Karen, I thought the same too regarding Bavaria never being a part of Prussia, but one day I was in my local LDS center and I met someone who had been doing a lot of German genealogy and he pointed out a map that showed that it actually was as one point in time. I'm not sure of the year, but I can try and get a hold of him to find out. I was very surprised. ----- Original Message ----- From: WhitmerJ@aol.com To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] ROSENHAUER FAMILY Sue, No doubt your ancestor was born in Bayern (English Bavaria,) as that place was very often mispelled in the records. Bavaria was never part of Prussia, however, so you might want get help about this family from the Roots mailing list _http://www.rootsweb.com/_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/) that covers Bavaria. Also, remember there was no "Germany" before 1871, so the census takers listed the province or duchy names instead. Karen B. Whitmer ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sue, No doubt your ancestor was born in Bayern (English Bavaria,) as that place was very often mispelled in the records. Bavaria was never part of Prussia, however, so you might want get help about this family from the Roots mailing list _http://www.rootsweb.com/_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/) that covers Bavaria. Also, remember there was no "Germany" before 1871, so the census takers listed the province or duchy names instead. Karen B. Whitmer ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

On Apr 15, 2007, at 7:42 AM, Okla1915@aol.com wrote: > > Hi, I did figure that bayen was mis spelled in the 1860 census for my > Rosenhauer's, figured I'ed spell it as it was on the census sheet, > I'm not great on > German pl;ace name spelling. I have tp much info stating my > Rosenhauers were > from Baveria, I just can't get any farther back then the 1960 > census for > Dupage county ILL. How many spellings of the name do you know? The 1860 census doesn't list him as Rosenhauer but rather as Rosenhous. I don't see any Rosenhauer families in Illinois or Michigan in the 1870 census. Regards, Debra ---- http://sakionline.net/familypage

I am looking for information about the Shloskie family. My great grandmother was Agnes Marie Shloskie. Her father was a servant to the Zar of Prussia. They fled to Switzerland and changed their name to Zimmerman. My great grandmother was born on 7.12.1876 while her family were waitng for a ship to bring them to New Zealand. Any information I will gladly appreciate. regards Mary.

In genealogy.... most everything and most every spelling is possible! Record it all for future reference. Regards, Robert Lipprandt ================== Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] ROSENHAUER FAMILY Hello List - I am wondering if "Byane" is a terrible mis-spelling of the German name for Bavaria ( which is Bayern). Does anyone have this same idea? I once ran across the birth place as "Bion", and it turned out to be Bayern. Elizabeth in Tacoma =====================

Hi, My first thought was that Byane might be Bayern (Bavaria). Disregard weird spelling at your peril!! Kay List Ruckle Okla1915@aol.com wrote: Hi, I'm having real problems with my Rosenhauer family who came from Germany. Below is what I have and really not sure where to go next. 1860 Census Dupage Co. ILL John Rosenhauer, Find the surname spelled many different way's John- Age 56-Born Byane Betsey- Age 49-Born Byane Charles- Age 20 William- Age 19 George- Age 13 Says in the 1860 census all children were born in Byane, not sure if the place of birth is spelled right, but Byane is how it was spelled in the census. John had another son George, he married Anna ? where unknown, there 1st 2 children were born in ILL. but can't find out where. John was 1st married to Bertha ? Not sure if this Betsey , John & Bertha divorced at some time, have this info from land records. listed in the 1860 census is his wife or not, dosen't say. Anyway John was here in Muskegon MI. by March 1862 because he brought land here, dosen't give any date of death in his probate record. Just list his children. Now Charles and William were both in the Civil war, Charles joined here in Muskegon, when he was in the Hospital during the was, he states he was German decent, and next of kin was his father John, who lived in Muskegon. William joined in Naperville, Dupage ILL.he states he was born in Baveria, but no town or village listed. William came to Muskegon after the Civil War was over, both Charles and William was in the Civil War till the end, both joined in 1862. Now Charles was married to Elizabeth Ottis in the 1870 census, the census states Charles was Prussian and so was his parents. At some point Charles married Alice Baker, or at least