Judy, I couldn't make out the town in that census record. Two suggestions: check the death and cemetery records for Eric (and Bertha if they married in Germany). Town of origin is sometimes listed in them. Or else save the copy of that record to disk, solicit someone's help (maybe through a mailing list) who is familiar with German geography and deciphering these things and send it to them privately. There are Hempels all over Germany. Mine came from the Kingdom of Hanover (and before that Prussia) and all went to Massachusetts. Kenneth --- Judith Schweitzer <junan37@hotmail.com> wrote: > Kenneth, > Did any of your Hempel's settle in Milwaukee? I have > an Eric Hemphel who I > have been trying to locate his parents. They were > from Germany. But I can > not make out the name of the town in the 1920 > census. They are in the > Milwaukee, Wisconsin 1920. > > ERIC AND BERTHA HEMPEL > > Maybe you could take a look and see if you can > figure out the name of where > his father and mother were born. > Thank you > Judy > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Kenneth, Did any of your Hempel's settle in Milwaukee? I have an Eric Hemphel who I have been trying to locate his parents. They were from Germany. But I can not make out the name of the town in the 1920 census. They are in the Milwaukee, Wisconsin 1920. ERIC AND BERTHA HEMPEL Maybe you could take a look and see if you can figure out the name of where his father and mother were born. Thank you Judy From: K E <kenofnocal@yahoo.com> Reply-To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com To: prussia-roots-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] the Thieles of Stollberg, Sangerhausen District,Province of Saxony, Prussia Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Greetings, I've recently been able to determine the names of my 4th great-grandfather in my direct paternal line as well as the name of his wife, and I'm wondering if someone might be researching her family (the Thieles of Stollberg), or otherwise have an insight into them. My 3rd great-grandfather Carl Joseph Ernst Hempel was born 13 September 1822 in Stollberg (Harz) to Ernst Christoph Siegmund Hempel and Johanne Henriette Friederike Thiele. I don't yet have either of their dates of birth but my guess is that both were probably born between 1790 and 1804. I mentioned in a previous post about the Hempels that my family believed them to have been Jewish. The raft of vital records I just received from Osterode concering this family (Carl Hempel relocated to Osterode am Harz from Stolberg in the 1840s) indicates strong evidence they were practicing Lutherans and no evidence they were Jews; all the parish records relating to this family in Osterode were from Lutheran churches. On the other hand, my 2nd great-grandfather Carl August Willhelm Hempel (born 1850 in Osterode) attended an overwhelming Jewish school in nearby Seesen (the Institut Jacobson, which was founded by a Jewish philanthropist in 1802). Apparently the school also admitted a few Christians, but I'm still inclined to think this family may have been Jewish but converted in the 18th or early 19th century (perhaps in Stollberg). I'm also inclined to think however that the Thiele family I'm now searching for in Stollberg is probably more likely to have been Lutheran but I'm disinclined to make assumptions; I honestly have no idea. Thanks for any help you might be able to provide. Best regards, Kenneth __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates near historic lows. Refinance $200,000 loan for as low as $771/month* https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f8&disc=y&vers=689&s=4056&p=5117

