sheila Kapella <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Sheila Kapella <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] German/Prussian military query > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 10:27 AM > > David: > > Germany did not exist in 1860. Prior to 1871 the area > > comprising what we > > call Germany was made up of numerous countries/areas - > > Prussia, East > > Prussia, Baden, Bavaria, to name a few. Probably your > > source is referring > > to the area known as East Prussia which would cover parts > > of what is now > > Poland, Russia and other eastern areas. Too > > complicated to give a short > > answer. I'm sure you can find maps for the various > > time periods including > > 1860. > > Sheila K. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Bronwyn!   ________________________________ From: Bronwyn Klimach <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:50:07 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] German/Prussian military query Karen, and others, You might also like to take a look at 'Historical Atlas of East Central Europe' by Paul Magocsi. Bronwyn. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Karen C <[email protected]> wrote:

Hello, Since my knowledge of history was critically lacking, I purchased the "Oxford Atlas of World History, Concise Edition" which has been extremely helpful.  Hope this helps. Karen   ________________________________ From: David Armstrong <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:56:22 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] German/Prussian military query G'day David, The Federation of East European Family History Societies (Feefhs) < www.feefhs.org > has a "map room".  One of their maps is "East Prussia 1882"  < http://www.feefhs.org/maplibrary/german/ge-eprus.html > which will help you. After the First World War, East Prussia was separated from the rest of Germany by the "Polish Corridor" which gave Poland access to the Baltic.  After the Second World War, East Prussia was divided between Poland which took the south-western half and the Soviet Union (now the Russian Republic) which took the north-eastern half.  The old provincial capital of Königsberg was renamed Kaliningrad by the Russians. Hope this helps David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia   ----- Original Message -----   From: David Stroebel   To: [email protected]   Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:40 AM   Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] German/Prussian military query   Google maps showed me that it was near Hamburg. Is this right?   Dave   --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Sheila Kapella <[email protected]> wrote:   > From: Sheila Kapella <[email protected]>   > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] German/Prussian military query   > To: [email protected]   > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 10:27 AM   > David:   > Germany did not exist in 1860. Prior to 1871 the area   > comprising what we   > call Germany was made up of numerous countries/areas -   > Prussia, East   > Prussia, Baden, Bavaria, to name a few. Probably your   > source is referring   > to the area known as East Prussia which would cover parts   > of what is now   > Poland, Russia and other eastern areas. Too   > complicated to give a short   > answer. I'm sure you can find maps for the various   > time periods including   > 1860.   > Sheila K. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Looking for any information on Francis Henry Boeckelmann b. 24 Oct. 1912 Oster Cappeln, Osnabrueck, Hanover, Germany (not confirmed) married to Anna Marie Schroeder b. 17 Oct 1814 Hanover, Germany about 1845 ?. Left Germany aboard ship Cerro Gordo 1853 (name of ship not confirmed) with two children Frederick Henry b. 29 July 1847 and Henry Aloysius b. 31 March 1851. Any help greatly appreciated. Thank you, Dorothy - in Illinois USA