My first request on this mailing list, so I hope it goes OK. I have been researching the HARTMANN family for some time and wonder if there is anyone else researching it, interested or who would be willing to possible look up a few requests please. I'll give as much information as possible. HARTMANN Christian Hartmann, son of Henry and mother unknown, was born 1803, Braunswick, Germany. He married Carlena Dameier, *who was the daughter of Count Dameier, a French landowner, army officer and member of the French Aristocracy and Catherine PETERS. During the French Revolution (1789-1802) it has been stated that the mother of Count Dameier , was among the many members of the nobility who were beheaded . The family escaped to Germany, where they ceased using their titles in an attempt to secure their anomnymity . In Germany they used the name of PETERS, being the maiden name of Catherine PETERS. Carlena Dameier was born in Hanover, Germany in 1807. Christian HARTMANN married Carlene (Caroline) DAMEIER about 1830, at Othresen, Hanover, Germany. They had six children. Christian worked at his trade as a saddler and harness maker and as his sons grew up he taught them his trade. Herman as a harness maker and August a saddler. The family consisting of Christian, his wife Caroline, children August & Caroline and grandson Gustav Christopher, imigrated to Australia in 1863 on board the barque ³Sophie². *oral history passed down from generation to generation MACKE Postcards and newspapers were sent to ³Othfresen², Dundee, Australia by Ch. Macke to Hermann Hartmann. It is thought he must have been a close friend. One card was of a cemetery and headstone which has Christoph Macke on the headstone and it appears to have been sent by Gustav Macke. The cards were sent around the beginning of the 1900s. Any information would be most welcome. I would think that they must have lived at Othfresen, Hannover. DIETRICH About Fritz Dietrich He came to Australia through Liverpool, England on board the "Rutlandshire" in 1873. He was naturalized in 1875 and the Certificate says he was born in Hanover, Germany. In January, 1877 he married HENRIETTA MATHES in Highfields, near Toowoomba. She was 18, he was 32. She actually had a baby in December 1876. Henrietta came to Australia when she was about 3 1/2 yrs old with her family, from Neumark, Prussia. About Anton Dietrich his father Another thing discovered was that Fritz's father, ANTON DIEDRICH was also here in Australia. I only knew his name from Fritz's marriage certificate. Anton came to Australia in 1856 and lived and died in Dundee. He died in 1875 and is buried in the Dundee Cemetery. He is described as a shepherd and also owned some land at Severn which he left to Fritz. He was on the shipping list of the "Johann Caesar" - he was aged 39, from Hanover and seemed to be travelling alone although information from Glen Innes said he was married in Germany and his wife was Elizabeth Krinner. On the other hand, on Fritz's marriage certificate he says hisfather was Anton Diedrichs and his mother was Elizabeth Jerome. Thanking you, Joyce Bryant from Australia

I have been researching Hartmann in Prussia, Silesia 1700 to 1900 for many years.My grandfather came ftom there with his family in 1881 to Austin,Texas. Thanks,Cheri Estes,Corpus Christi,Tx. -----Original Message----- From: Joyce Bryant <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:35 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] HARTMANN / MACKE / DIETRICH My first request on this mailing list, so I hope it goes OK. I have been researching the HARTMANN family for some time and wonder if there is anyone else researching it, interested or who would be willing to possible look up a few requests please. I'll give as much information as possible. HARTMANN Christian Hartmann, son of Henry and mother unknown, was born 1803, Braunswick, Germany. He married Carlena Dameier, *who was the daughter of Count Dameier, a French landowner, army officer and member of the French Aristocracy and Catherine PETERS. During the French Revolution (1789-1802) it has been stated that the mother of Count Dameier , was among the many members of the nobility who were beheaded . The family escaped to Germany, where they ceased using their titles in an attempt to secure their anomnymity . In Germany they used the name of PETERS, being the maiden name of Catherine PETERS. Carlena Dameier was born in Hanover, Germany in 1807. Christian HARTMANN married Carlene (Caroline) DAMEIER about 1830, at Othresen, Hanover, Germany. They had six children. Christian worked at his trade as a saddler and harness maker and as his sons grew up he taught them his trade. Herman as a harness maker and August a saddler. The family consisting of Christian, his wife Caroline, children August & Caroline and grandson Gustav Christopher, imigrated to Australia in 1863 on board the barque ³Sophie². *oral history passed down from generation to generation MACKE Postcards and newspapers were sent to ³Othfresen², Dundee, Australia by Ch. Macke to Hermann Hartmann. It is thought he must have been a close friend. One card was of a cemetery and headstone which has Christoph Macke on the headstone and it appears to have been sent by Gustav Macke. The cards were sent around the beginning of the 1900s. Any information would be most welcome. I would think that they must have lived at Othfresen, Hannover. DIETRICH About Fritz Dietrich He came to Australia throu [The entire original message is not included]

