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    1. [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] FW: ca 1850s, East Prussia
    2. Ann Powers
    3. Dear Mr. Ross -- My Patzer relatives came to the US in 1866 from Obodowo, Kreis Flatow, West Prussia. I found information about them, 1800-1866, in the Evangelical [Lutheran] Church records for the Kreis. If your relatives came from the Lipka that is southwest of Gdansk, northwest of Bydgoszcz [Bromberg], then it is the same Kreis Flatow. It was in West, not East, Prussia. The LDS microfilmed church records for that area in 1958 and they should be available through your local Family Center. The reels I used were #245454, 245455, 245460, -and others. Naturally they are difficult to search, because of the unclear writing, and often the poor quality of the microfilm, but I did find information even though I don't speak German. The originals are in the Evangelical Archives in Berlin, and I too planned to visit there a few years ago. But only licensed researchers are allowed to use these old materials. So I hired a researcher, which was not expensive, and she turned up more information. I would like more research done, but she is now too busy to continue, so I am looking for someone else. I don't think there are civil records for the area anymore but there may be someplace. I would also like to any records that might give information about the military service of JOHANN PATZER, who was a sergeant in the artillery from about 1790 to the Peace of Tilsit in 1807. But I have no idea of regiment or other information. He was in Obodowo after 1807. As for Leipzig, I have no information, but if you find that there are records there from Kreis Flatow, please let me know. If you decide to travel to Kreis Flatow, I can supply the name of a local guide. He speaks Polish, German & English, and also could help with local research. Happy hunting! Ann Powers Connecticut USA Researching PATZER, PAULUS, ZIELKE WEST PRUSSIA -----Original Message----- From: prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ARoss14573@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:27 PM To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] ca 1850s, East Prussia T. Borns, --- I am looking for the children of Michael Rohs, born in Battrow, Kreis Flatow ---- I will be going to Germany to visit relatives (in some cases I know more genealogy than they do) and wish to visit the records office's in Berlin and also the one in Leipzig. Has anyone had experience with these two offices? Arnold Otto Ross <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/01/2007 02:20:27
    1. Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Prussian towns
    2. Dale & Linda Herrick
    3. See the article "Finding Where Your Ancestors Came From" on Origins Genealogy Bookstore web page at: http://www.OriginsBooks.com Linda On Feb 28, 2007, at 3:41 PM, Wes Ward wrote: > How would I go about finding what town or city my ancestry came > from in > Prussia? > > _________________________________________________________________ > With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few > simple tips. > http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/ > PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

    03/01/2007 12:42:57
    1. Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Prussian towns
    2. Hello Wes: I have found the best sources are not the readily available documents such as immigration/naturalization, etc., but instead the more obcure places such as in the records of the church the ancestor attended here in the US or in county histories or in probate records. Sometimes the records of the other children of the ancestor will give a place. Sheila K. -------------- Original message from "Wes Ward" <wildwes27@hotmail.com>: -------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    02/28/2007 05:37:43
    1. Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Prussian towns
    2. Detlef Ziemann
    3. > How would I go about finding what town or city my ancestry came from in > Prussia? Shiplists? Naturalisation documents? -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen / kind regards Detlef Ziemann Meine Ahnen und ich / my ancestors and me: http://www.dziemann.de

    02/28/2007 04:30:04
    1. Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Prussian towns
    2. Karl Roussin
    3. Wes Send in His full name and date of birth , someone may be able to find a record of Him. If You know His middle name , send that in too. Karl Roussin ================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wes Ward" <wildwes27@hotmail.com> To: <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 3:41 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Prussian towns > How would I go about finding what town or city my ancestry came from in > Prussia? > > _________________________________________________________________ > With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few > simple tips. > http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    02/28/2007 04:02:01
    1. Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] ca 1850s, East Prussia
    2. T. Borns, In what Kreis are the cities that you believe Rohs (Ross) came from? I can trace my ancestory with the last name of Rohs up to the mid 1800's and my ancestors then changed it to Ross. I am looking for the children of Michael Rohs, born in Battrow, Kreis Flatow and was married to Karoline W. Roeding on 9 Jan 1844 in Battrow. I would also like info on the parents of Michael Rohs. Mainly trying to get paper work for verification. Believe that one of the children was August Albert Rohs(Ross) born Nov. 1850 in Battrow and married Wilhelmine Gerth. Would like to also verify that this was a child of Michael and who were the other children? The village next to Battrow was Linde(now Lipka) and this is where my father was born and probably there were Rohs/Ross relatives there. Since the Germans were moved out of Poland after WWII there are no Rohs/Ross's in the area. I have found that my father and 2 aunts did not leave much information regarding relatives they left behind when they came to America. Looking for help from anyone. I will be going to Germany to visit relatives (in some cases I know more genealogy than they do) and wish to visit the records office's in Berlin and also the one in Leipzig. Has anyone had experience with these two offices? Arnold Otto Ross <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

    02/28/2007 03:27:25
    1. [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Prussian towns
    2. Wes Ward
    3. How would I go about finding what town or city my ancestry came from in Prussia? _________________________________________________________________ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline

    02/28/2007 02:41:23
    1. Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Prussian towns
    2. Myron E. Williams
    3. Yes, but absolutely the best source will be church records in the USA (or whatever country they immigrated to). Ships lists often omit those details. Naturalization orders often give only the country (or king) being repudiated. Declarations of intent to naturalize, I'm told, often contain more detail, but these are often lost. Happy Hunting. Myron E. Williams Crossville, TN Detlef Ziemann wrote: >> How would I go about finding what town or city my ancestry came from in >> Prussia? >> > > Shiplists? Naturalisation documents? > >

    02/28/2007 11:32:44
    1. Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Prussian towns
    2. Oh c'mon - that's very true, but you start the same way as everywhere else in Europe - you scour everything in the United States. There is a very, very long list of possiblities. Read through these message boards, go to Cyndislist.com, familysearch.org, if you haven't already. Contact genealogical societies where you live or anywhere else in the country - and public libraries and university libraries. Tell us who when what you have so far - perhaps somebody can point you in the right direction. Every one of us knows a little something - maybe a lot of something. Maureen ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

    02/28/2007 10:31:07
    1. Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Prussian towns
    2. With great difficulty

