Here is a database of church records in Prussia. Go to PomGenBase If you find the family, I know of a guy who has CDs for sale with the actual records. http://www.ptg.gda.pl/ On 9/29/2011 10:12 AM, Mary Ellen Chambers wrote: > My family has tried to trace my g grandfather back to Prussia but have not > had any success. Part of the issue is all we have is Prussia which is on the > few records we have as place of birth. Realize that is like saying New England! > We have tried passenger lists coming into Baltimore, approx. 1850 to > 1860. We use this time-line because, he married my g grandmother 1860 to 1864 > in either Cecil County or Baltimore County, MD. MD civil records did not start > until 1898. About 1869 he moved his family to Crestline Crawford Count y OH. > My g grandmother's family also moved with them. She was American born 1845 but > her father was from Hesse Darmstadt per 1880 census& her mother from Bayonne. > Again huge areas of Germany to try to find the "Needle in a haystack". His name > John Ludwig Kiel/Kile/Kyle. > I noticed on the list that there are Civil Records available for some > areas in the late 18th century. Would there be a list/index for the various > areas of Prussia which state the start for their civil records?? Even though > there may be numerous men with the same given& surname, it might give us a more > defined area to search. > It appears that my paternal g grandfather's surname LIBENS (various > spelling) is often in what is now Belgium. However, I have been told that the > part of Prussia which is now Belgium was changed D/T Napoleon's defeat. I have > a b. year for him of 1836 which would have been long after the defeat. > Therefore, find it strange that Prussia continued to be used as his place of > birth if he was actually born in that part which changed. Or would using it be > better define that part??? > Would anyone on the list have any ideas? > My g grandfather was John LIBENS b. 1836 Prussia, expired 1879 Crestline > Crawford County OH. On the 1870 census the surname was spelled LABENS and on > other census LIBBENS, LIBBONS. > Once the families settled in OH, we have numerous records. It is MD back > to Prussia which is our brick wall. In MD both families lived in Rising Sun, > Cecil County MD; near Elkton. They were of the Lutheran faith. > > Mary Ellen Chambers > Lakewood, OH > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Lorene Seman, MBA Assistant Administrator Department of Anesthesiology School of Medicine and Public Health University of Wisconsin 600 Highland Ave, B6/319 CSC Madison, WI 53792-3272 Voice: (608)265-0588 FAX: (608)263-8111 lmseman@wisc.edu

Lorene, since the 01 Oct. 1874 there were civil records in Prussia. Which village/town and years are you exactly looking for ? The LDS church has microfilmed the civil registers of the town Karthaus (today Kartuzy) until 1883. The records from 1874 to 1906 are in the State Archive in Danzig (today Gdansk) and the records after 1906 in the Civil Registration Office of Karthaus. Sincerely, Stefan Rückling www.rueckling.de ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Armstrong" <davidrli@iinet.net.au> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:12 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Vital records in Prussia > Lorene > > Civil Registration as the rest of the world calls it was extended to those > areas of Germany that didn't already have it in 1876. Some states started > in 1792. > > < https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Germany_Civil_Registration > > > Some of these records were microfilmed in 1985 by the LDS and can be > ordered into your local LDS library for a nominal sum. > > http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp?PAGE=library_fhc_find.asp > > There are two in Madison: > > Madison Wisconsin > 4505 Regent St > Madison, Dane, Wisconsin, United States > Phone: 608-238-4844 > Hours: T 9am-9pm; Th 9am-12pm & 6pm-9pm; Sat 9am-12pm. > Closed: Nov 27 - Dec 1; Dec. 23 - Jan 5 > > Wisconsin Historical Society > 816 State St > Madison, Dane, Wisconsin, United States > Phone: 608-264-6536 > Hours: Mon-Fri 8am-5pm; Sat 9am-4pm > Attention: Microfilms from the Church can be ordered at this historical > society > > > > David Armstrong > Maylands, > Western Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lorene Seman > To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 10:14 PM > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Vital records in Prussia > > > Does anyone know whether vital records exist in Prussia? I know there > are church records, such as baptism, marriage, death. What about vital > records, similar to birth certificates, marriage certificates and death > certificates here in the U.S.? This would be for the Kartuzy area. I > seem to recall reading that these exist and they contain more > information than the church records. Thanks. > > Lorene Seman, MBA > Assistant Administrator > Department of Anesthesiology > School of Medicine and Public Health > University of Wisconsin > 600 Highland Ave, B6/319 CSC > Madison, WI 53792-3272 > Voice: (608)265-0588 > FAX: (608)263-8111 > lmseman@wisc.edu > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks. I'm looking for earlier records. My ancestors left in 1868, lived in Podjass (Podjazy), a small village of about 150 people. Do you know whether any exist for the earlier time period? Would villages have taken census for tax purposes? On 9/29/2011 2:32 AM, Stefan Rückling wrote: > Lorene, > > since the 01 Oct. 1874 there were civil records in Prussia. Which > village/town and years are you exactly looking for ? > > The LDS church has microfilmed the civil registers of the town Karthaus > (today Kartuzy) until 1883. The records from 1874 to 1906 are in the State > Archive in Danzig (today Gdansk) and the records after 1906 in the Civil > Registration Office of Karthaus. > > Sincerely, > > Stefan Rückling > > www.rueckling.de > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Armstrong"<davidrli@iinet.net.au> > To:<prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:12 AM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Vital records in Prussia > > > >> Lorene >> >> Civil Registration as the rest of the world calls it was extended to those >> areas of Germany that didn't already have it in 1876. Some states started >> in 1792. >> >> < https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Germany_Civil_Registration> >> >> Some of these records were microfilmed in 1985 by the LDS and can be >> ordered into your local LDS library for a nominal sum. >> >> http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp?PAGE=library_fhc_find.asp >> >> There are two in Madison: >> >> Madison Wisconsin >> 4505 Regent St >> Madison, Dane, Wisconsin, United States >> Phone: 608-238-4844 >> Hours: T 9am-9pm; Th 9am-12pm& 6pm-9pm; Sat 9am-12pm. >> Closed: Nov 27 - Dec 1; Dec. 23 - Jan 5 >> >> Wisconsin Historical Society >> 816 State St >> Madison, Dane, Wisconsin, United States >> Phone: 608-264-6536 >> Hours: Mon-Fri 8am-5pm; Sat 9am-4pm >> Attention: Microfilms from the Church can be ordered at this historical >> society >> >> >> >> David Armstrong >> Maylands, >> Western Australia >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Lorene Seman >> To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 10:14 PM >> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Vital records in Prussia >> >> >> Does anyone know whether vital records exist in Prussia? I know there >> are church records, such as baptism, marriage, death. What about vital >> records, similar to birth certificates, marriage certificates and death >> certificates here in the U.S.? This would be for the Kartuzy area. I >> seem to recall reading that these exist and they contain more >> information than the church records. Thanks. >> >> Lorene Seman, MBA >> Assistant Administrator >> Department of Anesthesiology >> School of Medicine and Public Health >> University of Wisconsin >> 600 Highland Ave, B6/319 CSC >> Madison, WI 53792-3272 >> Voice: (608)265-0588 >> FAX: (608)263-8111 >> lmseman@wisc.edu >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Lorene Seman, MBA Assistant Administrator Department of Anesthesiology School of Medicine and Public Health University of Wisconsin 600 Highland Ave, B6/319 CSC Madison, WI 53792-3272 Voice: (608)265-0588 FAX: (608)263-8111 lmseman@wisc.edu

Stefan~       The part of the change over data was given to my cousin when he was studying in Rome.  He spent time trying to find our g grandfather on holidays in Prussia area.  Kept getting directed to Belgium and the commonality of the surname there.  Interesting.       Therefore, it would behove us to perhaps concentrate on the Rhineland & those parts of the Palatine returned to Prussia after Napoleon's defeat.  Where might we find an index of civil births for that area circa 1830-1840?        Thank you so much.  Mary Ellen ________________________________ From: Stefan Rückling <rueckling@gmx.de> To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, September 29, 2011 11:42:26 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor Research Mary, Belgium was never part of Prussia. France occupated at the end of the 18th century the Rhineland (Rheinland) and the Palatine (Pfalz). Then Napoleon imported the civil registers in this occupated region, so these registers begin 1792. After Napoleons defeat (1815) Prussia get the Rhineland and parts of the Palatine. The Prussian government continued the civil registers. In all other parts of Prussia they begin in 1874 and in the rest of Germany in 1876. The birth place "Prussia" is really not very specific so it's very hard to find the region where your ancestor came from. Sincerely, Stefan www.rueckling.de ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ellen Chambers" <maryln61@yahoo.com> To: <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:12 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor Research My family has tried to trace my g grandfather back to Prussia but have not had any success. Part of the issue is all we have is Prussia which is on the few records we have as place of birth. Realize that is like saying New England! We have tried passenger lists coming into Baltimore, approx. 