To list: Was Berlin part of Prussia in the year 1820? And what specific area/state can I reference for Geneaological records in that time period? Thank you, Tom Landmesser

Yes, Brandenburg. Stan B. --- maltom <maltom@worldlynx.net> wrote: > To list: > > Was Berlin part of Prussia in the year 1820? And what specific > area/state > can I reference for Geneaological records in that time period? > > Thank you, > Tom Landmesser ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097

Ruth, You might be looking for "Stretzin" in Kreis Schlochau, West Prussia. Karen B. Whitmer <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Through an old family document, "Permission to Go Abroad", issued by the Ev Lutheran Church, Sudargen/Sudargas, Lithuania, I was able to find a film for this place. It was an index film and had the birth info for my grandmother and my great grandmother and children. It is the only film for Sudargen on FHLC. Can anyone tell me if Sudargen was ever part of East Prussia? Sudargen is right on the border. Gustav Halbe (Halb) emigrated in 1868 and said he was from Koenigberg and his wife (listed as Emma) emigrated in 1871 with daughter Johanna and said she was from Lasdehnen (or at least these were their last residences). These towns are now in the part of East Prussia that was given to Russia after WW II. I have researched all relevant documents in the US and only find "Germany" as where they emigrated from. I am hoping someone can tell me how or where to write for earlier records for Sudargen. I have looked on the Meyers-Orts Lexicon and do not find Sudargen nor on Kartenmeister. Can someone give me a clue as how to decipher the info printed in the Meyers-Orts? You can now access this on Ancestry. It lists 7 towns for Lasdehnen and one of them, at least, seems fairly near to Sudargen. I am looking for Lutheran church records. There seems to be little I can find to do research in the Russian East Prussia. Anyone have some links? Does anyone know where the old Ev Lutheran church records might be held if not destroyed in the war or after the war? I understand the Russians did a JOB on this area and I would like to know more about conditiond there now. Are tourists going to this area and is it safe to travel there? Would there be a prime area in present day Germany where the Germans from East Prussia fled to after the war where I might write? Researching HALBE/HALB and PIECK (PYK) Homesteaded in Dakota Territory and lived later in Swanwick, Perry, IL Thanking all who might help me. Lois, Concord, NH --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.

From: Rujan2000@aol.com Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Stretzen? To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d0b.a4c29f0.331e43d6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Is there an area or town in Germany or West Prussia called Stretzen? This was the given homeland on immigration to Castle Garden index. Please respond to the list if possible. Ruth J. Thompson There is a village by that name near Preuss Friedland (modern Debrzno), Kreis Schlochau, West Prussia. Here are some pictures .... (the Remus family lived there too) http://www.cba.hawaii.edu/remus/genes/wprussia/Stretzin/ regards Bill

Is there an area or town in Germany or West Prussia called Stretzen? This was the given homeland on immigration to Castle Garden index. Please respond to the list if possible. Ruth J. Thompson <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

It's probably the former Stettin, now in Poland (since after WW2) and with polish spelling which I don't have handy, but I think it's Sczezin.A April in Canada t 08:11 PM 3/5/2007, you wrote: >Is there an area or town in Germany or West Prussia called Stretzen? This >was the given homeland on immigration to Castle >Garden index. Please respond >to the list if possible. > >Ruth J. Thompson ><BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free >email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at >http://www.aol.com. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: >3/5/2007 9:41 AM

Betty, Thank-you for the information, will have to look into "Riewe" Interesting, never thought of spelling it that way, but can see where it may be possible. Thank-you, again. Sandy Browning ----- Original Message ----- From: <IamCzech@aol.com> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 4:42 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Riebe name > Have you tried RIEWE? Have much info on the Riewe name which is often > found > spelled as Riebe/ Rube and other unexpected spellings. The villages in > kreis > Wirsitz often are found with the Riewe spelling. Betty > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi listers. I have struck a snag whilst trying to find someone with the name of Truloff in Germany via the telephone book links for a member of my family here in Australia. I was assured that all I needed was a name but it isn't working. I've also tried different districts and am getting nowhere. There must be some Truloffs there. Some time ago I had some success with the Lehmann name but I did have a town to enter. What I want is to find a few Truloffs in Germany to correspond with and then maybe later on one of the Australian Truloffs may visit. Hope someone can throw some light on the subject for me. Thank you Miriam lehmann.

