Carol, You mention that "some Jews in the Middle Ages joined the Christian church" They joined not only for business reasons, but to survive and escape extermination during The Inquisition. My own BOMMERSHEIM/SCHWARZ lines from Prussia and Bavaria were Jewish until converting to Catholicism. When my G-Grandfather Emil SCHWARZ came to Philadelphia, there was no "t" in his last name that could ID him as Jewish. His brothers and cousines became Catholic priests. I'm trying HARD to find the German origins of these ancestors, but until recently, there wasn't much Jewish history on-line. Now it is blossoming. Livy

Morning, Thanks to the many people who has helped me track my varsbotter family I have found out my gggrandmother was named charlotte Klatt, any one out there searching this name from Prussia? Thanks to all, Delores

Livy, What an interesting family. Sharan Newman writes a series of novels about the middle ages. The heroine's father is Christian. His brother is Jewish. Their parents were killed in one of the pogroms.It really helped me to understand some of our common roots. Perhaps I will someday get back farther than 1660 on the Kleimenhagen family. I know that two of the Jewish people were killed in the concentration camp. Part of the Jewish family also changed their name after coming to the US and are now simply Hagen. Carol

The Rosenthal's that I am looking for are Lutheran, but that doesn't mean that they are't related. I'm still looking for a connection between the Kleimenhagens from Herrenbreitungen, Hesse/Thuringia (Evangelisch Reformed) and Barchfield, Thuringia (Jewish)...only about 4 miles apart and similar occupations (master brick/tile makers of the 1600's and 1700's). The story is that one of three brothers in Barchfeld married an Esther Kleimenhagen and all three brothers took that name. But I am suspicious that their may have been more to the story. I know some Jews in the middle ages joined Christian church for the sake of business. I have never found Esther's parents either. Carol Livy Revits wrote: > Colin- > > I don't know if this will help, but the site is worth subscribing to: > > http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/faq.html > > Livy > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:23 AM, Colin Pretorius <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Good afternoon >> >> I wonder if there are any Rosenthal researchers (or people specialising in >> the history of the Liebemuhl area) on this list? If so, maybe someone can >> assist with the following query, or point me in the right direction. >> >> Louis Rosenthal (full Yiddish name Jehuda Levy Ben Gecheskel) was born on >> 14.5.1856 in Liebemuhl, Prussia. He died at Brandfort in the Orange Free >> State in South Africa on 21.6.1932. Louis' parents are not given on his >> Death Notice , but in the estate papers, his brothers and their children >> are >> listed as: >> >> Bruno - 2 children, Martin & Gerda (x Hermann) >> Emil - 2 daughters, Lucie & Eva >> Georg - 2 children, Lotte & Alfred >> Nathan - 1 child, Conrad >> >> Louis married Elizabeth Boshoff (daughter of Christoffel & Susanna Boshoff >> - >> no additional details available re these 2). In Louis' will he also makes >> provision for a daughter of his wife's first marriage - Annie Henrietta >> Randrup (married to William Frederick Williamson) >> >> >> I am trying to track down the ancestors of both Louis Rosenthal and would >> appreciate any help/information >> >> >> >> Colin >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

This is my first post. I'm trying to find anything on my great-grandfather. His name was Husar, and his name began with a G. He married my great-grandmother Louise Stelzner Gall (a widow) in Prussia. They came to the Wisconsin in the early 1900s, but I was told G. probably came under the radar. I don't know why. He travelled back and forth between America and Europe for his business and died in Germany on one of his trips. He was buried in or near a large military installation. Very vague...I know. I tried to decipher the signature on a postcard from him. I don't read or speak German. As near as I could tell from a German alphabet table, his given name could have been Godnich, Godmich, Godeich or Godwich. My dad thought his name was Gottlieb or Gottfried, but nothing showed up on any of those names. There was some talk that he could have been French. He served in the military. Any suggestions on other places I can look to find more? I've been unable to locate anything on him on LDS, Rootsweb and many other sites. Suggestions on his name would also be welcome. Thanks!Lauren GIllesMilwaukee, [email protected]