Try Hermeskeil, Trier. In a message dated 7/29/2009 3:04:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: On a passport application, in the 1890s, a clerk recorded that an ancestor said he was born in (something like) "HANUSKEIL, TRIER, PRUSSIA". I have searched all over to try to find what town he may have meant, but to no avail. Does anyone have an idea of where it was, or if it has changed and what its modern name is? Thanks so much, Kathy Thought for the Day: "Anyone who stops learning is old, whether at 20 or 80. Anyone who keeps learning stays young. The greatest thing in life is to keep your mind young.--Henry Ford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Hot Deals at Dell on Popular Laptops perfect for Back to School (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223106546x1201717234/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D8)

I am trying to find more information about Ben Huber, born 12 Feb 1887, Whilenstal, Russia whose father was Philipp, mother unknown. I would like to correspond with anyone who might know more about this person and his family. Ben immigrated to the US and lived and died in Montana. Helen

On a passport application, in the 1890s,  a clerk recorded that an ancestor said he was born in (something like) "HANUSKEIL, TRIER, PRUSSIA". I have searched all over to try to find what town he may have meant, but to no avail.  Does anyone have an idea of where it was, or if it has changed and what its modern name is? Thanks so much, Kathy   Thought for the Day: "Anyone who stops learning is old, whether at 20 or 80. Anyone who keeps learning stays young. The greatest thing in life is to keep your mind young.--Henry Ford

I have been researching my family history for a number of years. My great grandparents, Wilhelm Adolph and Pauline Gottliebe (Sprotte) Gallus married in Sommerfeld, Prussia in October 1845. They left Hamburg, under the name of Padel for some reason, aboard the Dockenhuden in December 1848, arrived Melbourne, Australia in April 1849. While I can find records of Gallus' in Sommerfeld through the 19th century I cannot find any record of my family nor any link with any other family of Gallus'. Recently, in Familysearch, I came across Wilhelm Gallus, b. 1825, Sommerfeld, married Louise Balske, b. 1827, Sommerfeld. Wilhelm & Louise had a son Wilhelm, b. 1851 Sommerfeld who married Caroline Ronning, b. 1868, Sommerfeld. Her parents were Gottfried and Marie (Kramke). It would seem very likely that these Gallus families would be related and I wonder if anyone has done any research into any of these families. With all fingers crossed, Geoff Gallus

Morgan: I saw this Family name on another German group site, it is called _www.dvhh.com_ (http://www.dvhh.com) and you can look and post a inquiry there too. They are great people just like the prussia group here and will help out too. Good luck! Kathy In a message dated 7/28/2009 2:45:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Thank you everyone who responded to my inquiry about German naming patterns. I'm just trying to discover every little tidbit that may help me learn about my SCHMITT family. I'm almost under the impression that they don't want to be found, of their lives in Prussia. Any records I can find on my line states nothing to where they came from. Only my g-grandfathers 1920/1930? census stated Berlin as his mothers birth place. Oh, well. Thanks again. Morgan EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Hot Deals at Dell on Popular Laptops perfect for Back to School (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223106546x1201717234/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D8)

G'day Morgan, It would greatly help your quest if you gave some detail, such as the year, and what records you have that say they came from Berlin, but sailed from Rotterdam. Was it before or after the construction of railways (mid 19th century)? Is Rotterdam listed as the last port of call in Europe or the only one in the records you've seen? Some ships sailed from Hamburg and then made other calls sailing down the Channel, at places such as Southampton, Cherbourg, Rotterdam etc. As I said, a bit of extra detail in question would greatly help in providing an informative response. David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Morgan Cole To: Prussia Mail List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 2:47 AM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Route of travel If my Schmitt' came from Berlin but, left from Rotterdam to go to the US, what was the route they took to get to Rotterdam? Water, land? Was there a specific road that they could have traveled to Rotterdam? Thanks. Morgan