Have you tried RIEWE? Have much info on the Riewe name which is often found spelled as Riebe/ Rube and other unexpected spellings. The villages in kreis Wirsitz often are found with the Riewe spelling. Betty <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

I am fairly new to the list. MÜLLER/MILLER is one of our family names. August Ferdinand MÜLLER/MILLER, born abt 1817 in Germany. He married Charlotte Fredricka THOMAS. At some point the family moved to Berlin. August died - unknown. Their daughter Marie Lousie married Bernard Gustav Bruno RÜGER/RUEGER he abt 1889. From Berlin, Marie/Mary immigrated with other family members to the Chicago area between 1890-1895. Marie's daughter Adelheid, my ggrandmother said the family was from Alsace. If this helps anyone, including me, great! Mary Ann Wandell

underscribe thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bette McIntosh" <bmcintosh@new.rr.com> To: "LGO" <le_geefted_one@ix.netcom.com> Cc: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] DOI info - (was RIEBE - East Palestine, Ohio) > LGO, Thank you for the informative nudge to redirect my search for the > DOI > paperwork. I have located the LDS film numbers for the Superior Court @ > Buffalo, Erie Co., NY during the time frame in question. Now on to the > next > steps... > > Thanks for the help. > Bette > > >> What would be reasonable to do at this point? Find the DOI to complete >> this segment of research by renting microfilms of the Erie County court >> records at your nearest LDS Family History Center (don't write the court >> as I explained on another posting a little while ago). Scour those >> records. There are 125 microfilms in the set so you will need to choose >> and review the indexes carefully. >> >> Even if you find the DOI and it yields no new information, you will know >> that you have completed the search on the naturalization records and >> there >> is nothing left to find there. That's important to know, too! :) >> >> Good luck> >> LGO > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I had a fortunate event...a distant relative had a birth certificate of one of her relatives that listed the birthtown of the mother (my great-aunt) in Prussia. check everywhere, with everyone. I was on this quest for 15 years. -----Original Message----- From: gensearcher@att.net To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com; PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Prussian towns Hello Wes: I have found the best sources are not the readily available documents such as immigration/naturalization, etc., but instead the more obcure places such as in the records of the church the ancestor attended here in the US or in county histories or in probate records. Sometimes the records of the other children of the ancestor will give a place. Sheila K. -------------- Original message from "Wes Ward" <wildwes27@hotmail.com>: -------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Hello Miriam, in Germany there are no Truloffs in the telefonebook, but there are 5 Trueloff. Go to the webside _www.dasoertliche.de_ (http://www.dasoertliche.de) , delete the field "Ort PLZ Vorwahl" and search for the name Trueloff. Greetings, Martin Dirr

Ruth J. Thompson: I am "shirt tail" related to the family whose member was the Mayor of Linde during the 1930's. He had 4 children that are still alive and living in Northern Germany. The one son is interested in genealogy and has much info about the LInde area. His name is Reinhard Bullert. I have visited with the Bullert family. You can say that Arnold Ross gave you his name and here is his e-mail address: _bullert-thoms@t-online.de_ (mailto:bullert-thoms@t-online.de) Arnold Otto Ross Following is a message sent by Jane regarding micro film for the Battrow/Linde area. I asked her to aid me in getting the microfilm. Arnold You may already be aware of this but just in case. The FHL film 1496970 has parish register transcripts of births, marriages and deaths for Battrow, Westpreussen, Germany; now Batorowo, Koszalin, Poland; an affiliate of Grunau parish --- Kirchenbuchduplikat, 1798-1874. I have the film on indefnite loan and if you'd like I could see if the marriage in 1844 is there before you order the film? Jane West Fargo, ND An ancestor of mine, Anna Lubnow, her father Franz Lubnow and mother Auguste Koetzing may have been from the area you have mentioned in the following post. Anna said she was from Linde Germany. YOUR POST in Prussia Roots: ca 1850s, East Prussia "The village next to Battrow was Linde(now Lipka) and this is where my father was born and probably there were Rohs/Ross relatives there." I know this family had strong Lutheran ties and continued in this faith after coming to America in 1884-1885. A brother of Franz named Carl/Charles/Karl came later to Rochester, New York, but he came about 1890. Carl's surname appears to be spelled Lubneau in Rochester records. Believe this family was Carl, Caroline, Gustave, Ottillie and I would be interested if you could let me know if there are LDS films within this time frame for searching, or how have you researched for your kin? Or do you have further knowledge you could share. I am from Rock Island, Illinois Ruth J. Thompson <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