Colin- I don't know if this will help, but the site is worth subscribing to: http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/faq.html Livy On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:23 AM, Colin Pretorius <[email protected]> wrote: > Good afternoon > > I wonder if there are any Rosenthal researchers (or people specialising in > the history of the Liebemuhl area) on this list? If so, maybe someone can > assist with the following query, or point me in the right direction. > > Louis Rosenthal (full Yiddish name Jehuda Levy Ben Gecheskel) was born on > 14.5.1856 in Liebemuhl, Prussia. He died at Brandfort in the Orange Free > State in South Africa on 21.6.1932. Louis' parents are not given on his > Death Notice , but in the estate papers, his brothers and their children > are > listed as: > > Bruno - 2 children, Martin & Gerda (x Hermann) > Emil - 2 daughters, Lucie & Eva > Georg - 2 children, Lotte & Alfred > Nathan - 1 child, Conrad > > Louis married Elizabeth Boshoff (daughter of Christoffel & Susanna Boshoff > - > no additional details available re these 2). In Louis' will he also makes > provision for a daughter of his wife's first marriage - Annie Henrietta > Randrup (married to William Frederick Williamson) > > > I am trying to track down the ancestors of both Louis Rosenthal and would > appreciate any help/information > > > > Colin > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My German Catholic ancestors of the 1800's who lived in the area south of Cologne and west of Bonn were always given the name of their godparent of the same sex. The records were written in Latin, in German script. Ethel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lipprandt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] name query Just to add Cathy... Most German/Prussian families were baptized with three to four 'given' names. Only the baptismal records will indicate these. In Catholic families, usually named after saints that their parents, grandparents etc. so the name will appear and keep reappearing. Dates are very important! In Protestant/Lutheran families, could have been given saint names but most likely the names of witnesses or a favorite relative/ancestor at the baptismal event. Throw out the window the idea that just because a name came first on the baptismal registry, does not mean the child much cared for it and may have used one of the others... and then changed their mind when they aged. Then.... throw in nick names! Just to add to your search, Gustav would most likely be spelled as Gustaw because of the pronunciation of 'v' and 'w.' Or Gustave... Carl could also be Karl or the English version Charles. A bevy of choices, that's for sure. Bob~~ ------------------ Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] name query Thankyou David, for your comments I realize that August is not a true translation of Gustav, but in my case my great-grandfather seemed to have used both names. Nicknames are chosen sometimes for ease of use, or otherwise to help people blend into a new country. My great-grandfather's name was Gustav Carl, but he often went by August. I'm sure my Otto had another first name, but I have yet to determine what it was Cathy in Canada Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] name query Cathy, My British born, ethnically German maternal grandfather changed his name from Otto August Wilhelm Kunde to Oswald Arthur William Cundy during the Great War. (Cundy being an ancient Anglo-Saxon name that reflects the English pronunciation of Kunde). You say that "Gustav was August when he came to (the) United States". There is a straight forward English equivalent of August and that is Augustus. So your Gustav was probably "August Gustav", August being his first given name and Gustav a middle name by which he went in everyday life, a common practice with Germans. (My Grandfather was known as "Bill" from his third given name). I should add that August and Gustav are entirely separate names, August coming from Cæsar Augustus (after whom the month is named in the Julian calendar), and Gustav having a Germanic origin. So it could be that Otto was a middle given name, not the first given name of your great uncle. David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Cathy Hawinkels To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] name query Greetings all I am trying to find a great-uncle by the name of Otto Feldkamp who homesteaded in Alberta after emigrating from Germany. There is no sign of him so far, even in Canadian census. My question is what other name would an Otto be named. For example, Gustav was August when he came to United States. Thankyou, Cathy, in Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Eastern Daylight Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Hi Shiela: >> >> He was naturalized in Boston. He died in 1908 in Brockton, MA. I >> have >> checked all censi and records here in MA. All that I have >> ascertained >> is the information I have mentioned in my posts. I am really >> looking >> for how to find information about him in Prussia, e.g., where would >> be >> a good place to look for records if I think he was born in Stettin? >> What if I do not find the name Wormell in any records, could it >> have >> sounded like Wormell but be spelled differantly? >> >> Basically, I have exhausted all leads on this side of the Atlantic >> and >> need help of how to resume the search, based on the information I >> do >> have, from the sources here. >> >> Thanks >> >> JIm >> >> On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:54 PM, Sheila Kapella wrote: >> >>> Jim: Where was he naturalized? Do you know where and when he >>> died? Have >>> you found him in all available census records? Sheila K. >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Jim <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> According to my great grandfather's naturalization papers, he >>>> arrived >>>> in Boston, from Prussia, on 29 FEB 1856. He was 15 years old. >>>> Family >>>> story says he worked his way over from Germany as a cabin boy >>>> on a >>>> ship. He never spoke about the "old country". My father said he >>>> thought his grandfather came from Essen or Stettin. In looking >>>> at a >>>> map of Prussia of 1850, Essen was not part of Prussia so it >>>> appears >>>> that Stettin, now Szczecin, Poland, is possibly a starting point >>>> for >>>> my research. >>>> >>>> This is my last line and brick wall of my tree which I have been >>>> researching for 40 years. 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try [email protected]_ (http://[email protected]) or email could be [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) Kathy In a message dated 8/3/2009 9:58:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hello Kathy - That site you gave me www.dvhh.com was a site to establish a domain name. It happened that my mail program thought the email you sent to me directly was junk. Perhaps you mistyped the site you wanted me to visit. Thanks, Jim On Aug 3, 2009, at 9:37 AM, [email protected] wrote: > I would try and get a copy of his death notice that might of been in a > newspaper, and if a funeral home was used I would contact them and > see if they > have any different info. Kathy in NJ > > > In a message dated 8/2/2009 10:45:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Hi Shiela: > > He was naturalized in Boston. He died in 1908 in Brockton, MA. I have > checked all censi and records here in MA. All that I have > ascertained > is the information I have mentioned in my posts. I am really looking > for how to find information about him in Prussia, e.g., where would > be > a good place to look for records if I think he was born in Stettin? > What if I do not find the name Wormell in any records, could it have > sounded like Wormell but be spelled differantly? > > Basically, I have exhausted all leads on this side of the Atlantic > and > need help of how to resume the search, based on the information I do > have, from the sources here. > > Thanks > > JIm > > On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:54 PM, Sheila Kapella wrote: > >> Jim: Where was he naturalized? Do you know where and when he >> died? Have >> you found him in all available census records? Sheila K. >> >> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Jim <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> According to my great grandfather's naturalization papers, he >>> arrived >>> in Boston, from Prussia, on 29 FEB 1856. He was 15 years old. >>> Family >>> story says he worked his way over from Germany as a cabin boy on a >>> ship. He never spoke about the "old country". My father said he >>> thought his grandfather came from Essen or Stettin. In looking at a >>> map of Prussia of 1850, Essen was not part of Prussia so it appears >>> that Stettin, now Szczecin, Poland, is possibly a starting point >>> for >>> my research. >>> >>> This is my last line and brick wall of my tree which I have been >>> researching for 40 years. I have only come across WORMELL as an >>> English name and any records I have seen for Germany/Prussia do not >>> show the name. >>> >>> If anyone can point me in the right direction as to where to start >>> based on this information, it would be greatly appreciated. I have >>> gone so far as taking a long shot and joining the Germany DNA group >>> to >>> have have my DNA tested, in hopes that there might be a match. No >>> 37 >>> marker matches. >>> >>> Interestlingly, the both witnesses on his naturalization papers >>> were >>> from Denmark. Both worked in shipping industry...one as a captain, >>> the >>> other as the owner of a "employment agency" for the shipping >>> industry. >>> Both also lived near him in East Boston. My great grandfather was a >>> sea captain. >>> >>> Thank you, Jim Wormelle ("e" added on early 1900's) >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just > 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx > ?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd > =JulystepsfooterNO115) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115)

The boy's name Otto \o(t)-to\ is pronounced AW-toh. It is of Old German origin, and its meaning is "wealth". Common in English-speaking countries until Otto von Bismarck's German armies became threateningly powerful in the early 20th century. Ottone is the Italian form. Otto has 10 variant forms: Odis, Odo, Ot, Ota, Otha, Othello, Otho, Ottis, Ottone and Otys. For more information, see also the related name Autha. Baby names that sound like Otto are Adao, Ado, Witt, Ido, Iddo, Itai, Ittai, Jeth, Jet, Jette, Jett, Odie, Udo, Wat and Watt. Otto is a popular male first name and a very popular surname (source: 1990 U.S. Census). Displayed below is the baby name popularity trend for the boy's name Otto. Compare Otto with related baby names. Name   "Otto" here is a webside was gives you the meaning of the name OTTO   The boy's name Otto \o(t)-to\ is pronounced AW-toh. It is of Old German origin, and its meaning is "wealth". Common in English-speaking countries until Otto von Bismarck's German armies became threateningly powerful in the early 20th century. Ottone is the Italian form. Otto has 10 variant forms: Odis, Odo, Ot, Ota, Otha, Othello, Otho, Ottis, Ottone and Otys. For more information, see also the related name Autha. Baby names that sound like Otto are Adao, Ado, Witt, Ido, Iddo, Itai, Ittai, Jeth, Jet, Jette, Jett, Odie, Udo, Wat and Watt. Otto is a popular male first name and a very popular surname (source: 1990 U.S. Census). Displayed below is the baby name popularity trend for the boy's name Otto. Compare Otto with related baby names.   http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/1/Otto Have a nice day   Katharina Hines-Selmer

Just to add Cathy... Most German/Prussian families were baptized with three to four 'given' names. Only the baptismal records will indicate these. In Catholic families, usually named after saints that their parents, grandparents etc. so the name will appear and keep reappearing. Dates are very important! In Protestant/Lutheran families, could have been given saint names but most likely the names of witnesses or a favorite relative/ancestor at the baptismal event. Throw out the window the idea that just because a name came first on the baptismal registry, does not mean the child much cared for it and may have used one of the others... and then changed their mind when they aged. Then.... throw in nick names! Just to add to your search, Gustav would most likely be spelled as Gustaw because of the pronunciation of 'v' and 'w.' Or Gustave... Carl could also be Karl or the English version Charles. A bevy of choices, that's for sure. Bob~~ ------------------ Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] name query Thankyou David, for your comments I realize that August is not a true translation of Gustav, but in my case my great-grandfather seemed to have used both names. Nicknames are chosen sometimes for ease of use, or otherwise to help people blend into a new country. My great-grandfather's name was Gustav Carl, but he often went by August. I'm sure my Otto had another first name, but I have yet to determine what it was Cathy in Canada Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] name query Cathy, My British born, ethnically German maternal grandfather changed his name from Otto August Wilhelm Kunde to Oswald Arthur William Cundy during the Great War. (Cundy being an ancient Anglo-Saxon name that reflects the English pronunciation of Kunde). You say that "Gustav was August when he came to (the) United States". There is a straight forward English equivalent of August and that is Augustus. So your Gustav was probably "August Gustav", August being his first given name and Gustav a middle name by which he went in everyday life, a common practice with Germans. (My Grandfather was known as "Bill" from his third given name). I should add that August and Gustav are entirely separate names, August coming from Cæsar Augustus (after whom the month is named in the Julian calendar), and Gustav having a Germanic origin. So it could be that Otto was a middle given name, not the first given name of your great uncle. David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Cathy Hawinkels To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] name query Greetings all I am trying to find a great-uncle by the name of Otto Feldkamp who homesteaded in Alberta after emigrating from Germany. There is no sign of him so far, even in Canadian census. My question is what other name would an Otto be named. For example, Gustav was August when he came to United States. Thankyou, Cathy, in Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Kathy - That site you gave me www.dvhh.com was a site to establish a domain name. It happened that my mail program thought the email you sent to me directly was junk. Perhaps you mistyped the site you wanted me to visit. Thanks, Jim On Aug 3, 2009, at 9:37 AM, [email protected] wrote: > I would try and get a copy of his death notice that might of been in a > newspaper, and if a funeral home was used I would contact them and > see if they > have any different info. Kathy in NJ > > > In a message dated 8/2/2009 10:45:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Hi Shiela: > > He was naturalized in Boston. He died in 1908 in Brockton, MA. I have > checked all censi and records here in MA. All that I have > ascertained > is the information I have mentioned in my posts. I am really looking > for how to find information about him in Prussia, e.g., where would > be > a good place to look for records if I think he was born in Stettin? > What if I do not find the name Wormell in any records, could it have > sounded like Wormell but be spelled differantly? > > Basically, I have exhausted all leads on this side of the Atlantic > and > need help of how to resume the search, based on the information I do > have, from the sources here. > > Thanks > > JIm > > On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:54 PM, Sheila Kapella wrote: > >> Jim: Where was he naturalized? Do you know where and when he >> died? Have >> you found him in all available census records? Sheila K. >> >> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Jim <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> According to my great grandfather's naturalization papers, he >>> arrived >>> in Boston, from Prussia, on 29 FEB 1856. He was 15 years old. >>> Family >>> story says he worked his way over from Germany as a cabin boy on a >>> ship. He never spoke about the "old country". My father said he >>> thought his grandfather came from Essen or Stettin. In looking at a >>> map of Prussia of 1850, Essen was not part of Prussia so it appears >>> that Stettin, now Szczecin, Poland, is possibly a starting point >>> for >>> my research. >>> >>> This is my last line and brick wall of my tree which I have been >>> researching for 40 years. I have only come across WORMELL as an >>> English name and any records I have seen for Germany/Prussia do not >>> show the name. >>> >>> If anyone can point me in the right direction as to where to start >>> based on this information, it would be greatly appreciated. I have >>> gone so far as taking a long shot and joining the Germany DNA group >>> to >>> have have my DNA tested, in hopes that there might be a match. No >>> 37 >>> marker matches. >>> >>> Interestlingly, the both witnesses on his naturalization papers >>> were >>> from Denmark. Both worked in shipping industry...one as a captain, >>> the >>> other as the owner of a "employment agency" for the shipping >>> industry. >>> Both also lived near him in East Boston. My great grandfather was a >>> sea captain. >>> >>> Thank you, Jim Wormelle ("e" added on early 1900's) >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just > 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx > ?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd > =JulystepsfooterNO115) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Thanks Kathy. I do have a copy of his death certificate. I don't think I was able to find his obituary...but I should try that again. Jim On Aug 3, 2009, at 9:37 AM, [email protected] wrote: > I would try and get a copy of his death notice that might of been in a > newspaper, and if a funeral home was used I would contact them and > see if they > have any different info. Kathy in NJ > > > In a message dated 8/2/2009 10:45:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Hi Shiela: > > He was naturalized in Boston. He died in 1908 in Brockton, MA. I have > checked all censi and records here in MA. All that I have > ascertained > is the information I have mentioned in my posts. I am really looking > for how to find information about him in Prussia, e.g., where would > be > a good place to look for records if I think he was born in Stettin? > What if I do not find the name Wormell in any records, could it have > sounded like Wormell but be spelled differantly? > > Basically, I have exhausted all leads on this side of the Atlantic > and > need help of how to resume the search, based on the information I do > have, from the sources here. > > Thanks > > JIm > > On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:54 PM, Sheila Kapella wrote: > >> Jim: Where was he naturalized? Do you know where and when he >> died? Have >> you found him in all available census records? Sheila K. >> >> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Jim <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> According to my great grandfather's naturalization papers, he >>> arrived >>> in Boston, from Prussia, on 29 FEB 1856. He was 15 years old. >>> Family >>> story says he worked his way over from Germany as a cabin boy on a >>> ship. He never spoke about the "old country". My father said he >>> thought his grandfather came from Essen or Stettin. In looking at a >>> map of Prussia of 1850, Essen was not part of Prussia so it appears >>> that Stettin, now Szczecin, Poland, is possibly a starting point >>> for >>> my research. >>> >>> This is my last line and brick wall of my tree which I have been >>> researching for 40 years. I have only come across WORMELL as an >>> English name and any records I have seen for Germany/Prussia do not >>> show the name. >>> >>> If anyone can point me in the right direction as to where to start >>> based on this information, it would be greatly appreciated. I have >>> gone so far as taking a long shot and joining the Germany DNA group >>> to >>> have have my DNA tested, in hopes that there might be a match. No >>> 37 >>> marker matches. >>> >>> Interestlingly, the both witnesses on his naturalization papers >>> were >>> from Denmark. Both worked in shipping industry...one as a captain, >>> the >>> other as the owner of a "employment agency" for the shipping >>> industry. >>> Both also lived near him in East Boston. My great grandfather was a >>> sea captain. >>> >>> Thank you, Jim Wormelle ("e" added on early 1900's) >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just > 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx > ?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd > =JulystepsfooterNO115) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

I would try and get a copy of his death notice that might of been in a newspaper, and if a funeral home was used I would contact them and see if they have any different info. Kathy in NJ In a message dated 8/2/2009 10:45:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Shiela: He was naturalized in Boston. He died in 1908 in Brockton, MA. I have checked all censi and records here in MA. All that I have ascertained is the information I have mentioned in my posts. I am really looking for how to find information about him in Prussia, e.g., where would be a good place to look for records if I think he was born in Stettin? What if I do not find the name Wormell in any records, could it have sounded like Wormell but be spelled differantly? Basically, I have exhausted all leads on this side of the Atlantic and need help of how to resume the search, based on the information I do have, from the sources here. Thanks JIm On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:54 PM, Sheila Kapella wrote: > Jim: Where was he naturalized? Do you know where and when he > died? Have > you found him in all available census records? Sheila K. > > On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Jim <[email protected]> wrote: > >> According to my great grandfather's naturalization papers, he arrived >> in Boston, from Prussia, on 29 FEB 1856. He was 15 years old. Family >> story says he worked his way over from Germany as a cabin boy on a >> ship. He never spoke about the "old country". My father said he >> thought his grandfather came from Essen or Stettin. In looking at a >> map of Prussia of 1850, Essen was not part of Prussia so it appears >> that Stettin, now Szczecin, Poland, is possibly a starting point for >> my research. >> >> This is my last line and brick wall of my tree which I have been >> researching for 40 years. I have only come across WORMELL as an >> English name and any records I have seen for Germany/Prussia do not >> show the name. >> >> If anyone can point me in the right direction as to where to start >> based on this information, it would be greatly appreciated. I have >> gone so far as taking a long shot and joining the Germany DNA group >> to >> have have my DNA tested, in hopes that there might be a match. No 37 >> marker matches. >> >> Interestlingly, the both witnesses on his naturalization papers were >> from Denmark. Both worked in shipping industry...one as a captain, >> the >> other as the owner of a "employment agency" for the shipping >> industry. >> Both also lived near him in East Boston. My great grandfather was a >> sea captain. >> >> Thank you, Jim Wormelle ("e" added on early 1900's) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115)

Cathy,   It is also possible that your Otto had just one name. I have a great grandfather born in Bad Frankenhausen in 1818 who has one name only, Albert Pietschmann. That is how he was baptized. His three siblings each had 3 names. His mother had 3. His father had 2. Six of his children had 3 names but his seventh child had 4 names and the eight and youngest had 2 names only. The youngest was named after a prominent hymn writer, Paul Gerhardt.   So isn't that what makes our research so interesting?    LaVerne

Some other questions I might include are: - What other records might I search that survived the wars, e.g., military records (his father may have been in military), census, district registrations, etc. - Did ships sail to America from Stettin in 1856...or did they sail only directly from other ports,e.g., Copenhagen, Amsterdam, etc. - Were there records kept of seamen in 1856. - I think there were records of people emigrating to the US kept in Prussia during this time. Would he, at 16 years old, bothered to fill one out...if in fact emigration was his plan? Even though he gave up his allegiance to Fredrick William, King of Prussia (as required on the Naturalization papers), he did name his second son after him 25 years later:). Thanks again, Jim On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:54 PM, Sheila Kapella wrote: > Jim: Where was he naturalized? Do you know where and when he > died? Have > you found him in all available census records? Sheila K. > > On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Jim <[email protected]> wrote: > >> According to my great grandfather's naturalization papers, he arrived >> in Boston, from Prussia, on 29 FEB 1856. He was 15 years old. Family >> story says he worked his way over from Germany as a cabin boy on a >> ship. He never spoke about the "old country". My father said he >> thought his grandfather came from Essen or Stettin. In looking at a >> map of Prussia of 1850, Essen was not part of Prussia so it appears >> that Stettin, now Szczecin, Poland, is possibly a starting point for >> my research. >> >> This is my last line and brick wall of my tree which I have been >> researching for 40 years. I have only come across WORMELL as an >> English name and any records I have seen for Germany/Prussia do not >> show the