Listening to this, all I can think of is: "Here's a perfect assignment for Prof. Don WATSON, who is well known to all of us on this list (and so many others)." Didn't Don at one point write: "You can spend the rest of your life" on a mailing list, discussion group, etc. or consult a pro like him. When I'm ready with enough info to present on my own GEIBEL/BOMMERSHEIM lineage, I'm going to hire Herr Prof. Don WATSON. - Livy On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:17 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Morgan - I can identify with those Prussians who "don't want to be > found", since I've been hunting one line forever! > > And I hope you do read all those extensive and extremely knowledgeable > papers written by Dr. Watson and Mr. Jensen. They will keep you off the > streets for at least a month - and you will see light bulbs going off all > the > time - guaranteed! They are fluent in the language, culture, genealogy, > computerese, and quirks. I learn from them all the time. AMEN!- Livy > > > > Maureen Schoenky > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Morgan - I can identify with those Prussians who "don't want to be found", since I've been hunting one line forever! But I really think they are just sitting there grinning at all your efforts, waiting for you to find that one little key that will open the door to a dozen generations! They are Prussian, after all! Maybe it will help to go back over your documentation, looking for anything (preferably primary sources) in writing, naturalizations, military service, wills, even something like recipes, photographs (styles of clothing) notations in local histories, schools, and especially fraternal organizations, celebrations and centennials and whatever years for churches, towns, all sorts of groups; businesses, directories, local newspapers, especially the German language ones until WW I. Stuff that isn't on line yet. Scour all the places in the U.S. where they lived. You can also write out the names and dates you are sure about on this list, (and put one of them on the subject line, so people can find you later in the archives). There are many, many histories of Prussia and Germany and the world and the US - old ones, ancient ones, new ones, each one is enlightening. And look for Schmitt in its other spellings in Prussia. Schmidt, Schmid, Smid, Smits, Schmitz., DeSmet and many more Perhaps Schmidtke - the -ke ending is a diminutive and is prevalent along the northern seas. According to Hanks & Hodges' A Dictionary of Surnames. Schmitt is a Flemish spelling. There are also outfits which will sell you the "complete Schmitt Family History" for $29.95 and are 100% scams. The same goes for "Family Crests". And I hope you do read all those extensive and extremely knowledgeable papers written by Dr. Watson and Mr. Jensen. They will keep you off the streets for at least a month - and you will see light bulbs going off all the time - guaranteed! They are fluent in the language, culture, genealogy, computerese, and quirks. I learn from them all the time. As far as what route your people may have traveled to Rotterdam, you can see on a map that is the port at the mouth of the Rhine - which of course does not go anywhere near Berlin, but perhaps was the last leg of a trip. Depends on the time frame and how much money they had - were there trains in place then? Was it summertime (more apt to travel by horsecart, or horseback, or walking). Maureen Schoenky In a message dated 7/28/2009 11:44:21 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Thank you everyone who responded to my inquiry about German naming patterns. I'm just trying to discover every little tidbit that may help me learn about my SCHMITT family. I'm almost under the impression that they don't want to be found, of their lives in Prussia. Any records I can find on my line states nothing to where they came from. Only my g-grandfathers 1920/1930? census stated Berlin as his mothers birth place. Oh, well. Thanks again. Morgan EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377107x1201454434/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115)