-----Original Message----- From: prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of K E Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:54 PM To: prussia-roots-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] the Thieles of Stollberg, Sangerhausen District,Province of Saxony, Prussia "The raft of vital records I just received from Osterode concering this family " Kenneth Hi Kenneth: Wondering how you went about getting these records? Thanks, Jo-an __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kenneth For the online records Check out http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp or http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ or http://www.surnamenavigator.org/ Just fill out the blanks , and click " search " , or " go " If no records are online , then You will need to check out some FHC library films Karl Roussin ======================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "K E" <kenofnocal@yahoo.com> To: <prussia-roots-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:54 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] the Thieles of Stollberg, Sangerhausen District,Province of Saxony, Prussia > Greetings, > > I've recently been able to determine the names of my > 4th great-grandfather in my direct paternal line as > well as the name of his wife, and I'm wondering if > someone might be researching her family (the Thieles > of > Stollberg), or otherwise have an insight into them. My > 3rd great-grandfather Carl Joseph Ernst Hempel was > born 13 September 1822 in Stollberg (Harz) to Ernst > Christoph Siegmund Hempel and Johanne Henriette > Friederike Thiele. I don't yet have either of their > dates of birth but my guess is that both were probably > born between 1790 and 1804. I mentioned in a previous > post about the Hempels that my family believed them to > have been Jewish. > > The raft of vital records I just received from > Osterode concering this family (Carl Hempel relocated > to Osterode am Harz from Stolberg in the 1840s) > indicates strong evidence they were practicing > Lutherans and no evidence they were Jews; all the > parish records relating to this family in Osterode > were from Lutheran churches. On the other hand, my 2nd > great-grandfather Carl August Willhelm Hempel (born > 1850 in Osterode) attended an overwhelming Jewish > school in nearby Seesen (the Institut Jacobson, which > was founded by a Jewish philanthropist in 1802). > Apparently the school also admitted a few Christians, > but I'm still inclined to think this family may have > been Jewish but converted in the 18th or early 19th > century (perhaps in Stollberg). I'm also inclined to > think however that the Thiele family I'm now searching > for in Stollberg is probably more likely to have been > Lutheran but I'm disinclined to make assumptions; > I honestly have no idea. > > Thanks for any help you might be able to provide. > > Best regards, > > Kenneth > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have had very good success researching my Glass ancestors through the LDS church records of Braunsberg, Ostpreussen, but I'm stuck on my Teddick, Tidig, Theidich, etc family. Family tradition says that my great-great grandmother, Maria Louisa Teddick (Theidig, Teddich, etc.) was born in Dresden; however, I think it's much more likely that it was Danzig, West Prussia due to the proximity of her husband's family. Her tombstone gives a birth date of 29 Jun 1818. Her husband, my great-grandfather Hugo Glass was from Braunsberg (now Braniewo, Poland) and I've found his birth records, as well as many generations of his family, at the Katholische Kirche Sankt Katharina but no marriage records. Their first child, my great-grandfather Franz Glass, was born April 10, 1849 in Gross Kronau (Kronowo, Poland) and his birth is registered at Gross Lemkendorf (now Lamkowo, Poland), but again, none of his mother's family appears in the church records. One of the god parents on his christening certificate is a Franz Teddick (Theidig, Teddich, etc.) and I wonder if that may have been Maria Louisa's father. The family left Germany via Hamburg, on September 2, 1850 and arrived in Galveston, Texas on November 13, 1850. I am very interested in finding a marriage record for Hugo and Maria Louisa, which I believe took place around 1847 or 1848, and a birth record for Maria Louisa. I am hoping that someone could give me advice on where to look. I'm not very familiar with the history of that region during the 19th century and not very certain what other, nearby church parish records I should look for, or other resources. I feel that if I had a good map of all of the surrounding communities, their proximity to each other and a feel for what church parishes existed at that time that I'd have a good start. I've also read that even though the family was Catholic in that very protestant part of Prussia, that I should check protestant church records in that area since even Catholic and Jews sometimes had to register birth records at a protestant church if they were not close enough to their own church or synagogue. As for the Glass family; as I indicated, I was able to find very good records on them going as far back to around 1700. The church records started about 50 - 70 years before then, but my family didn't start showing up in their records until around 1700. Does anyone have any familiarity with migration history and have suggestion as to where they may have come from before settling in Braunsberg? Thanks for any help.

-----Original Message----- >From: Tanya Blum <azzkicknbtch2004@yahoo.com> > >I am looking for information on any Blums that were born in Prussia or a surrounding area. > While it's not like asking for any Smiths born in Texas, it's not far from it, either. If you post more specific information, you'll get better replies with more chances of success. Good luck, LGO