1850 to 1860. We use this time-line because, he married my g grandmother 1860 to 1864 in either Cecil County or Baltimore County, MD. MD civil records did not start until 1898. About 1869 he moved his family to Crestline Crawford Count y OH. My g grandmother's family also moved with them. She was American born 1845 but her father was from Hesse Darmstadt per 1880 census & her mother from Bayonne. Again huge areas of Germany to try to find the "Needle in a haystack". His name John Ludwig Kiel/Kile/Kyle. I noticed on the list that there are Civil Records available for some areas in the late 18th century. Would there be a list/index for the various areas of Prussia which state the start for their civil records?? Even though there may be numerous men with the same given & surname, it might give us a more defined area to search. It appears that my paternal g grandfather's surname LIBENS (various spelling) is often in what is now Belgium. However, I have been told that the part of Prussia which is now Belgium was changed D/T Napoleon's defeat. I have a b. year for him of 1836 which would have been long after the defeat. Therefore, find it strange that Prussia continued to be used as his place of birth if he was actually born in that part which changed. Or would using it be better define that part??? Would anyone on the list have any ideas? My g grandfather was John LIBENS b. 1836 Prussia, expired 1879 Crestline Crawford County OH. On the 1870 census the surname was spelled LABENS and on other census LIBBENS, LIBBONS. Once the families settled in OH, we have numerous records. It is MD back to Prussia which is our brick wall. In MD both families lived in Rising Sun, Cecil County MD; near Elkton. They were of the Lutheran faith. Mary Ellen Chambers Lakewood, OH ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

      My family has tried to trace my g grandfather back to Prussia but have not had any success.  Part of the issue is all we have is Prussia which is on the few records we have as place of birth.  Realize that is like saying New England!       We have tried passenger lists coming into Baltimore, approx. 1850 to 1860.  We use this time-line because, he married my g grandmother 1860 to 1864 in either Cecil County or Baltimore County, MD.  MD civil records did not start until 1898.  About 1869 he moved his family to Crestline Crawford Count y OH.  My g grandmother's family also moved with them.  She was American born 1845 but her father was from Hesse Darmstadt per 1880 census & her mother from Bayonne.  Again huge areas of Germany to try to find the "Needle in a haystack".  His name John Ludwig Kiel/Kile/Kyle.       I noticed on the list that there are Civil Records available for some areas in the late 18th century.  Would there be a list/index for the various areas of Prussia which state the start for their civil records??  Even though there may be numerous men with the same given & surname, it might give us a more defined area to search.       It appears that my paternal g grandfather's surname LIBENS (various spelling) is often in what is now Belgium.  However, I have been told that the part of Prussia which is now Belgium was changed D/T Napoleon's defeat.  I have a b. year for him of 1836 which would have been long after the defeat.  Therefore, find it strange that Prussia continued to be used as his place of birth if he was actually born in that part which changed.  Or would using it be better define that part???       Would anyone on the list have any ideas?       My g grandfather was John LIBENS b. 1836 Prussia, expired 1879 Crestline Crawford County OH.  On the 1870 census the surname was spelled LABENS and on other census LIBBENS, LIBBONS.       Once the families settled in OH, we have numerous records.  It is MD back to Prussia which is our brick wall.  In MD both families lived in Rising Sun, Cecil County MD; near Elkton.  They were of the Lutheran faith. Mary Ellen Chambers Lakewood, OH