I am looking for any information about my family before they came to Canada.   The information I have on them is as follows:     JOHANN PAUL GREIFF  (JOSEPH1) was born 1776, and died December 17, 1858.  He married SYDONIA KAULFUß December 27, 1802 in St Nicholai church Sommerfeld Germany Evangelical.  She was born 1772, and died August 06, 1848 in at age 76 years, 9 months, 14 days.   More About JOHANN PAUL GREIFF: Info: is the left youngest son of the former citizen & master linen weaver master Joseph Greiff from Kreibitz in Böhmen Occupation: Master linenweaver   More About JOHANN GREIFF and SYDONIA KAULFUß: Marriage: December 27, 1802, St Nicholai church Sommerfeld Germany Evangelical         Child of JOHANN GREIFF and SYDONIA KAULFUß is: i.    GOTTLIEB KARL CHARLES3 GREIF, b. April 25, 1813, Sommerfeld / Crossen Brandenburg - Germany; d. December 28, 1905, Wilberforce Township.     Generation No. 2   2.  GOTTLIEB KARL CHARLES3 GREIF (JOHANN PAUL2 GREIFF, JOSEPH1) was born April 25, 1813 in Sommerfeld / Crossen Brandenburg - Germany, and died December 28, 1905 in Wilberforce Township. Ontario, Canada.  He married DOROTHEA ELISABETH SCHULTZ (could be Schulz)October 31, 1843 in Germany.  She was born January 06, 1819 in Sommerfeld / Crossen Brandenburg - Germany, and died October 02, 1905 in at con 21 lot 15 Wilberforce Township, Ontario, Canada.   More About GOTTLIEB KARL CHARLES GREIF: Age (death): 92 Burial: December 30, 1905, Grace Lutheran Cemetary Greenlake Wilberforce Township Ontario, Canada  Cause of death  -: Old age  Church: St Nicholai Kirche Sommerfeld Nieder Lausitz Evangelical Emigration: 1860, According to 1901 census Family History Library Fm: 1375871 - 1881 Immigation: 1860, Place of Origin - Sommerfeld / Crossen - Source of information - Woifert, Marion, "Brandenburg, Prussia Emigration Records , Prova UT USA Tombstone: Date of birth is 1813     More About DOROTHEA ELISABETH SCHULTZ: Age (death): 86 Burial: October 04, 1905, Grace Lutheran Cemetary Greenlake Wilberforce Township Ontario Cause of death  -: Old age - Census: 1871, Birth year is given as 1825       Thank you  

If my Schmitt' came from Berlin but, left from Rotterdam to go to the US, what was the route they took to get to Rotterdam? Water, land? Was there a specific road that they could have traveled to Rotterdam? Thanks. Morgan EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me

Thank you everyone who responded to my inquiry about German naming patterns. I'm just trying to discover every little tidbit that may help me learn about my SCHMITT family. I'm almost under the impression that they don't want to be found, of their lives in Prussia. Any records I can find on my line states nothing to where they came from. Only my g-grandfathers 1920/1930? census stated Berlin as his mothers birth place. Oh, well. Thanks again. Morgan EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me

Livy Revits wrote: > Morgan, > > Bruce GEIBEL covers this in his book "History of the GEIBEL Families." > B, M, D records he found in St. Georges Church in Limburg are for each > individual. <snip> > The author explains that the middle names (the name the person was known by) > followed their own specific naming pattern- > 1st son named after father's father, 2nd son named after father, 3rd son > named after mother's father. I have found that naming pattern to NOT be true in many of my families. So please use it only as a guide -- it may or may not always hold true in the families you are researching! Mona -- Mona Houser [email protected] http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monajo/

The ones I've seen usually have the names in full and the one by which they were known underlined. David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Morgan Cole To: Prussia Mail List Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 10:11 AM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Which name appears in records I was reading an article on naming patterns that some Germans followed. I should have thought to ask this earlier. When you did have Germans that followed naming patterns, had that "Saint" first name and then the middle was the name they were called by, when it came to BMD records, how were their names written? Did BMD records list the person by both names or by the name they were called? Many thanks. Morgan EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Since the name was given at baptism, all the names were written in that record. There might be more than 3. I have ancestors who had four, even in this country. One used his fourth name as the call name and even legal name.   One simple dropped the fourth name and it was never seen again.   If the name the person used in Germany was hard for American tongues to say, or sounded strange, they would change their call name after they were in America awhile. So German records would have one name, and American records the other name.   And some people probably just decided they liked one name better than the other, just as people have always done and still do. LaVerne, Researching BACHMANN, BOEHMKE, HEMMANN, HEINEMANN, LANDL, LINHARDT, OTTO, PIETSCHMANN, ROEHL, SEHLER, SIEVERS, TELLE, ZACHARIAE, ZEITLER