    02/28/2007 10:10:40
    1. Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Neu Doebritz, Kr Regenwalde, Pommern, Pr
    2. Arletta & Jim Webster
    3. Thanks to Dieter and Karen Whitmer for responding. You both were a great help. Dieter, I was not able to locate Nowa Dobrzyca, Poland, but I was using expedia and that may be the problem. Karen, I found Stara Dobrzyca, Poland and it is very close to Starogard. Another researcher told me that they found out that other family members were from Zonenow which is also close to Starogard and I've also located Zonenow on a historical map. However, the website http://www.geocities.com/regenwalde/villages.htm gives Sosnowo as the Polish name for Zozenow, and when I look it up on expedia, it is not in the right place!! Karen, you were right. The family was Evangelical/Lutheran. I'm curious how you are familiar with Bethel Cemetery. Do you have family buried there? Thanks again Arletta Webster Dieter Schimmelpfennig <webmaster@belgard.org> wrote: Neu Doeberitz ( Neu D"oberitz ), Kreis Regenwalde Ev. - Luth. Church: Stargordt, Kreis Regenwalde Catholic Church: Gruenhoff ( Gr"unhoff ), Kreis Regenwalde Civil Registration Office: Stargordt, Kreis Regenwalde 57 inhabitants in 1819 today Nowa Dobrzyca, Poland Dieter Schimmelpfennig Heimatkreisbearbeiter -- Der Kreis Belgard-Schivelbein in Pommern http://www.belgard.org Historische Einwohnerdatenbank / Historical Inhabitants Database http://www.belgard.org/Namen/index.htm Belgard-Schivelbein Mailingliste http://de.groups.yahoo.com/group/Kreis-Belgard ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    02/27/2007 09:43:23
    1. Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] finding the right church record location and other questions
    2. Bob Polk
    3. Hello list, I need to amend this, the Federal Courts began handling the immigration process in 1906. Prior to then we have to search the local court where they lived. This in most cases requires a personal visit to search through the old court records. Also may require some travel if the family member relocated from place to place. I went to the nearest office of the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, which happened to be Cincinnati, Ohio. I gave them what information I had for my grandfather, that was in August 2004. They sent me a letter on April11, 2005, enclosed were copies of all his Naturalization papers, including a index card from the Dept. of labor that his port of entry information could not be verified (stowaway). With this information in hand I went to the county clerk's office and found much better copies. The Declaration of Intention and the Petition for Naturalization has a wealth of information. After two and a half years of research, including a 3 week trip to Austria, I can recommend that this is what to seek out first. Contact information: U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security 2nd Floor, FOIA Unit 111Mass. Avenue, NW Washington, DC 20529 PHONE: 202-272-8273 FAX: 202-272-8331 Although it took awhile it was well worth the wait. And the information they sent was complete. REMEMBER, the more information you can provide the better. Thanx, Bob -----Original Message----- From: prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat or Roger Miller Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 7:38 PM To: prussia-roots Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] finding the right church recordlocationandother questions LGO, Yes, from the ships logs all I can tell is that they were there and that it is the right family unit of names and ages per our USA records. On the Naturalization Certificate - all I have is a copy from microfilm that I found at the Winona Historical Society - no signature, except the recording clerk and all filled in portions are in his same hand. It is only 1 page. When you say, "...it might shed some light on whether you have a copy that's an abstract or not.", what do you mean by an abstract? You give me hope that I may yet find documentation with a signature or a mark. The document I have is not a very good print (as microfiche prints seldom are) In the upper left had corner under the border design are 4 words in small type I cannot make out the first, but the rest says 'Certificate of Naturalization' Then in arched type across the entire certificate it reads: "United States of America". Beneath that is a seal that didn't print well, but what I see looks similar to a presidential seal today (I'm sure it is something else, but that I say it just to describe style) It is then followed by "State of Minnesota" across the entire document width and the next line is County of Winona. The we get into the body of the document. I hope this description helps determine what this document is. I can scan it and send you a copy if you're interested in looking it over closely. Thanks for the clues. In my youth I took an interest test to see what kind of work I was suited for and three possibilities came up: editor, photographer and detective. I ended up in derivatives of the first two (in film and video) yet this genealogical pursuit seems to be talking to the 'detective' in me. Regards, Roger Miller > [Original Message] > From: LGO <le_geefted_one@ix.netcom.com> > To: <patroger.miller@earthlink.net>; <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Date: 2/26/2007 12:18:42 AM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] finding the right church record locationandother questions > > Thanks for the note, Roger. > > Be careful with what you use as proof - Ship's logs are only proof being on the ship at that specific time and where departed from as well as where their destination was, nothing else. Likewise, census are not proof of anything other than residence on that specific date. I'm glad to hear you're using the other items as clues. You seem to have invested a lot of time so far and I'd hate to see your pedigree go astray on something like gedcoms. Common sense plays such a big part in genealogy and you seem to have your share. Kudos! > > Without looking at the naturalization certificate you have, I'm thinking you don't have a copy of the original one. Sounds like some type of abstract. I've never seen a naturalization certificate from anywhere that doesn't have a place for the subject's signature. Just so you know, sometimes those documents are more than one page and the place for signature might be on that second page. Is what you have only one page? You might try and find it in LDS microfilms just to be certain you have the complete document. Did the witnesses sign it, or is it the same handwriting for both names? Minuscule clues, I agree, but it might shed some light on whether you have a copy that's an abstract or not. Always question everything! > > Continue the good work, Roger. I suggest you get the LDS Research Guide for Germany from their web site. It's free to download and chock full of information about German records types. After all, if you don't know what record type holds the answers you want, how will you ever find it? > > Good luck, > > LGO > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Pat or Roger Miller <patroger.miller@earthlink.net> > >Sent: Feb 25, 2007 7:22 PM > >To: Prussia-roots <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > >Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] finding the right church record location and other questions > > > >LGO, > > > >Thank you for pointing me toward Meyer's Orts. I hope you aren't confused > >by my posting. In no way do I consider GEDCOM files proof. They are > >merely pointers for clues. That is why I listed the hard items I had first > >(i.e. the Ship's log, the various census, the naturalization certificate, > >the tombstone) as well as the assumptions I have made ('my' Jarischau > >chosen relative to Lissewken) > > > >There is no place on the Naturalization certificate for either a signature > >or a mark. The Certificate of Naturalization was administered in the State > >of Minnesota, county of Winona - not New York. I should have mentioned > >that, I'm sorry. There is no reference on his Naturalization certificate > >of any filings of intent either. Frankly, it's more of a 'fill in the > >blanks' form that noted that Frederick 'personally appeared before' The > >Honorable Lloyd Barber and goes on to list the district court, an act date > >April 14, 1802 that allows naturalization. It is witnessed by a Frederick > >Lambrzska and Jacob Runkels. It also has the line filled in that he has > >renounced his allegiance and fidelity to the 'reigning Sovereign of the > >Kingdom of Prussia' All of the blanks are filled in with the same > >handwriting which matches the signature of the court clerk. > > > >I will be going to an LDS library in the near future so I can view films. > >I'm just trying to get to the right film numbers. I appreciate your input > >and hope that others may chime in as well. > > > >Regards, > >Roger Miller ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/703 - Release Date: 2/26/2007 2:56 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/703 - Release Date: 2/26/2007 2:56 PM