Lorene Civil Registration as the rest of the world calls it was extended to those areas of Germany that didn't already have it in 1876. Some states started in 1792. < https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Germany_Civil_Registration > Some of these records were microfilmed in 1985 by the LDS and can be ordered into your local LDS library for a nominal sum. http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp?PAGE=library_fhc_find.asp There are two in Madison: Madison Wisconsin 4505 Regent St Madison, Dane, Wisconsin, United States Phone: 608-238-4844 Hours: T 9am-9pm; Th 9am-12pm & 6pm-9pm; Sat 9am-12pm. Closed: Nov 27 - Dec 1; Dec. 23 - Jan 5 Wisconsin Historical Society 816 State St Madison, Dane, Wisconsin, United States Phone: 608-264-6536 Hours: Mon-Fri 8am-5pm; Sat 9am-4pm Attention: Microfilms from the Church can be ordered at this historical society David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Lorene Seman To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 10:14 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Vital records in Prussia Does anyone know whether vital records exist in Prussia? I know there are church records, such as baptism, marriage, death. What about vital records, similar to birth certificates, marriage certificates and death certificates here in the U.S.? This would be for the Kartuzy area. I seem to recall reading that these exist and they contain more information than the church records. Thanks. Lorene Seman, MBA Assistant Administrator Department of Anesthesiology School of Medicine and Public Health University of Wisconsin 600 Highland Ave, B6/319 CSC Madison, WI 53792-3272 Voice: (608)265-0588 FAX: (608)263-8111 lmseman@wisc.edu

Found Johann Heibel on www.findagrave.com Yvonne in California http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Heibel&GSfn=Johann&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=46&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=53148446&df=all&

Hi Patsy, 1910 Census Name: John Heibel BP: Germany Relastionship to head of household: Father Residence:Justice Precinct 1, Victoria, Texas MS: widowed Race: white Gender: male Immigration Year: 1883 Father's BP:Germany Mother's BP: Germany family number: 480 page number: 24 Household child: Adam Heibel M 35y spouse: Teresa Heibel F 32y Mary Heibel F 11y Adam Heibel M 4y Emile W Heibel M 3y Otto Heibel M 1y In the 1900 census John Heibel is already widowed and there is a brother-in-law mentioned by the name of John Hueber born 1878 in Texas. This info came from www.familysearch.org website, on Ancestry I found John Heibel born 18 June 1839 in Hessen, Germany, died 10 June 1916 from someone's personal website on ancestry. I went back to www.familysearch.org as I have seen death records for Texas Name: John Heible (this is how it is spelled) DOD: 10 Jun 1916 Death Place: Victoria County, Texas Gender: Male Race: White Death Age: 77 years Estimated Birth Date: 1839 Birth Place: Germany Marital Status: Widowed Mother's Name: Anna Goehler Mother's Birthplace: Germany Occupation: famer Cemetery: Catholic Cemetery Burial Date: 11 June 1916 film number: 2051626 digital film number: 4165881 Image Number: 1184 Reference Number: 15411 Your friend should order a copy of the death certificate, it may reveal a lot more, even the specific town Johann was born in. Once she has that and there is a specific location, we can look for the Catholic archives in Germany. Yvonne in California ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patsy Hand" <patsy2931@suddenlink.net> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:01 AM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Johann Heibel > With my limited knowledge of the history, etc of Germany I have bee trying > to help a friend with his German family. The name is Johann Heibel, b. > June 1839. Possibliy had a brother, Christopher that did not come to > America. Johann came about 1882/83 and settled in South Texas. He was a > Catholic. MY friend has Johann's diary where he wrote he was born Nassau > Hessen, Germany. My friend thinks that means Johann was b. in the city of > Nassau, state of Hessen, Germany. I think grandpaw meant to say the > district of Hessen Nassau, Germany and no village or town listed. Can > someone out there either agree with my friend or me. If I am right, I > would like to get my friend going in another direction. Patsy Hand, Texas > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I came accross this site for Nassau in Germany. Yvonne in California http://www.gameo.org/encyclopedia/contents/N369.html

Brigitte, would this town be in Hessen in 1883/84? Patsy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brigitte Jahnke" <bj49545@yahoo.com> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Johann Heibel > Hello Patsy, > > please go to google maps and enter: > > Germany > Nassau > Post code: 56337 > > The town is situated northwest of Frankfurt, not so very far from Koblenz > and the Rhein river. > > There is a nice old castle: http://www.burgnassau.de/ > > Good luck for your researches! > > Brigitte > > > Sorry, that it is so very long. > > --- On Wed, 9/28/11, Patsy Hand <patsy2931@suddenlink.net> wrote: > > From: Patsy Hand <patsy2931@suddenlink.net> > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Johann Heibel > To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2011, 7:01 AM > > With my limited knowledge of the history, etc of Germany I have bee trying > to help a friend with his German family. The name is Johann Heibel, b. > June 1839. Possibliy had a brother, Christopher that did not come to > America. Johann came about 1882/83 and settled in South Texas. He was a > Catholic. MY friend has Johann's diary where he wrote he was born Nassau > Hessen, Germany. My friend thinks that means Johann was b. in the city of > Nassau, state of Hessen, Germany. I think grandpaw meant to say the > district of Hessen Nassau, Germany and no village or town listed. Can > someone out there either agree with my friend or me. If I am right, I > would like to get my friend going in another direction. Patsy Hand, Texas > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

For sure, Patsy! Brigitte ________________________________ From: Patsy Hand <patsy2931@suddenlink.net> To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Johann Heibel Brigitte, would this town be in Hessen in  1883/84? Patsy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brigitte Jahnke" <bj49545@yahoo.com> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Johann Heibel > Hello Patsy, > > please go to google maps and enter: > > Germany > Nassau > Post code: 56337 > > The town is situated northwest of Frankfurt, not so very far from Koblenz > and the Rhein river. > > There is a nice old castle: http://www.burgnassau.de/ > > Good luck for your researches! > > Brigitte > > > Sorry, that it is so very long. > > --- On Wed, 9/28/11, Patsy Hand <patsy2931@suddenlink.net> wrote: > > From: Patsy Hand <patsy2931@suddenlink.net> > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Johann Heibel > To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2011, 7:01 AM > > With my limited knowledge of the history, etc of Germany I have bee trying > to help a friend with his German family. The name is Johann Heibel, b. > June 1839. Possibliy had a brother, Christopher that did not come to > America. Johann came about 1882/83 and settled in South Texas. He was a > Catholic. MY friend has Johann's diary where he wrote he was born Nassau > Hessen, Germany. My friend thinks that means Johann was b. in the city of > Nassau, state of Hessen, Germany. I think grandpaw meant to say the > district of Hessen Nassau, Germany and no village or town listed. Can > someone out there either agree with my friend or me. If I am right, I > would like to get my friend going in another direction. Patsy Hand, Texas > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Patsy, please go to google maps and enter: Germany Nassau Post code: 56337 The town is situated northwest of Frankfurt, not so very far from Koblenz and the Rhein river. There is a nice old castle: http://www.burgnassau.de/ Good luck for your researches! Brigitte Sorry, that it is so very long. --- On Wed, 9/28/11, Patsy Hand <patsy2931@suddenlink.net> wrote: From: Patsy Hand <patsy2931@suddenlink.net> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Johann Heibel To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2011, 7:01 AM With my limited knowledge of the history, etc of Germany I have bee trying to help a friend with his German family. The name is Johann Heibel, b. June 1839. Possibliy had a brother, Christopher that did not come to America. Johann came about 1882/83 and settled in South Texas. He was a Catholic. MY friend has Johann's diary where he wrote he was born Nassau Hessen, Germany. My friend thinks that means Johann was b. in the city of Nassau, state of Hessen, Germany. I think grandpaw meant to say the district of Hessen Nassau, Germany and no village or town listed. Can someone out there either agree with my friend or me. If I am right, I would like to get my friend going in another direction. Patsy Hand, Texas ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know whether vital records exist in Prussia? I know there are church records, such as baptism, marriage, death. What about vital records, similar to birth certificates, marriage certificates and death certificates here in the U.S.? This would be for the Kartuzy area. I seem to recall reading that these exist and they contain more information than the church records. Thanks. On 9/15/2011 7:56 PM, Peter & Anne wrote: > Hello Bronwyn, > These Certificates, are from Brisbane, Australia. I haven't tried for > The Certificates, from Germany, as yet. > > Thanking you > > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bronwyn Klimach > Sent: Tuesday, 23 August 2011 12:44 PM > To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] re kuhlow family > > Hi Anne, > Are these certificates from Australia, Germany, or both? They certainly > give you a great starting point, despite any potential errors. How early do > they date back to? > Take a look here if you wish to be convinced of the earlier spelling for > Prenzlau: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenzlau > I think what looks like Benzlow is more than likely also Prenzlow. > The Mormons have filmed records for Gerswalde, but only back to 1845. > Searching Prenzlau records can be time consuming as there were several > parishes. You may have the church named on some of the records in your > possession? > Bronwyn. > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Peter& Anne<pal190@tpg.com.au> wrote: > > >> Hello Bronwyn& List, >> >> Thanking you very much for answering my email again. >> >> >> >> Have been going through some of the certificates that I have got. >> >> Gerswalde, Uckermark is on my Great Grandmother Louisa Marie Kuhlow >> Jungnickel >> >> Marriage and Death Certificates. On another 2 certificates both are Birth >> Certificates >> >> Grandfather, has got Prenzlow and the other Great Aunt has Benzlow Looks >> like to me >> >> there are some errors on the certificates. >> >> >> >> Is Prenzlau the same spelling of Prenzlow? >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanking you >> >> >> >> Anne >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3851 - Release Date: 08/22/11 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Lorene Seman, MBA Assistant Administrator Department of Anesthesiology School of Medicine and Public Health University of Wisconsin 600 Highland Ave, B6/319 CSC Madison, WI 53792-3272 Voice: (608)265-0588 FAX: (608)263-8111 lmseman@wisc.edu

With my limited knowledge of the history, etc of Germany I have bee trying to help a friend with his German family. The name is Johann Heibel, b. June 1839. Possibliy had a brother, Christopher that did not come to America. Johann came about 1882/83 and settled in South Texas. He was a Catholic. MY friend has Johann's diary where he wrote he was born Nassau Hessen, Germany. My friend thinks that means Johann was b. in the city of Nassau, state of Hessen, Germany. I think grandpaw meant to say the district of Hessen Nassau, Germany and no village or town listed. Can someone out there either agree with my friend or me. If I am right, I would like to get my friend going in another direction. Patsy Hand, Texas

I'm no expert, but I searched kartenmeister.com and only found one city named Nassau, in the former Schlesein province, not in Hessen.  You might try more research at the link below.  it seemed to have more info on the Nassau-Hessen region.   http://www.zum.de/whkmla/region/germany/xhnassau.html Deborah Frontczak _____________________________________________________ Researching Genealogy (Detroit, MI and Poland) for: Frontczak, Owczarek, Fuerst, Wrosch, Langa, Endert, Stefanski, Mrozowski, Sobieski, Tomaszewski, Kowalski, Ksiazkiewicz, Bukowski. From: Patsy Hand <patsy2931@suddenlink.net> To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 10:01 AM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Johann Heibel With my limited knowledge of the history, etc of Germany I have bee trying to help a friend with his German family. The name is Johann Heibel, b. June 1839. Possibliy had a brother, Christopher that did not come to America. Johann came about 1882/83 and settled in South Texas. He was a Catholic. MY friend has Johann's diary where he wrote he was born Nassau Hessen, Germany. My friend thinks that means Johann was b. in the city of Nassau, state of Hessen, Germany. I think grandpaw meant to say the district of Hessen Nassau, Germany and no village or town listed. Can someone out there either agree with my friend or me. If I am right, I would like to get my friend going in another direction. Patsy Hand, Texas ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello,   I was in Chicago at the Newberry Library last weekend but couldn't find anything about this place.  I'll probably have to order the records at the FHLibrary.   I was contacted from Germany by a distant cousin who wrote "Schnadtschmidt is a very rare surname, he is only be found in the county of Herford", “a town in North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany, located in the lowlands between the hill chains of the Wiehen Hills and the Teutoburg Forest. It is the capital of the district of Herford,“(1).   Fedineki/Frederika Schaeffer, Henry Schnadtschmidt He alone embarked on SHIP: LOUISIANA, FROM: BREMEN, TO: NEW ORLEANS, ARRIVED: 25 MAY 1850.   1. Wikipedia contributors. "Herford." Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia, 23 Sep. 2011. Web. 26 Sep. 2011.   Regards, Bob

Hello, I'm from Poland. I live in Semmerow.I'm interested of history about my region.Maybe someone has any information about village Semmerow? Maybe pictures from family album?I also have some information, perhaps someone will be interested.Greetings from Semmerow ---------------------------------------------------------------- Dom pod miastem nawet za 225 tys. zl! http://linkint.pl/f2a31