name. >> >> If anyone can point me in the right direction as to where to start >> based on this information, it would be greatly appreciated. I have >> gone so far as taking a long shot and joining the Germany DNA group >> to >> have have my DNA tested, in hopes that there might be a match. No 37 >> marker matches. >> >> Interestlingly, the both witnesses on his naturalization papers were >> from Denmark. Both worked in shipping industry...one as a captain, >> the >> other as the owner of a "employment agency" for the shipping >> industry. >> Both also lived near him in East Boston. My great grandfather was a >> sea captain. >> >> Thank you, Jim Wormelle ("e" added on early 1900's) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi Shiela: He was naturalized in Boston. He died in 1908 in Brockton, MA. I have checked all censi and records here in MA. All that I have ascertained is the information I have mentioned in my posts. I am really looking for how to find information about him in Prussia, e.g., where would be a good place to look for records if I think he was born in Stettin? What if I do not find the name Wormell in any records, could it have sounded like Wormell but be spelled differantly? Basically, I have exhausted all leads on this side of the Atlantic and need help of how to resume the search, based on the information I do have, from the sources here. Thanks JIm On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:54 PM, Sheila Kapella wrote: > Jim: Where was he naturalized? Do you know where and when he > died? Have > you found him in all available census records? Sheila K. > > On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Jim <[email protected]> wrote: > >> According to my great grandfather's naturalization papers, he arrived >> in Boston, from Prussia, on 29 FEB 1856. He was 15 years old. Family >> story says he worked his way over from Germany as a cabin boy on a >> ship. He never spoke about the "old country". My father said he >> thought his grandfather came from Essen or Stettin. In looking at a >> map of Prussia of 1850, Essen was not part of Prussia so it appears >> that Stettin, now Szczecin, Poland, is possibly a starting point for >> my research. >> >> This is my last line and brick wall of my tree which I have been >> researching for 40 years. I have only come across WORMELL as an >> English name and any records I have seen for Germany/Prussia do not >> show the name. >> >> If anyone can point me in the right direction as to where to start >> based on this information, it would be greatly appreciated. I have >> gone so far as taking a long shot and joining the Germany DNA group >> to >> have have my DNA tested, in hopes that there might be a match. No 37 >> marker matches. >> >> Interestlingly, the both witnesses on his naturalization papers were >> from Denmark. Both worked in shipping industry...one as a captain, >> the >> other as the owner of a "employment agency" for the shipping >> industry. >> Both also lived near him in East Boston. My great grandfather was a >> sea captain. >> >> Thank you, Jim Wormelle ("e" added on early 1900's) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Thankyou David, for your comments I realize that August is not a true translation of Gustav, but in my case my great-grandfather seemed to have used both names. Nicknames are chosen sometimes for ease of use, or otherwise to help people blend into a new country. My great-grandfather's name was Gustav Carl, but he often went by August. I'm sure my Otto had another first name, but I have yet to determine what it was Cathy in Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Armstrong" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] name query Cathy, My British born, ethnically German maternal grandfather changed his name from Otto August Wilhelm Kunde to Oswald Arthur William Cundy during the Great War. (Cundy being an ancient Anglo-Saxon name that reflects the English pronunciation of Kunde). You say that "Gustav was August when he came to (the) United States". There is a straight forward English equivalent of August and that is Augustus. So your Gustav was probably "August Gustav", August being his first given name and Gustav a middle name by which he went in everyday life, a common practice with Germans. (My Grandfather was known as "Bill" from his third given name). I should add that August and Gustav are entirely separate names, August coming from Cæsar Augustus (after whom the month is named in the Julian calendar), and Gustav having a Germanic origin. So it could be that Otto was a middle given name, not the first given name of your great uncle. David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Cathy Hawinkels To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] name query Greetings all I am trying to find a great-uncle by the name of Otto Feldkamp who homesteaded in Alberta after emigrating from Germany. There is no sign of him so far, even in Canadian census. My question is what other name would an Otto be named. For example, Gustav was August when he came to United States. Thankyou, Cathy, in Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message