LGO, Thank you for the informative nudge to redirect my search for the DOI paperwork. I have located the LDS film numbers for the Superior Court @ Buffalo, Erie Co., NY during the time frame in question. Now on to the next steps... Thanks for the help. Bette > What would be reasonable to do at this point? Find the DOI to complete > this segment of research by renting microfilms of the Erie County court > records at your nearest LDS Family History Center (don't write the court > as I explained on another posting a little while ago). Scour those > records. There are 125 microfilms in the set so you will need to choose > and review the indexes carefully. > > Even if you find the DOI and it yields no new information, you will know > that you have completed the search on the naturalization records and there > is nothing left to find there. That's important to know, too! :) > > Good luck> > LGO

Bette, Would a 19th century DOI hold more information than the final naturalization papers? Since there was no standardization of documents until 1906, you just don't know until you look. I have seen Civil War era DOIs from Iowa that hold more personal info than DOIs from New York City of the same time period. I would not have expected that. You never know . . . Beyond, "You never know" it's difficult to speculate (hope?) what can be found in the DOI because you haven't stated what you have found in the final papers. What would be reasonable to do at this point? Find the DOI to complete this segment of research by renting microfilms of the Erie County court records at your nearest LDS Family History Center (don't write the court as I explained on another posting a little while ago). Scour those records. There are 125 microfilms in the set so you will need to choose and review the indexes carefully. Even if you find the DOI and it yields no new information, you will know that you have completed the search on the naturalization records and there is nothing left to find there. That's important to know, too! :) Good luck LGO -----Original Message----- >From: Bette McIntosh <bmcintosh@new.rr.com> >Sent: Mar 4, 2007 11:21 AM >To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] RIEBE - East Palestine, Ohio > >Hello, My question, would Declaration of Intention papers, perhaps filed >as early as the time period 1859-1885, contain much information? I have >final papers dated 1887 (Cuyahoga Co., Ohio) which state that the DOI was >made in "Superior Court, Buffalo, Erie Co., NY more than two years ago" To >date the Erie Co. Clerk's Office has not been able to locate the DIO >paperwork for the individual. What steps would be reasonable to take at >this point of the search effort? > >Thank you, >Bette