    02/27/2007 05:37:45
    1. [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] unsubscribe
    2. unsubscribe <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

    02/27/2007 04:58:52
    1. Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Wilmink Family
    2. twilmink
    3. Thanks for your helpful comments. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: <Spaghettitree@aol.com> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Wilmink Family Hello Tom - I think it will help you to back up just a bit and concentrate on U.S. records, look at originals wherever you can, since transcriptions always carry errors to some degree. And get your hands on a good map - Hannover (the Duchy and the City) are in the northwest, Lower Saxony or Niedersachsen of present-day Germany, but Bavaria is in the southeast. Königsberg (or Koenigsberg) you have correctly found in East Prussia (remember to use the umlaut or add the e, otherwise it's misspelled) though little exists there now (and there is more than one Königsberg) - the archives in Berlin will be a place to look for those. And sadly, nothing is left of the beautiful city of Königsberg - everything, including the streets themselves, was destroyed. But the answers to finding villages must be tackled in the USA - every scrap of paper or photo you can find - churches, naturalizations, fraternal organizations, newspapers, cemeteries and tombstones, obits, voter registrations, tax records, probates, city directories, applications for marriage licenses and many more - and if you've been searching only on line, try the public and genealogical libraries - there are some good libraries with Germanic collections. Each village, kreis, state in Germany and elsewhere has its own data and method of recording it (or lack of it!) and there is no huge central archive for all of Germany, even though more and more is going on line each day. Also check everything in familysearch.com and Cyndislist.com if you haven't already. Get on the RootsWeb message boards for Bavaria and Lower Saxony and Military. Ancestry.com is now huge. Try looking under V - since Wilmink would be pronounced Vilmink there. You already have multiple spellings and that's a good sign - collect them all, since they do change over time and place and language. There were no spelling rules until about 125 years ago and many, many people could neither read nor write anyway. Keep looking! Maureen ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    02/27/2007 03:17:55
    1. Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Juhnke
    2. Karl Roussin
    3. Bill Here is a record of a Carl Junke over a 2 year span +or- , it is the only Junke name listed , all the others are spelled different. CARL JUHNKE Male ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Event(s): Birth: 10 AUG 1831 Christening: 14 AUG 1831 Niederzehren, Westpreussen, Preussen Death: Burial: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Parents: Father: CHRISTIAN JUHNKE Mother: ANNA SABLOCKA Karl Roussin ==================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Rietdorf" <billsbox@surewest.net> To: <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 11:16 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Juhnke > Hello Listers, > A friend is searching for info on Juhnke surname. Carl emigrated in May, 1857 and settled 1st in Milwaukie, WI > and then in Strasburg, IL [1872]. He was age 27 in 1857. > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > Bill Rietdorf > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    02/27/2007 02:48:23
    1. Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Christian Friedrich HERBST
    2. Beyers Herbst
    3. Hi there, Just some feedback on my research so far. Turns out that the father of Willem Jacobus HERBST, who submitted the info that Karl posted earlier, is my grandfather's brother. We will be collaborating our research now to see what else we can uncover. Thanks to everyone who contributed so far - I'm sure we'll have some more questions as we go along! The picture is getting clearer. Kind regards, Beyers