they lived together as man and wife, no marriage record could be found here in Muskegon, Alice wasn't able to draw on Charles's pension because she couldn't she was married to him or that she was divorced from her 1st husband in Port Huron MI., from the 1880 census on till Charles died, the census has him born in every place but Germany, assume Alice really didn't know where is was born and Charles was real hard of hearing and don't think he was able to give any info. Alice had a problem with not being able to prove Charle's 1st wife was dead either. Big problem I'm having with where John, his 1st wife Bertha, there son George and his wife and Johns youngest son George Jacob were buried here in Muskegon, i know Johns land was near the Air Port here in Muskegon. Sue Okla1915@aol.com ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

Sue, You're not ready to delve into German records yet. You need more information. Your next step is to track down this "Byane" that's listed as the birthplace on the census. I'm guessing that's a potentially terrible mis-spelling by the census taker. When you do get a better idea of it, go to the nearest genealogy library or LDS Family History Center and look up the place name in "Meyer's Orts." If you find it in Meyer's Orts, you've got a correct place name and can find out where the records (both church and civil) were kept (<-- Meyer's Orts will tell you that, too). Again, before you go jumping into German records, find out the birthdate and either the parent's names or sibling's names for your immigrant ancestor. These can be found 90% of the time in the records of the immigrant's new country. This information will be used to identify if you have the correct person in German records, as well as to confirm it's the correct family. Trying to jump into foreign records too quickly, although tempting when a little info is found, is one of the biggest mistakes (and wastes of time) that genealogists make. Arm yourself with the correct place name, date of birth, and names of parents and/or siblings, and your task will be infinitely easier (and much more likely successful) when you do go into German records. Good luck, LGO -----Original Message----- >From: Okla1915@aol.com >Sent: Apr 14, 2007 11:04 AM >To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] ROSENHAUER FAMILY > >Hi, I'm having real problems with my Rosenhauer family who came from >Germany. Below is what I have and really not sure where to go next. > >1860 Census Dupage Co. ILL >John Rosenhauer, Find the surname spelled many different way's >John- Age 56-Born Byane >Betsey- Age 49-Born Byane >Charles- Age 20 >William- Age 19 >George- Age 13 >Says in the 1860 census all children were born in Byane, not sure if the >place of birth is spelled right, but Byane is how it was spelled in the census. >John had another son George, he married Anna ? where unknown, there 1st 2 >children were born in ILL. but can't find out where. > John was 1st married to Bertha ? Not sure if this Betsey , John & Bertha >divorced at some time, have this info from land records. listed in the 1860 >census is his wife or not, dosen't say. Anyway John was here in Muskegon MI. >by March 1862 because he brought land here, dosen't give any date of death in >his probate record. Just list his children. > Now Charles and William were both in the Civil war, Charles joined here >in Muskegon, when he was in the Hospital during the was, he states he was >German decent, and next of kin was his father John, who lived in Muskegon. >William joined in Naperville, Dupage ILL.he states he was born in Baveria, but no >town or village listed. William came to Muskegon after the Civil War was >over, both Charles and William was in the Civil War till the end, both joined in >1862. > Now Charles was married to Elizabeth Ottis in the 1870 census, the >census states Charles was Prussian and so was his parents. At some point Charles >married Alice Baker, or at least they lived together as man and wife, no >marriage record could be found here in Muskegon, Alice wasn't able to draw on >Charles's pension because she couldn't she was married to him or that she was >divorced from her 1st husband in Port Huron MI., from the 1880 census on till >Charles died, the census has him born in every place but Germany, assume Alice >really didn't know where is was born and Charles was real hard of hearing and >don't think he was able to give any info. Alice had a problem with not being >able to prove Charle's 1st wife was dead either. > Big problem I'm having with where John, his 1st wife Bertha, there son >George and his wife and Johns youngest son George Jacob were buried here in >Muskegon, i know Johns land was near the Air Port here in Muskegon. > > >Sue >Okla1915@aol.com > > > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List - I am wondering if "Byane" is a terrible mis-spelling of the German name for Bavaria ( which is Bayern). Does anyone have this same idea? I once ran across the birth place as "Bion", and it turned out to be Bayern. Elizabeth in Tacoma ----- Original Message ----- From: "LGO ô¿ô" <le_geefted_one@ix.netcom.com> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Cc: <Okla1915@aol.com> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] ROSENHAUER FAMILY > Sue, > > You're not ready to delve into German records yet. You need more > information. Your next step is to track down this "Byane" that's listed as > the birthplace on the census. I'm guessing that's a potentially terrible > mis-spelling by the census taker. When you do get a better idea of it, go > to the nearest genealogy library or LDS Family History Center and look up > the place name in "Meyer's Orts." If you find it in Meyer's Orts, you've > got a correct place name and can find out where the records (both church > and civil) were kept (<-- Meyer's Orts will tell you that, too). > > Again, before you go jumping into German records, find out the birthdate > and either the parent's names or sibling's names for your immigrant > ancestor. These can be found 90% of the time in the records of the > immigrant's new country. This information will be used to identify if you > have the correct person in German records, as well as to confirm it's the > correct family. > > Trying to jump into foreign records too quickly, although tempting when a > little info is found, is one of the biggest mistakes (and wastes of time) > that genealogists make. Arm yourself with the correct place name, date of > birth, and names of parents and/or siblings, and your task will be > infinitely easier (and much more likely successful) when you do go into > German records. > > Good luck, > > LGO > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Okla1915@aol.com >>Sent: Apr 14, 2007 11:04 AM >>To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] ROSENHAUER FAMILY >> >>Hi, I'm having real problems with my Rosenhauer family who came from >>Germany. Below is what I have and really not sure where to go next. >> >>1860 Census Dupage Co. ILL >>John Rosenhauer, Find the surname spelled many different way's >>John- Age 56-Born Byane >>Betsey- Age 49-Born Byane >>Charles- Age 20 >>William- Age 19 >>George- Age 13 >>Says in the 1860 census all children were born in Byane, not sure if the >>place of birth is spelled right, but Byane is how it was spelled in the >>census. >>John had another son George, he married Anna ? where unknown, there 1st 2 >>children were born in ILL. but can't find out where. >> John was 1st married to Bertha ? Not sure if this Betsey , John & >> Bertha >>divorced at some time, have this info from land records. listed in the >>1860 >>census is his wife or not, dosen't say. Anyway John was here in Muskegon >>MI. >>by March 1862 because he brought land here, dosen't give any date of >>death in >>his probate record. Just list his children. >> Now Charles and William were both in the Civil war, Charles joined >> here >>in Muskegon, when he was in the Hospital during the was, he states he was >>German decent, and next of kin was his father John, who lived in >>Muskegon. >>William joined in Naperville, Dupage ILL.he states he was born in >>Baveria, but no >>town or village listed. William came to Muskegon after the Civil War was >>over, both Charles and William was in the Civil War till the end, both >>joined in >>1862. >> Now Charles was married to Elizabeth Ottis in the 1870 census, the >>census states Charles was Prussian and so was his parents. At some point >>Charles >>married Alice Baker, or at least they lived together as man and wife, no >>marriage record could be found here in Muskegon, Alice wasn't able to >>draw on >>Charles's pension because she couldn't she was married to him or that she >>was >>divorced from her 1st husband in Port Huron MI., from the 1880 census on >>till >>Charles died, the census has him born in every place but Germany, assume >>Alice >>really didn't know where is was born and Charles was real hard of hearing >>and >>don't think he was able to give any info. Alice had a problem with not >>being >>able to prove Charle's 1st wife was dead either. >> Big problem I'm having with where John, his 1st wife Bertha, there >> son >>George and his wife and Johns youngest son George Jacob were buried here >>in >>Muskegon, i know Johns land was near the Air Port here in Muskegon. >> >> >>Sue >>Okla1915@aol.com >> >> >> >> >>************************************** See what's free at >>http://www.aol.com. >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi, I'm having real problems with my Rosenhauer family who came from Germany. Below is what I have and really not sure where to go next. 1860 Census Dupage Co. ILL John Rosenhauer, Find the surname spelled many different way's John- Age 56-Born Byane Betsey- Age 49-Born Byane Charles- Age 20 William- Age 19 George- Age 13 Says in the 1860 census all children were born in Byane, not sure if the place of birth is spelled right, but Byane is how it was spelled in the census. John had another son George, he married Anna ? where unknown, there 1st 2 children were born in ILL. but can't find out where. John was 1st married to Bertha ? Not sure if this Betsey , John & Bertha divorced at some time, have this info from land records. listed in the 1860 census is his wife or not, dosen't say. Anyway John was here in Muskegon MI. by March 1862 because he brought land here, dosen't give any date of death in his probate record. Just list his children. Now Charles and William were both in the Civil war, Charles joined here in Muskegon, when he was in the Hospital during the was, he states he was German decent, and next of kin was his father John, who lived in Muskegon. William joined in Naperville, Dupage ILL.he states he was born in Baveria, but no town or village listed. William came to Muskegon after the Civil War was over, both Charles and William was in the Civil War till the end, both joined in 1862. Now Charles was married to Elizabeth Ottis in the 1870 census, the census states Charles was Prussian and so was his parents. At some point Charles married Alice Baker, or at least they lived together as man and wife, no marriage record could be found here in Muskegon, Alice wasn't able to draw on Charles's pension because she couldn't she was married to him or that she was divorced from her 1st husband in Port Huron MI., from the 1880 census on till Charles died, the census has him born in every place but Germany, assume Alice really didn't know where is was born and Charles was real hard of hearing and don't think he was able to give any info. Alice had a problem with not being able to prove Charle's 1st wife was dead either. Big problem I'm having with where John, his 1st wife Bertha, there son George and his wife and Johns youngest son George Jacob were buried here in Muskegon, i know Johns land was near the Air Port here in Muskegon. Sue Okla1915@aol.com ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Anettka and interested others, Yes, I neglected to mention a critical point in my initial query to the mail list. I have always considered LDS/FHL films as resource # 1 and, yes, I have checked the online LDS Library Catalog for films in the known area of my West Prussian research interests. Unfortunately, the towns & villages where my ancestors were born/christened are not included in the LDS (Mormon) film database. Thanks for bringing this oversight, on my part, to my attention. My query would have been much more informative/factual had I remembered to mention.... the obvious choice for economical & efficient research, the FHL films; an option I have already considered & covered, although unsuccessfully, I would be interested to learn where I should look for, as you state it, "alternate locations for these records in Civil Government hands, if not in church hands." The specific West Prussian towns of my interest would include Krumfliess, Arnsmuhle, Wissulke & Schrotz (for vital records) ca. 1818-1862. Thanks to all who have written with suggestions to check LDS/FHL films but under the circumstances, in my particular case, that is not a solution. Bette As a result, many of these records from "German Poland" have been filmed. >there is a website that show where there are records > for the various parish/towns in West Prussia. I've found that while not > all > years are available on the LDS records, there are always alternate > locations > for these records in Civil Government hands, if not in church hands. I > suggest > you start with LDS records; certainly their access is easier and cheaper. > I've not yet tried to write the gov't archives holding the records, but > they are > not always state archives, but can also be civil/regional archives. > > Anettka > > **************************** > In a message dated 4/13/2007 12:06:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Bette: > > On a personal note, however, after spending a small fortune on Roman > Catholic Church records (an 1840 marriage & eleven subsequent birth > records > for one family in what was then West Prussia, now Poland) I am questioning > what other options I might have had. In my case, there were no extant > church records to be had at the local level since the R.C. Church records > of > my interest had apparently been removed from the local parish to the R.C. > Diocese Archives, at a distant location.

Bette, I have an ancestor from West Prussia whose family I successfully researched using the records filmed by the LDS. Apparently, these records were ones removed from the area they lived to East Germany, where the Communists controlled them until the fall of the wall..The German thinking was that the people in them included ethnic Germans, and they, being record fiends, wanted them to be in their hands. My understanding is that many records were returned to today's Poland. However, while in German hands, the gov't at that time decided they did not want to find themselves in the situation of many German cities destroyed during the war with no records for their citizens. They approached the LDS and asked if they would film them for them - isn't that a turn of events? This info was provided to me by an acquisitions person with the FHL in SLC- and verified by the fact that the film 'preface' contains location of filming info and it was not in Poland!. As a result, many of these records from "German Poland" have been filmed. There is a website that show where there are records for the various parish/towns in West Prussia. I've found that while not all years are available on the LDS records, there are always alternate locations for these records in Civil Government hands, if not in church hands. I suggest you start with LDS records; certainly their access is easier and cheaper. I've not yet tried to write the gov't archives holding the records, but they are not always state archives, but can also be civil/regional archives. Anettka **************************** In a message dated 4/13/2007 12:06:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Bette: On a personal note, however, after spending a small fortune on Roman Catholic Church records (an 1840 marriage & eleven subsequent birth records for one family in what was then West Prussia, now Poland) I am questioning what other options I might have had. In my case, there were no extant church records to be had at the local level since the R.C. Church records of my interest had apparently been removed from the local parish to the R.C. Diocese Archives, at a distant location. In order to obtain these records, far fewer in number & scope than I had hoped for by the way, it was necessary for me to hire a Polish citizen/professional researcher to interface with the R.C. Diocese Archives on my behalf. This was a costly arrangement which resulted in far fewer records in number than I might have been able to afford to buy had I been able to deal with the church at the local level. I assume that the same parallel situation may exists for some areas and church affiliations in Germany today. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hallo Mitglieder der Liste, Ich lebe in Frankreich in PARIS, so entschuldigen Sie meine schlechte deutsche Schrift. Ich suche nach einige Ahnen von Freunde die aus Brandenburg kamen. Aber ist es für mir ein bischen schwer, weil weiss ich nicht wo muss ich fragen. Ich suche nach Gottlob Oscar Robert LOESCHE (vielleicht auch LÖSCH) geb. in GORDEN beim OPPELHAIN am 16. Februar 1856. Ich weis dass er in Frankreich am 5. Oktobre 1880 mit Marie REMY verheiratet war. Gottlob LOESCHE war der Sohn von Gottlob verstorben am 29. November 1859 in GORDEN beim OPPELHAIN und Clirissine FERRY. Ich werde sehr froh wenn Jemand der Liste mir helfen kann. Dank im Voraus Beste Grüsse Christophe LAGRANGE Ma généalogie : http://www.geneanet.org/contact.php3?source=teuf1

Hello Christophe For all records that are listed online Check out http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp or http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ or http://www.surnamenavigator.org/ Just fill out the blanks , and click " search " , or " go " Karl Roussin ----- Original Message ----- From: "c lagrange" <dunbarne@gmail.com> To: <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:26 AM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Ahnenforschung LOESCHE in GORDEN beim OPPELHAIN Hallo Mitglieder der Liste, Ich lebe in Frankreich in PARIS, so entschuldigen Sie meine schlechte deutsche Schrift. Ich suche nach einige Ahnen von Freunde die aus Brandenburg kamen. Aber ist es für mir ein bischen schwer, weil weiss ich nicht wo muss ich fragen. Ich suche nach Gottlob Oscar Robert LOESCHE (vielleicht auch LÖSCH) geb. in GORDEN beim OPPELHAIN am 16. Februar 1856. Ich weis dass er in Frankreich am 5. Oktobre 1880 mit Marie REMY verheiratet war. Gottlob LOESCHE war der Sohn von Gottlob verstorben am 29. November 1859 in GORDEN beim OPPELHAIN und Clirissine FERRY. Ich werde sehr froh wenn Jemand der Liste mir helfen kann. Dank im Voraus Beste Grüsse Christophe LAGRANGE Ma généalogie : http://www.geneanet.org/contact.php3?source=teuf1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bill It looks like you have solved my problem with the town names. The site you sent has alot of interesting information on it too. Thank you very much for your help. Lonnie >From: William Remus <remus@hawaii.edu> >Reply-To: remus@hawaii.edu, prussia-roots@rootsweb.com >To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Town names by Zempelburg >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:10:07 -1000 > > > > > > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Town names by Zempelburg > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am hoping someone can help me find some towns. I am currently > > looking > > > at > > > a microfilm of Zempelburg, West Prussia. My Schmidt family > > comes from > > > the > > > town of Nichorcz. > > > > > > The towns names I am having trouble with are something like > > > Zbose.....Flosia......Lalesch. I am new to reading German > > letters, so > > > some > > > of the letters may not be right. These towns would be around > > the > > > Zempelburg > > > area in 1870-1878 the time of the microfilm. The map I have > > doesn't have > > > any towns that look anything like the names I have given. > > > > > > Thank you in advance for any help you can give me. > > > > > > Lonnie Scallen > >Dear Lonnie >You can find out a lot about Zbose at >http://www.cba.hawaii.edu/remus/genes/WPrussia/Zbosse/ > >The village you list first is Nichors and it is just north of Zempelburg on >the main highway. > >I cannot be sure about Flosia and Lalesch but they might be Klonia and >Salesch which are also villages in the area. > >Regards Bill Remus > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates Fall Again! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18679&moid=7581

Hello "LGO", I think that your advice & points made to Sharon, see below, were very well made. On a personal note, however, after spending a small fortune on Roman Catholic Church records (an 1840 marriage & eleven subsequent birth records for one family in what was then West Prussia, now Poland) I am questioning what other options I might have had. In my case, there were no extant church records to be had at the local level since the R.C. Church records of my interest had apparently been removed from the local parish to the R.C. Diocese Archives, at a distant location. In order to obtain these records, far fewer in number & scope than I had hoped for by the way, it was necessary for me to hire a Polish citizen/professional researcher to interface with the R.C. Diocese Archives on my behalf. This was a costly arrangement which resulted in far fewer records in number than I might have been able to afford to buy had I been able to deal with the church at the local level. I assume that the same parallel situation may exists for some areas and church affiliations in Germany today. Given the circumstances in the future, should the occasion arise, would there be some other, more economical way, to obtain the desired vital records assuming that it could be determined that the desired records were still in existence? Thank you, Bette > > None of these records are on-line (unless as an abstract, which isn't > considered "proof" of anything) and won't be for a great many years. The > only other way to access them is by writing to churches and archives in > Germany (not recommended, and expensive). > > LGO

Sharon Check out this following link for the German Military http://www.faqs.org/faqs/genealogy/german-faq/part3/section-1.html Karl Roussin ====================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Baldwin" <medved_1970@yahoo.com> To: <remus@hawaii.edu>; <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Guderian > I am looking for some information on Michael Guderian and his father Christian Guderian. Some of the information I have found shows that both were born in Dombrowke and others say Schubin. I know that Michael spent some time in the military, but I don't know if his father did as well. Both immigrated with their families to America about 1856. > > I would be interested in knowing more about the military time and anything else anyone might have or can point me to the direction of regarding these two people. > > I do know that Michael served his military time at Neu Schottland bei Schubin. > > Thanks! > Sharon Baldwin > > > --------------------------------- > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

-----Original Message----- >From: Sharon Baldwin <medved_1970@yahoo.com> > >I am looking for some information on Michael Guderian and his father Christian Guderian. >Some of the information I have found shows that both were born in Dombrowke and others say >Schubin. I know that Michael spent some time in the military, but I don't know if his >father did as well. Both immigrated with their families to America about 1856. > Sharon, There are church records available for rental on microfilm through your nearest LDS Family History Center for Dombrowke that cover the time frame you're interested in. There are three listings in Prussia for "Dombrowke" but each has church records back far enough that you should find what you're looking for. See the following . . . http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localityhitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&PLACE=Dombrowke&PARTOF=&prePLACE=Dombrowke&prePARTOF= Additionally, there are listings for Schubin but you may have to do some more digging in U.S. records to narrow it down as there are several choices, none in Prussia. http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localityhitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&PLACE=Schubin&PARTOF=&prePLACE=Schubin&prePARTOF= None of these records are on-line (unless as an abstract, which isn't considered "proof" of anything) and won't be for a great many years. The only other way to access them is by writing to churches and archives in Germany (not recommended, and expensive). Insofar as Prussian military service, it was required for all males once they reached a certain age (and one reason why so many left the country early in their lives <g>). Checking this mail list's archives is always a good practice. In the 10+ years that it's been around most questions have been asked and answered at least once <g>. Here's a three posting reply I made in 2002 that offers some tips and quotes on using/finding military records from how-to books and guides . . . http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PRUSSIA-ROOTS/2002-09/1033181137 http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PRUSSIA-ROOTS/2002-09/1033181637 http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PRUSSIA-ROOTS/2002-09/1033181882 You can do interactive searches at the following URL for other postings to military record searches (as there have been MANY postings about this every year) . . . http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Good luck, LGO

I am looking for some information on Michael Guderian and his father Christian Guderian. Some of the information I have found shows that both were born in Dombrowke and others say Schubin. I know that Michael spent some time in the military, but I don't know if his father did as well. Both immigrated with their families to America about 1856. I would be interested in knowing more about the military time and anything else anyone might have or can point me to the direction of regarding these two people. I do know that Michael served his military time at Neu Schottland bei Schubin. Thanks! Sharon Baldwin --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.

Hi, I'm happy to help but dare not guarantee results! Can you also give the parish or region these records were found - are they from an LDS FHL Film? Do make sure and accept all offers of help :-) Good luck, Bronwyn On 4/12/07, Susan Darbe Cieslak <suecieslak@comcast.net> wrote: > > Hello list....I have found two church records that I am having a hard time > translating. I was wondering if anyone on this list could help me. I saved > the page in PDF (adobe) format so I could send them. Please let me know if > anyone can help me with this. > > Sue > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Bill... have anything on Ostpreußen?? Regards, Robert Lipprandt ============================================= Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Town names by Zempelburg > >> >> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Town names by Zempelburg >> >> >> > >> > >> > I am hoping someone can help me find some towns. I am currently >> looking >> > at >> > a microfilm of Zempelburg, West Prussia. My Schmidt family >> comes from >> > the >> > town of Nichorcz. >> > >> > The towns names I am having trouble with are something like >> > Zbose.....Flosia......Lalesch. I am new to reading German >> letters, so >> > some >> > of the letters may not be right. These towns would be around >> the >> > Zempelburg >> > area in 1870-1878 the time of the microfilm. The map I have >> doesn't have >> > any towns that look anything like the names I have given. >> > >> > Thank you in advance for any help you can give me. >> > >> > Lonnie Scallen > > Dear Lonnie > You can find out a lot about Zbose at > http://www.cba.hawaii.edu/remus/genes/WPrussia/Zbosse/ > > The village you list first is Nichors and it is just north of Zempelburg > on the main highway. > > I cannot be sure about Flosia and Lalesch but they might be Klonia and > Salesch which are also villages in the area. > > Regards Bill Remus >