Some time ago I sent a request for help in finding my family and received a lot of information from members of this list. But I am still battling a brick wall in the search for the guy I think is my 6x g.grandfather - Hiob Wilhelm von Printzen. I found mention of him in Tidsskrift in an article about Carl XII and his attack on Norway 1716 and 1718 but this was just a mention of his being 'one of a superabundance of Germans through all grades' (unfortunately the translation I have is rather strange. I also found mention of him in the Norwegian military online book (olai ovenstad militaerbiolografter Den Norske officier 1628-1814). Unfortunately I'm not too sure what it says and hope that someone may be able to help me. It says: Printzen, Hiob Wilhelm von - F. i Tyskland - sersj ved Boynenbourgs gev inf. regt 30/3 1689. - Fenr ved samme regt 1/7 s. a - Pr.int 20/4 (13/4) 1700 - Kpt 23/9 1707 - Avskjed 9/8 1728. The main problem comes about because my family have all the same names as the rather famous family from Brandenburg - i.e. Johannes, Heinrich Wilhelm, Friderich Wilhelm, Marquard Ludvig, Otto Heinrich - this continued to down to my g.grandfather who was born in 1849 and so this has rather side-tracked me. I was told that Hiob could well have come from Prussia and that in his Danish military records he often returned to 'his home in Mark Brandenburg'and had to be reminded to return to his regiment. Any help would be much appreciated. Melva

Hello Bronwyn, These Certificates, are from Brisbane, Australia. I haven't tried for The Certificates, from Germany, as yet. Thanking you Anne -----Original Message----- From: prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bronwyn Klimach Sent: Tuesday, 23 August 2011 12:44 PM To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] re kuhlow family Hi Anne, Are these certificates from Australia, Germany, or both? They certainly give you a great starting point, despite any potential errors. How early do they date back to? Take a look here if you wish to be convinced of the earlier spelling for Prenzlau: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenzlau I think what looks like Benzlow is more than likely also Prenzlow. The Mormons have filmed records for Gerswalde, but only back to 1845. Searching Prenzlau records can be time consuming as there were several parishes. You may have the church named on some of the records in your possession? Bronwyn. On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Peter & Anne <pal190@tpg.com.au> wrote: > Hello Bronwyn & List, > > Thanking you very much for answering my email again. > > > > Have been going through some of the certificates that I have got. > > Gerswalde, Uckermark is on my Great Grandmother Louisa Marie Kuhlow > Jungnickel > > Marriage and Death Certificates. On another 2 certificates both are Birth > Certificates > > Grandfather, has got Prenzlow and the other Great Aunt has Benzlow Looks > like to me > > there are some errors on the certificates. > > > > Is Prenzlau the same spelling of Prenzlow? > > > > > > Thanking you > > > > Anne > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3851 - Release Date: 08/22/11

Hello Lorene I came across this site with information on Kashubian family names and noticed that yours was included. http://www.pgsa.org/Kashub/kashub.php Enjoy! Pax Vobiscum, ...mark (Mark Rabideau) ManyRoads Family Genealogist (Rabideau-Henss Family) *Visit us at: http://many-roads.com <http://many-roads.com/> * *Snail mail at: *711 Nob Hill Trail - Franktown,CO USA - 80116-8717 *phone:*+1.303.660.9400 *fax:*+1.303.660.9217 *member:*Association of Professional Genealogists & National Genealogical Society _____________________________________________________________________ *"It’s always useful to know where a friend-and-relation is, whether you want him or whether you don’t."* Rabbit, Pooh’s Little Instruction Book (Winnie the Pooh) On 01/04/2011 10:54 AM, Mark Rabideau wrote: > Hi Lorene > > Hard to guess what might be best. I guess, I'd try the LDS archives > looking for the town church records searching Village of Podjazy > (Polish), /Podjas /(German, /Poland/) (a keyword search yielded a > potential: > https://familysearch.org/s/search/index/catalog-search#searchType=catalog&filtered=true&fed=false&collectionId=&catSearchType=keywords&searchCriteria=Podjazy&placeName=&author_givenName=&author_surname= > <https://familysearch.org/s/search/index/catalog-search#searchType=catalog&filtered=true&fed=false&collectionId=&catSearchType=keywords&searchCriteria=Podjazy&placeName=&author_givenName=&author_surname=> > > A place name search is useless in either Polish or German (comes up > empty)... so you need to find the adjacent towns to search all while > being sensitive to the religious affiliation you seek. Because your > family came from the area in 1868, you will be hard pressed to find > addressbooks that will be helpful, although I have some early ones > online from Danzig, which seems near to where your family lived (you > can browse those to see what you find). > > You will need to search for your family in the language relevant to > the time period and region (it shifted a lot in certain areas). My > family was in a nearly 100% German area (had been starting about 1400- > all that can be read on ManyRoads). As for finding their farm... well > you could get lucky. My mother's farm survived and I am in contact > with the people who took it over after my family was dispossessed and > ethnically cleansed from the region at the end of WW2 (also on ManyRoads). > > btw. I also do this as a service so without meaning to be too pushy, > you can learn more about my genealogical services at: > http://www.many-roads.com/manyroads-services/ > I wish you the best of luck. I do think the archives that started > this whole discussion are a good place to look and query in both > Polish & German (who knows what will pop-up!) > -- > > Pax Vobiscum, > ...mark (Mark Rabideau) > > ManyRoads Family Genealogist (Rabideau-Henss Family) > *Visit us at: http://many-roads.com * > *Snail mail at: *711 Nob Hill Trail - Franktown,CO USA - 80116-8717 > *phone:*+1.303.660.9400 *fax:*+1.303.660.9217 > *member:* Association of Professional Genealogists & National > Genealogical Society > _____________________________________________________________________ > *"It’s always useful to know where a friend-and-relation is, whether > you want him or whether you don’t."* > Rabbit, Pooh’s Little Instruction Book (Winnie the Pooh) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From*: Lorene Seman <lmseman@wisc.edu > <mailto:Lorene%20Seman%20%3clmseman@wisc.edu%3e>> > *To*: genealogy@eirenicon.org <mailto:genealogy@eirenicon.org>, > prussia-roots@rootsweb.com <mailto:prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > *Subject*: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Fw: Polish Archives > *Date*: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 11:29:48 -0600 > > Hi Mark: Thanks for the info. So, to clarify, you are uploading just > German information on these sites? But what does that mean? > Information on people who were truly German, who spoke German and came > from Germany and relocated to Prussia? > > My family--Polish name Cyman for centuries living in Prussia was later > forced to change their name to Zieman because of the German invasion; so > even though they lived in "Germany" (which was originally Poland) and > had a "Germanized" name, they spoke Polish so I call them Polish and > they left Podjass, Poland in 1868 due to religious persecution by the > Germans. I'm looking for any information I can get to show me where > they lived; I would like to go visit the farm where they lived. I don't > know if this would be found in German records or Polish records, given > that at the time, Polish language was abolished by the German > controlling party. Polish people were not allowed to speak Polish or > have store signs in Polish and the official language taught in schools > was German. So, where would I find such records? In German archives or > Polish archives? Addressbooks or church records would be helpful. I've > searched the Pomeranian database and found one church record because not > all years have been digitized. > > On 1/4/2011 10:31 AM, Mark Rabideau wrote: > > Hi Lorene, > > > > Doubtful you will find census records, so far as I know almost none were > > ever taken. Property records were largely destroyed with the damages of > > WW2 and the ethnic cleansing of the region twice in the early to mid > > 1900s. I find textbooks, maps, addressbooks and church records to be > > reasonably helpful and as close to complete as you will get. The > > archives I pointed everyone to are being organized by the Polish > > University system and a exceptionally useful albeit incomplete and in > > development. > > > > If you are fluent in Polish you could also try Polish civil archives... > > I, however, am not looking for Polish ancestors, so I am unfamiliar with > > those document sources. All my relatives were Germans (protestants at > > that... a completely extinct brand of person these days). I have been > > gathering everything I can find and placing it on my website in > > electronic/ digitized libraries (I have almost 20GB of information as of > > today). Almost all of it is free for people to access and use. > > > > If you are unfamiliar with the history of the area and time your family > > lived in the region, I recommend you start by reading wikipedia and from > > there you can try reading some of the materials I have gathered: > > > > http://www.many-roads.com/libraries/prussia-histories/adressbucher/ > > http://www.many-roads.com/libraries/maps/ > > http://www.many-roads.com/libraries/prussia-histories/ > > > > If you need additional links these may be useful: > > http://www.many-roads.com/link-directory/ > > > > Have fun! > > > > > > >