    02/26/2007 11:59:10
    1. [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Juhnke
    2. Bill Rietdorf
    3. Hello Listers, A friend is searching for info on Juhnke surname. Carl emigrated in May, 1857 and settled 1st in Milwaukie, WI and then in Strasburg, IL [1872]. He was age 27 in 1857. Any help will be much appreciated. Bill Rietdorf

    02/26/2007 02:16:16
    1. Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] finding the right church record location and other questions
    2. Bob Polk
    3. Greetings, I went to the nearest office of the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, which happened to be Cincinnati, Ohio. I gave them what information I had for my grandfather, that was in August 2004. They sent me a letter on April11, 2005, enclosed were copies of all his Naturalization papers, including a index card from the Dept. of labor that his port of entry information could not be verified (stowaway). With this information in hand I went to the county clerk's office and found much better copies. The Declaration of Intention and the Petition for Naturalization has a wealth of information. After two and a half years of research, including a 3 week trip to Austria, I can recommend that this is what to seek out first. Contact information: U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security 2nd Floor, FOIA Unit 111Mass. Avenue, NW Washington, DC 20529 PHONE: 202-272-8273 FAX: 202-272-8331 Although it took awhile it was well worth the wait. And the information they sent was complete. REMEMBER, the more information you can provide the better. Thanx, Bob -----Original Message----- From: prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat or Roger Miller Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 7:38 PM To: prussia-roots Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] finding the right church recordlocationandother questions LGO, Yes, from the ships logs all I can tell is that they were there and that it is the right family unit of names and ages per our USA records. On the Naturalization Certificate - all I have is a copy from microfilm that I found at the Winona Historical Society - no signature, except the recording clerk and all filled in portions are in his same hand. It is only 1 page. When you say, "...it might shed some light on whether you have a copy that's an abstract or not.", what do you mean by an abstract? You give me hope that I may yet find documentation with a signature or a mark. The document I have is not a very good print (as microfiche prints seldom are) In the upper left had corner under the border design are 4 words in small type I cannot make out the first, but the rest says 'Certificate of Naturalization' Then in arched type across the entire certificate it reads: "United States of America". Beneath that is a seal that didn't print well, but what I see looks similar to a presidential seal today (I'm sure it is something else, but that I say it just to describe style) It is then followed by "State of Minnesota" across the entire document width and the next line is County of Winona. The we get into the body of the document. I hope this description helps determine what this document is. I can scan it and send you a copy if you're interested in looking it over closely. Thanks for the clues. In my youth I took an interest test to see what kind of work I was suited for and three possibilities came up: editor, photographer and detective. I ended up in derivatives of the first two (in film and video) yet this genealogical pursuit seems to be talking to the 'detective' in me. Regards, Roger Miller > [Original Message] > From: LGO <le_geefted_one@ix.netcom.com> > To: <patroger.miller@earthlink.net>; <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Date: 2/26/2007 12:18:42 AM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] finding the right church record locationandother questions > > Thanks for the note, Roger. > > Be careful with what you use as proof - Ship's logs are only proof being on the ship at that specific time and where departed from as well as where their destination was, nothing else. Likewise, census are not proof of anything other than residence on that specific date. I'm glad to hear you're using the other items as clues. You seem to have invested a lot of time so far and I'd hate to see your pedigree go astray on something like gedcoms. Common sense plays such a big part in genealogy and you seem to have your share. Kudos! > > Without looking at the naturalization cetificate you have, I'm thinking you don't have a copy of the original one. Sounds like some type of abstract. I've never seen a naturalization certificate from anywhere that doesn't have a place for the subject's signature. Just so you know, sometimes those documents are more than one page and the place for signature might be on that second page. Is what you have only one page? You might try and find it in LDS microfilms just to be certain you have the complete document. Did the witnesses sign it, or is it the same handrwriting for both names? Minscule clues, I agree, but it might shed some light on whether you have a copy that's an abstract or not. Always question everything! > > Continue the good work, Roger. I suggest you get the LDS Research Guide for Germany from their web site. It's free to download and chock full of information about German records types. After all, if you don't know what record type holds the answers you want, how will you ever find it? > > Good luck, > > LGO > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Pat or Roger Miller <patroger.miller@earthlink.net> > >Sent: Feb 25, 2007 7:22 PM > >To: prussia-roots <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > >Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] finding the right church record location andother questions > > > >LGO, > > > >Thank you for pointing me toward Meyer's Orts. I hope you aren't confused > >by my posting. In no way do I consider GEDCOM files proof. They are > >merely pointers for clues. That is why I listed the hard items I had first > >(i.e. the Ship's log, the various census, the naturalization certificate, > >the tombstone) as well as the assumptions I have made ('my' Jarischau > >chosen relative to Lissewken) > > > >There is no place on the Naturalization certificate for either a signature > >or a mark. The Certificate of Naturalization was administered in the State > >of Minnesota, county of Winona - not New York. I should have mentioned > >that, I'm sorry. There is no reference on his Naturalization certificate > >of any filings of intent either. Frankly, it's more of a 'fill in the > >blanks' form that noted that Frederick 'personally appeared before' The > >Honorable Lloyd Barber and goes on to list the district court, an act date > >april 14, 1802 that allows naturalization. It is witnessed by a Frederick > >Lambrzska and Jacob Runkels. It also has the line filled in that he has > >renounced his allegiance and fidelity to the 'reigning Sovereign of the > >Kingdom of Prussia' All of the blanks are filled in with the same > >handwriting which matches the signature of the court clerk. > > > >I will be going to an LDS library in the near future so I can view films. > >I'm just trying to get to the right film numbers. I appreciate your input > >and hope that others may chime in as well. > > > >Regards, > >Roger Miller ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/703 - Release Date: 2/26/2007 2:56 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/703 - Release Date: 2/26/2007 2:56 PM

    02/26/2007 02:11:55
    1. Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Bessarabia
    2. Herb: You are probably already familiar with this site, but just in case not: http://www.ahsgr.org/ American Historical Society of Germans from Russia Sheila K. -------------- Original message from Herbert Teske <herb29@sbcglobal.net>: -------------- >> ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    02/26/2007 02:01:10
    1. [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Teskje in Bessarabia
    2. Rosemarie
    3. Herb Also look at the Germans from Russia Heritage Society at http://www.grhs.com/ Check the Research Resources tab at the top. There is also is a Listserv but can't find the subscription page at the moment. Rose > I'm interested in any kind of help with this: My gggrandfather was Peter > Teske, one of the colonists of Paris, Bessarabia, in 1816. The only > information I have from the Bessarabian Church Family Books is that he was > born in "West Prussia in 1717." Does anyone have any information on West > Prussia and the region/village from which he might have originated or how > such information might be obtained? Any response is appreciated. > > Herb Teske

    02/26/2007 12:26:23