Sandy, The key to finding and proving origins in foreign records is to find three things first in the records of the immigrant's new country; 1.) Name and birth date of the immigrant. 2.) City/town/village/dorf where the immigrant was born. 3.) Confirming information such as the name of the parents (preferable) or siblings. Having these works well in searches of rural areas of Germany, but is also necessary when searching large urban areas, too (llike Berlin). Finding this information in the records of the immigrant's new country is the most time consuming part of the search, not the search of records in the old country. It's a necessary part that far too many researchers avoid. I would say over 90% of the time all of this information can be found if the researcher is dilligent in the search. While it's tempting to try and "jump the pond" into German records once some of the three items are found, don't do it until you have all three pieces of data nailed down. You talk about writing to the courts in Ohio and possibly making a trip there. Don't do it. That's the hard way. Overworked and underpaid civil servants are not going to look for all the records of our ancestors as diligently as we are. They (agency employees) are not there to spend hours combing the records for a genealogist's ancestor, and field trips are costly and not always successful if the researcher hasn't prepared properly. The alternative is to make use of LDS microfilms (and a lot cheaper). An LDS Family History Center is always closer to home than a trip to another state. By renting microfilms at the LDS FHC a researcher can be as dilligent as they need to be in scouring the records for ancestors. They are much more motivated to finding them than those civil servants on-site. They are also not subject to time contratraints like they would be on a field trip. You spoke (in a later posting) of his naturalization in Lisbon, Ohio, as well as his residence in East Palestine. Don't focus on the city, focus on the county. They are both in Columbiana County, Ohio. Many more records containing our ancestors were created at the county level than at the city level. I bet you can find the declaration of Intent if you rent records at your nearest LDS FHC. LDS has microfilmed many records for Columbiana County. Don't forget searching church records. Those many times will yield the parent's names that you need in your search (see confirming information, above). Always exhaust the records created at time of death - there are many to review (that's surprising to some genealogists). Only after exhausting the LDS microfilms for Columbiana County should you consider a field trip there to search through what LDS does NOT have on microfilm. Once you have the names of the parents, you can go look for them in the Berlin City Directories (Address-Buch) which can be rented through LDS. That will help narrow down your search area in the Berlin records - the LDS Library Catalog shows over 50 areas that comprise Berlin. There is even a microfilm of a map of Berlin showing the different civil registration districts. You very well may need to use that at some point in your search. There is still much work in American records that needs to be done, I'm sorry to say, but be dilligent, work smart and that will save you a tremendous amount of time when you finally begin the search in the Berlin records. Good luck, LGO -----Original Message----- >From: Sandy Browning <ladyq@mowisp.net> >Sent: Mar 3, 2007 9:55 PM >To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Riebe name > >My great-grandfather is my "Brickwall". According to his death certificate, he was born in Berlin, but I have no idea what sector. I do not have a middle name, all I have is Frank (Frances) Riebe, born July 24, 1850. It is possible that he may also have had the name Wilhelm or Carl (Karl?) Unfortunately, all his papers were destroyed in a house fire some years back and the relatives that would have known something about him, have all passed away. Per, naturalization paper (a copy) he immigrated to the United States in November, 1871. Have not been able to find his Declaration of Intent. Will probably have to make a trip later to East Palestine, Ohio (where he settled, later moving to Alliance, Ohio, where he passed away in 1925. I have copies of the 1880, 1900, 1910 census records, but he is missing in the 1920 census records. My grandfather was raised Luthern. I have searched various spellings, such as Rebe, Reby, Ribey, Rabey, and such. Is there someone that ma! y! > give me the origin of the name Riebe? Any help would be appreciated, I am new to researching, and know that I have a long way to go. All census records indicate "Prussia" with various immigration dates. Have information on his family line once he was in the United States, but nothing previously. He was unmarried at the time he came here. >Thank-you. >Sandy Browning >Missouri, USA > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Janet, Researching in German records often times requires knowledge of the German alphabet. In your case, it's the use of the umlaut that's causing the problem . . . You say that LDS has no records for Uelzen, and that's true. The town name's first letter is "U" with an umlaut so you correctly translated that to "Ue" in your spelling of it and search in the LDS library catalog. However, you need to try the search in the catalog without the "Ue" and only the "U" - Ulzen. You'll be pleasantly surprised at what you will find for this place in Hannover. When searching for names with an umlaut you need to search both ways; With the "e" added after the vowel, and without the "e". I would have tried the search the exact same way you did. Good luck, LGO -----Original Message----- >From: DSore10588@aol.com >Sent: Mar 4, 2007 7:58 AM >To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com, hannover-l@genealogy.net, NIEDERSACHSEN@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Molzen, Uelzen and Dannenberg > >I have a question please. > >A while back I posted that I had discovered on a ship record that my family >came from Molzen. I have been waiting ever since for those films to arrive. >They finally arrived but so far I have only found the husband's birth >record. None of his wife's family, which is my direct line, are in these records. >Another ship record listed Uelzen, but I cannot find any films in the LDS >catalog for Uelzen. Someone emailed me and gave me the name and email address >of someone in Germany that had helped her with Uelzen records. I had >contacted him but he said he didn't have anything for Molzen. Now I would like to >ask him about Uelzen but I no longer have his information. I would really >appreciate having that information again. > >Also, does anyone have any suggestions for other towns to try? This couple >met and married in Germany so I know that the family has to be close to >Molzen somewhere. The marriage license of a sister says that they were from >Dannenberg. So somewhere around Dannenberg, Molzen and Uelzen. > >Thank you very much. > >Janet

Hello, My question, would Declaration of Intention papers, perhaps filed as early as the time period 1859-1885, contain much information? I have final papers dated 1887 (Cuyahoga Co., Ohio) which state that the DOI was made in "Superior Court, Buffalo, Erie Co., NY more than two years ago" To date the Erie Co. Clerk's Office has not been able to locate the DIO paperwork for the individual. What steps would be reasonable to take at this point of the search effort? Thank you, Bette > You may want to ask the Court in Lisbon about his Declaration of Intent. > These usually have a lot of info. Much more than the citizenship decree. > Note that it may no longer be available. It may be in the "loose > papers". It may have been filed in a different court, possibly even in a > different state. But it is worth asking about. > > Myron E. Williams > Crossville, TN