> It does help enormously to learn as much of the language, > > NOT TRUE if Roman Catholic- all records written in Latin! - Livy > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy > Steps! > ( > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823322x1201398723/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul > yExcfooterNO62<http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823322x1201398723/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul%0AyExcfooterNO62> > ) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In many, many years of doing research for Germanic people, and a fascination with names, I agree with the speaker at LDS, Veronica, especially if that was Larry O. Jensen - YES! There were numerous naming patterns, varying from place to place, and these evolved along with everything else. The Koseform or Kosename (in French, the 'dit' name, in Latin "dictus", that one usually Catholic) are often the (second, third, or fourth - or "call") names carried across the ocean alone, while what we call first names, their honorific name, after a g-father, father, etc. or a Saint or a feast day or a sign of the zodiac or in ancient times, the bold, the strong, the courageous, means we may be hunting through all those films for Georg when we need to be hunting for Joh. Georg. And I'm not expert at those old BMD records, but the only underlining I've ever seen in 30 years is for the surnames. It does help enormously to learn as much of the language, the varieties of Gothic fraktur, and that Sütterlin (and other) script and abbreviations as possible. How to get around the scribbles and inkblots and blackened copies is the really hard part! We all know we cannot rely on transcribers in any database. If any of you have not yet come across Mr. Jensen's 83 pages on familysearch.org, under help - G for Germany, scroll down to his Handbook. You can read it or print it out - it's free. He and Dr. Don Watson (_http://members.cox.net/hessen/_ (http://members.cox.net/hessen/) (also free, and enormous)- all of Germany - are the experts of the experts, very nice guys, and both have a sense of humor - and humanity. Fortunately, they are also VERY patient. Maureen Schoenky in FRYING Southern California. In a message dated 7/27/2009 5:14:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: The church records I have been going through for Pommern all have the full name listed with only the surname underlined. I asked your question at a conference recently and the speaker (from the German desk at the LDS) said there was no consistent pattern as to what the individual was actually called in daily life. Veronica > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:11:49 -0700 > From: Morgan Cole <[email protected]> > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Which name appears in records > To: Prussia Mail List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I was reading an article on naming patterns that some Germans followed. I should have thought to ask this earlier. When you did have Germans that followed naming patterns, had that "Saint" first name and then the middle was the name they were called by, when it came to BMD records, how were their names written? Did BMD records list the person by both names or by the name they were called? Many thanks. > Morgan > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:08:57 +0800 > From: "David Armstrong" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Which name appears in records > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The ones I've seen usually have the names in full and the one by which they were known underlined. > > David Armstrong > Maylands, > Western Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823322x1201398723/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62)

The church records I have been going through for Pommern all have the full name listed with only the surname underlined. I asked your question at a conference recently and the speaker (from the German desk at the LDS) said there was no consistent pattern as to what the individual was actually called in daily life. Veronica > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:11:49 -0700 > From: Morgan Cole <[email protected]> > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Which name appears in records > To: Prussia Mail List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I was reading an article on naming patterns that some Germans followed. I should have thought to ask this earlier. When you did have Germans that followed naming patterns, had that "Saint" first name and then the middle was the name they were called by, when it came to BMD records, how were their names written? Did BMD records list the person by both names or by the name they were called? Many thanks. > Morgan > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:08:57 +0800 > From: "David Armstrong" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Which name appears in records > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The ones I've seen usually have the names in full and the one by which they were known underlined. > > David Armstrong > Maylands, > Western Australia

Morgan, Bruce GEIBEL covers this in his book "History of the GEIBEL Families." B, M, D records he found in St. Georges Church in Limburg are for each individual. Bruce said a name like "Johannes" can be the 1st name for every boy in a family, followed by the name they were called, like George or Peter. "Johannes George" for 1st son, "Johannes Peter" for 2nd son, etc. The author explains that the middle names (the name the person was known by) followed their own specific naming pattern- 1st son named after father's father, 2nd son named after father, 3rd son named after mother's father. This is not only interesting, but I have found it potentially useful in finding who the Grandparents were of a large family.- Livy On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Morgan Cole <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I was reading an article on naming patterns that some Germans followed. I > should have thought to ask this earlier. When you did have Germans that > followed naming patterns, had that "Saint" first name and then the middle > was the name they were called by, when it came to BMD records, how were > their names written? Did BMD records list the person by both names or by the > name they were called? Many thanks. > > > > Morgan > > > > > > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD > Join me > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >