Stephanie, I just found the same Pittroff family in the 1920 census in Virginia. I am sure this is the same family. They had a son, John born in Virginia in 1910, so they may have moved from New Jersey to Virginia during the 1910 census. --------------- 1920 census Norfolk Madison Ward, Norfolk (Independent City), Virginia Meiron Pittroff, head, age 58, born abt 1862 Germany, parents born Germany, emigration unknown Barbara Pittroff, wife, age 53, born abt 1867 Germany, parents born Germany, emigration unknown Alma C Pittroff, daughter, age 24, born abt 1896 New Jersey, parents born Germany Elsie M Pittroff, daughter, age 19, born abt 1901 (indexed as North Carolina-actual New Jersey), parents born Germany Martha M Pittroff, daughter, age 15, born abt 1905 (indexed as Germany-actual New Jersey), parents born Germany George F Pittroff, son, age 14, born abt 1906 New Jersey, parents born Germany John G Pittroff, son, age 10, born abt 1910 Virginia, parents born Germany ------------ Have you looked for an obituary for Meiron/Marion/Bernard Pittroff? How about his wife Barbara? ------------ **It looks like Elsie Pitroff never married. Maybe her obituary would have some information. Social Security Death Index Name: Elsie Pittroff SSN: 155-20-1427 Last Residence: 07522 Paterson, Passaic, New Jersey, United States of America Born: 19 May 1900 Died: Jan 1972 State (Year) SSN issued: New Jersey (Before 1951) -------------- **This Frederick may be the William listed in the census. Social Security Death Index Name: Frederick Pittroff SSN: 143-07-2800 Last Residence: 07522 Paterson, Passaic, New Jersey, United States of America Born: 15 Jul 1898 Died: Jun 1973 State (Year) SSN issued: New Jersey (Before 1951 ) ---------------- **This may be the George listed in the census Social Security Death Index Name: George F. Pittroff SSN: 143-09-7930 Last Residence: 07470 Wayne, Passaic, New Jersey, United States of America Born: 9 Sep 1905 Died: 18 Oct 1988 State (Year) SSN issued: New Jersey (Before 1951 )

You don't mention what all you have tried. Have you checked the Catholic church in the USA. The membership records may record where they came from. -----Original Message----- From: prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Karl Roussin Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:01 AM To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Locating my gg grandfathers homeland. Kathy Here is one record tat may match ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- JOHANNES SCHEIDT Male Family ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Marriages: Spouse: ELISABETHA BENZ Family Marriage: 14 FEB 1837 Evangelisch Reformierte Kirche, Barbelroth, Pfalz, Bayern Karl Roussin =================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merrill and Kathy" <mjdude@easilink.com> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 12:43 AM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Locating my gg grandfathers homeland. > I am trying to located the orgin of my Prussian GG Grandparents. > John (Shite) Scheidt was born in about 1812 in what I believe is Hesse-Nassau... > His wife's name was Elizabeth...She was born about 1814. > They had their first two children in Hesse-Nassau. > Wilhelmina was born in 1840, Willhelm was born in 1845. > To my knowledge, they were Catholics. > They immigrated to the USA somewhere between 1845 and 1850 and settled in Missouri. When they first came to the United States they went by Shite, this was later changed to Scheidt. > > I have exhausted all ideas of how search any further so any help or ideas would be greatly appreciated. > Thank you > Kathy Adams > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

According to Bahlow's description, Pittroff is described as follows (be aware that B and P are interchangeable by sound, as are F and V) Pittroff: Bavarian/Auatrian see Bitterolf. A Meinhardus filius Pitrolft (son of Pitrolfus) in Austria on the Ems as early as 1220. The name means nothing less than "bitter" (a bitter or shart-tongued person) expanded by means of the personal ending -olf. Maureen

OPPS! Sorry but the below year census should have been 1920 - NOT 1930. Sorry for the error. However, it shows the yr she applied and the year she was naturalized but I can't read it now. Also saw on list that the information on the 'naturalized' shows lots more information. So will try to research those papers after my eye operation for cadaracks on Jan 30 and Feb 6th. Thank you. Gloria in Mississippi USA ----- Original Message ----- From: forbesd To: Prussia- Roots Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 7:26 AM Subject: Honig - Prussia Just joined the list: 1930 census for Amherst County, VA Elon Dist. shows Bobie Gottschall born: Prussia speaks German.She came to America abt 1856 as Barbara Honig age 16. Met and married my great grandfather John Henry Gottschall from Zurick Switzerland. Story goes her mother died and her father remarried to younger woman so she came to USA. Her father owned and operated a 'brewery' either in Hamburg or Berlin. I am trying to find out her father's (Honig) and mother's first name. How would I find a business that far back? Can someone help me? Thank you. Gloria in Mississippi (transplant from VA USA) forbesd@bellsouth.net

Stephanie, You did not give the first name of your great-grandfather, so I don't know if this is the right family or not in the 1900 and 1930 census. But, if it is, you might want to look for a marriage record of him and his wife Barbara, circa 1894, possibly in Passaic County, New Jersey. The name of the husband in the 1900 census was indexed as Denard, but on the actual record, it looks like Benard. The name of the husband in the 1930 census was indexed as Mariana, and on the actual record, it also looks like Mariana, but was a male, with wife Barbara. I am sure that this is the same family in both census. I couldn't find them in 1910 and 1920. I would check for a marriage record because if the immigration years are correct for both persons, 1892 for Benard/Mariana, and 1891 for Barbara, then they most likely married here in the U.S. I would also check for immigration papers for Benard/Mariana. Even if he didn't become naturalized (final papers), he may have started the naturalization process with his declaration of intent (1st papers), and petition for naturalization (2nd papers). These 2 papers would hold the most genealogical information. In the 1900 census, Benard stated that he had filed 1st papers, probably in Passaic County. Hope this helps, Ruth Pokorny ------------- 1900 census Paterson Ward 6, Passaic County, New Jersey Denard (Benard) Pittroff, head, age 39, married 6 years, born January 1861 Germany, parents born Germany, emigrated 1892, 1st papers Parbert (Barbara) Pittroff, wife, age 33, married 6 years, 4 children, 4 living, born January 1867 Germany, parents born Germany, emigrated 1891 Alma C Pittroff, daughter, age 5, born July 1894 New Jersey, parents born Germany Annie P Pittroff, daughter, age 3, born February 1897 New Jersey, parents born Germany William P Pittroff, son, age 1, born July 1899 New Jersey, parents born Germany Ellise Pittroff, daughter, age 1 month, born May 1900 New Jersey, parents born Germany ---------- 1930 census Totowa, Passaic County, New Jersey Mariana Pittroff, head, age 69, married age 32, born abt 1861 Germany, parents born Germany, emigrated 1892 Barbara Pittroff, wife, age 63, married age 28, born abt 1867 Germany, parents born Germany, emigrated 1891 William Pittroff, son, age 31, born abt 1899 New Jersey, parents born Germany Elsie Pittroff, daughter, age 29, born abt 1901 New Jersey, parents born Germany Martha Pittroff, daughter, age 26, born abt 1904 New Jersey, parents born Germany George Pittroff, son, age 24, born abt 1906 New Jersey, parents born Germany

I am trying to located the orgin of my Prussian GG Grandparents. John (Shite) Scheidt was born in about 1812 in what I believe is Hesse-Nassau... His wife's name was Elizabeth...She was born about 1814. They had their first two children in Hesse-Nassau. Wilhelmina was born in 1840, Willhelm was born in 1845. To my knowledge, they were Catholics. They immigrated to the USA somewhere between 1845 and 1850 and settled in Missouri. When they first came to the United States they went by Shite, this was later changed to Scheidt. I have exhausted all ideas of how search any further so any help or ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Kathy Adams

Stephanie, Basing origins on region or occupation is a 50/50 chance, at best. It's a shotgun in the dark. Instead, you need to find more information in records of your gr-grandfather's adopted country. If you look hard enough, there's a better than 3 to 1 chance you'll find the names of his parents and/or siblings (maybe even his church name in the old country). You'll need that to verify that you have the correct family once you get into BMD records over there . . . LDS has microfilmed a ton of records for Danzig that you can go rent at your nearest Family History Center. Here's a link to those holdings (cut and paste the entire thing into your browser if it 'breaks' in this posting) . . . http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitydetails&subject=51761&subject_disp=Germany%2C+Preu%C3%9Fen%2C+Westpreu%C3%9Fen%2C+Danzig&columns=*,0,0 BUT, before you go searching in those records, you need to develop more information about your gr-grandfather in records of his new country, first. Otherwise, you'll be grasping at straws . . . Good luck LGO -----Original Message----- >From: "Stephanie P." <animalloverz@comcast.net> > >MabelHello Everyone.. Hope the New Year is treating everyone well. > >Might anyone have an idea where the name PITTROFF originated? I understand that names could come from a region or an occupation. My great grandfather was born in Danzig West Prussia in 1861 but I can find ZERO trace of him and/or his family. He died in Paterson New Jersey in 1943 after working in the silk mills (like everyone else at the time I guess!) and I'm wondering if that may be a link to his history in Prussia. > >Thanks to anyone and everyone who may have a clue.. 'cause I sure don't! > >Sincerely, >Stephanie W. Pack

MabelHello Everyone.. Hope the New Year is treating everyone well. Might anyone have an idea where the name PITTROFF originated? I understand that names could come from a region or an occupation. My great grandfather was born in Danzig West Prussia in 1861 but I can find ZERO trace of him and/or his family. He died in Paterson New Jersey in 1943 after working in the silk mills (like everyone else at the time I guess!) and I'm wondering if that may be a link to his history in Prussia. Thanks to anyone and everyone who may have a clue.. 'cause I sure don't! Sincerely, Stephanie W. Pack animalloverz@comcast.net

The Schemioneck family departed Hamburg for Australia in 1876. The transcript of the passenger list I have says they came from Smowen West Prussia and is annotated "can find no town of this name". Because the name is Slavic and appears to occur most often in the Masurian area of current Poland, I have run with the idea that it is possibly Summowen East Prussia (now Sumowo Poland). A death certificate indicates that the couple were married in Gumbinnen which would also place them in East Prussia. However, I now have a scan of the original passenger list. The town certainly looks like Smowen and it is definitely West Preussia. Can anyone suggest a West Prussian location that could be Smowen? The maiden name of Elisabeth Schemioneck on her death certificate is Nicklass. On the passenger list only a few lines from the family is an Ernestine Nicholaus aged 23 and "ledig" - unmarried. The town she comes from has more letters than Smowen and is also in West Prussia. The transcript says that it is Schneidemuhl (umlaut over the u) which is now Pila Poland. This is all pure speculation but I am wondering if there is a connection between Elisabeth and Ernestine. When I get home to my records I will check the archives for a marriage record for Ernestine. Would there be a town with a name like Smowen near to Schneidemuhl? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Nell Schemioneck

Thanks for the answer to my question. This clears up my own confusion. I was never sure how the translator got Alfons Stefan from Alfredchen. Thanks for your generosity. Dottie

Alfredchen's name was Alfred. "-chen" is a suffix meaning "little," and within families was/is tacked onto the name of just about any young child. Bob Copeland

I am trying to find where my ggrandfather, Nicholas Niederprum originated. He was born 15 Jul 1834 in Truisa, Prussia and he married Eva Huber, but don't know the date or place. Eva was born about 1838 either in Prussia or Bavaria. Nicholas is in the 1860 census in Kentucky with one son, Nicholas. In 1870 he is found in New York with Eva and 2 sons, Nicholas and Frank. It is all I have as my father's family has the idea that because they are dead we don't need to know anything about them. I would greatly appreciate any leads or help sent my way. Thank you for your assistance. Jane --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games.

Thank you Karl for your reply. Yes I do have this info if you will note I sent the info to Dusty Rhoades with the permission of my cuz who did all the research on this side of our family. However, I am interested in going back further to our ggrandmother's father & mother. Eleanor's notes state that Barbara left Germany and came to America because her father married a younger woman and that he owned a brewery. She doesn't have his name only Honig. 1930 census shows 'Bobie Gottschall' is from Prussia and her naturalization dates and living with her daug Guyer in Amherst County, Elon Dist VA. Karl Roussin wrote: To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Honig - Prussia > Gloria > Here is some records , maybe You have these already , however the Given > name of Barbara is BEULAH ANN HONIG . > > ID: I29246 > Name: John Henry GOTTSCHALL , Sr. 1 > Sex: M > Name: John Henry GOTTSCHALL 2 3 > Name: John GUTTCHALL 4 > Birth: 12 JUN 1831 in Zurich, Switzerland 3 > Birth: ABT 1831 in Switzerland 4 > Birth: ABT 1831 in Zurick, Switzerland 1 > Birth: UNKNOWN in Zurick, Switzerland 2 > Death: 9 APR 1899 in Amherst County, Virginia 3 > Death: AFT JUN 1880 4 > Death: BEF JUN 1900 5 > Occupation: 1880 Farmer 4 > Census: 1880 Both parents born in Switzerland 4 > > Marriage 1 Beulah Ann HONIG b: 17 JUL 1845 in Hamburg, Germany > Married: ABT 1860 3 > Married: BEF 1869 1 > Children > Lillie Catherine GOTTSCHALL b: ABT AUG 1869 in Virginia > John Henry GOTTSCHALL , Jr. b: ABT DEC 1872 in Virginia > Leonard James GOTTSCHALL b: 3 OCT 1874 in Virginia > David GOTTSCHALL , Sr. b: 10 MAY 1876 in Virginia > Lucinda GOTTSCHALL b: ABT 1878 in Virginia > Ulrich GOTTSCHALL b: ABT MAR 1880 in Virginia > Frederick GOTTSCHALL b: 10 MAR 1884 in Virginia > Lula Mae GOTTSCHALL b: ABT 1887 in Virginia > Minnie GOTTSCHALL b: ABT 1888 in Virginia > William Merle GOTTSCHALL b: 26 NOV 1891 in Amherst County, Virginia > > Sources: > Title: Richard T. Rhoads, Jr.-Researcher > Repository: > Call Number: > Media: Other > Title: Email from Gloria Forbes date 10/1/2005 > Title: Genealogy report on Descendants of John Henry Gottschall prepared > and > compiled by Eleanor Gottschall Bryant provided on 10/20/2005 > Author: Eleanor Gottschall Bryant > Repository: > Call Number: > Media: Other > Title: 1880 VA, Amherst County, Elon District, District 17, Stamped page > 175 > C, Page 23, Image 23, June 14, 1880 > Title: 1900 VA, Amherst County, Magruders Precinct, Elon TWP, District 10, > Stamped page 88, Sheet 8 A, Image 1, June 5, 1900 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "forbesd" <forbesd@bellsouth.net> > To: "Prussia- Roots" <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 7:26 AM > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Honig - Prussia > > From' > Karl Roussin > ============================== > > >> Just joined the list: 1930 census for Amherst County, VA Elon Dist. >> shows > Bobie Gottschall born: Prussia speaks German.She came to America abt 1856 > as > Barbara Honig age 16. Met and married my great grandfather John Henry > Gottschall from Zurick Switzerland. Story goes her mother died and her > father remarried to younger woman so she came to USA. Her father owned and > operated a 'brewery' either in Hamburg or Berlin. I am trying to find out > her father's (Honig) and mother's first name. How would I find a business > that far back? Can someone help me? Thank you. Gloria in Mississippi > (transplant from VA USA) forbesd@bellsouth.net >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 1/16/2007 > 4:36 PM > >

Liebe This is a link to a new glossary of 'old occupations'. It has not been completed but should be helpful when finished. mit freundlichen Grüße, Deirdre http://german.about.com/library/blgenevoc_berufe.htm

> I have a letter in which the mother signs off with her name, her husband's and then her son Alfredchen. > Would this be his name as it stands? I have had it transcribed as Alfons Stefan. Would this be correct? His given name is Alfred, "Alfredchen" means "little Alfred". -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen / kind regards Detlef Ziemann Meine Ahnen und ich / my ancestors and me: http://www.dziemann.de

Nell, There was a town located just south of Schneidemühl called "Stowen." Today it is called Stobno, Poland. Karen B. Whitmer

Hello all, I have numerous dead ends on my family tree that end in and around Moers. If have information such as Eick by Moers, Krefeld, and Moers itself. The dead end that interests me the most is Tilmann Kamanns who was married to Anna Weinberg. I know Anna hails from Moers and I am guess Tilmann does as well, but I have no location information on him. Tilmann was an original founder of the church I still attend and homesteaded the farm I grew up on and my father still lives on. From those church records I have found that Tilmann was born 5 aug 1822 and married Anna Katherine Weinberg who is from Eick by Moers, Germany. Anna was born on 21 dec 1835 and died on the 30 may 1922 in Carver County, MN. Tilmann died on the 10 november 1885 in Carver County, MN. Are there any resources or contacts anyone could recommend to further this limb of the tree? I did find some information regarding a Heinrich Kamanns who married a Bongardt who could be Tilmann's father but I cannot confirm. My grandfather was Henry and the church that Tilmann helped start is located in Bongards, MN and the first president of that church was a Bongardt. Sorry for the long message, but I thought any info might be helpful. Thanks much! Chad Kamann Carver, MN 952-984-7215

Hello to the inquirer! I have the same in my German Family background. Alfredchen is the deminuative of Alfred. In other words it really means "Little Alfred". Prost! Peter (Peterlein---Little or Baby Peter) Meyer in Chicago----I hope this is helpful.

I have a letter in which the mother signs off with her name, her husband's and then her son Alfredchen. Would this be his name as it stands? I have had it transcribed as Alfons Stefan. Would this be correct? Dottie

Hey Stan and Diane, Thanks. Diane...I don't think my mom's mom (John's Bio daughter) actually kept it. I do know where in MD they lived so I could write the MD Dept of Vital Records for it...as he died in the 1950s. Stan, that's how I found him. In the 1870 Census. I joined the Baltimore mailing lists too. Thanks. Shannan M Hinners -----Original Message----- From: prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Stanley M. Berkner Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 2:00 PM To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Surname: Harvey 1. Look up the 1860 and 1870 censuses for the Baltimore, MD, area. 2. Go to RootsWeb mailing lists for MD, and look for Baltimore. Join list. 3. While at RootsWe3b, look in 'Surnames' lists for HARVEY. That should get you started. Bye, Stan B. --- "Hinners, Shannan M Civ 573 ACSS/GFLDC" <Shannan.Hinners@robins.af.mil> wrote: > Ok. I'm a little baffled. > > My great grandfather John T Harvey was born in Baltimore, MD around > 1859. I know his mother's name is Caroline...she was Prussian by > birth. > It's all the info I have. I don't have any other information > following. > Any help would be great. > > Shannan M Hinners ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message