Thanks. There's also geneanet (which may be linked by surnamenavigator but I don't like to open so many panes at once). There are no Thieles of Stolberg (or as far as I can tell neighboring towns) listed in the major genealogical search engines online, including ancestry.com (which I have a subscription to). I submitted the query primarily because I was hoping someone might also be researching this family. A great deal of family history isn't online yet. --- Karl Roussin <kroussin@fidnet.com> wrote: > Kenneth > For the online records > > Check out > > > http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp > or > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ > or > http://www.surnamenavigator.org/ > > Just fill out the blanks , and click " search " > , or " go " > > If no records are online , then You will need to > check out some FHC > library films > > Karl Roussin > ======================================= > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "K E" <kenofnocal@yahoo.com> > To: <prussia-roots-l@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:54 PM > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] the Thieles of Stollberg, > Sangerhausen > District,Province of Saxony, Prussia > > > > Greetings, > > > > I've recently been able to determine the names of > my > > 4th great-grandfather in my direct paternal line > as > > well as the name of his wife, and I'm wondering if > > someone might be researching her family (the > Thieles > > of > > Stollberg), or otherwise have an insight into > them. My > > 3rd great-grandfather Carl Joseph Ernst Hempel was > > born 13 September 1822 in Stollberg (Harz) to > Ernst > > Christoph Siegmund Hempel and Johanne Henriette > > Friederike Thiele. I don't yet have either of > their > > dates of birth but my guess is that both were > probably > > born between 1790 and 1804. I mentioned in a > previous > > post about the Hempels that my family believed > them to > > have been Jewish. > > > > The raft of vital records I just received from > > Osterode concering this family (Carl Hempel > relocated > > to Osterode am Harz from Stolberg in the 1840s) > > indicates strong evidence they were practicing > > Lutherans and no evidence they were Jews; all the > > parish records relating to this family in Osterode > > were from Lutheran churches. On the other hand, my > 2nd > > great-grandfather Carl August Willhelm Hempel > (born > > 1850 in Osterode) attended an overwhelming Jewish > > school in nearby Seesen (the Institut Jacobson, > which > > was founded by a Jewish philanthropist in 1802). > > Apparently the school also admitted a few > Christians, > > but I'm still inclined to think this family may > have > > been Jewish but converted in the 18th or early > 19th > > century (perhaps in Stollberg). I'm also inclined > to > > think however that the Thiele family I'm now > searching > > for in Stollberg is probably more likely to have > been > > Lutheran but I'm disinclined to make assumptions; > > I honestly have no idea. > > > > Thanks for any help you might be able to provide. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Kenneth > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Greetings, I've recently been able to determine the names of my 4th great-grandfather in my direct paternal line as well as the name of his wife, and I'm wondering if someone might be researching her family (the Thieles of Stollberg), or otherwise have an insight into them. My 3rd great-grandfather Carl Joseph Ernst Hempel was born 13 September 1822 in Stollberg (Harz) to Ernst Christoph Siegmund Hempel and Johanne Henriette Friederike Thiele. I don't yet have either of their dates of birth but my guess is that both were probably born between 1790 and 1804. I mentioned in a previous post about the Hempels that my family believed them to have been Jewish. The raft of vital records I just received from Osterode concering this family (Carl Hempel relocated to Osterode am Harz from Stolberg in the 1840s) indicates strong evidence they were practicing Lutherans and no evidence they were Jews; all the parish records relating to this family in Osterode were from Lutheran churches. On the other hand, my 2nd great-grandfather Carl August Willhelm Hempel (born 1850 in Osterode) attended an overwhelming Jewish school in nearby Seesen (the Institut Jacobson, which was founded by a Jewish philanthropist in 1802). Apparently the school also admitted a few Christians, but I'm still inclined to think this family may have been Jewish but converted in the 18th or early 19th century (perhaps in Stollberg). I'm also inclined to think however that the Thiele family I'm now searching for in Stollberg is probably more likely to have been Lutheran but I'm disinclined to make assumptions; I honestly have no idea. Thanks for any help you might be able to provide. Best regards, Kenneth __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

I am looking for information on any Blums that were born in Prussia or a surrounding area. Tanya --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

LGO ô¿ô <le_geefted_one@ix.netcom.com> wrote: -----Original Message----- >From: Eileen Johnson > >I have serveral german ancestors who served in the military. Is there any >way to reserch these records? Any information will be appreciated. Eileen, This was posted here just three days ago . . . the last part of the reply deals with what you're asking about. LGO -----Forwarded Message----- >From: LGO ô¿ô >Sent: Apr 12, 2007 2:00 PM >To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com, remus@hawaii.edu >Cc: medved_1970@yahoo.com >Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Guderian > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Sharon Baldwin >> >>I am looking for some information on Michael Guderian and his father Christian Guderian. >>Some of the information I have found shows that both were born in Dombrowke and others say >>Schubin. I know that Michael spent some time in the military, but I don't know if his >>father did as well. Both immigrated with their families to America about 1856. >> > >Sharon, > >There are church records available for rental on microfilm through your nearest >LDS Family History Center for Dombrowke that cover the time frame you're interested >in. There are three listings in Prussia for "Dombrowke" but each has church records >back far enough that you should find what you're looking for. See the following. . . > >http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localityhitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&PLACE=Dombrowke&PARTOF=&prePLACE=Dombrowke&prePARTOF= > >Additionally, there are listings for Schubin but you may have to do some more >digging in U.S. records to narrow it down as there are several choices, none >in Prussia. > >http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localityhitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&PLACE=Schubin&PARTOF=&prePLACE=Schubin&prePARTOF= > > >None of these records are on-line (unless as an abstract, which isn't considered >"proof" of anything) and won't be for a great many years. The only other way to >access them is by writing to churches and archives in Germany (not recommended, >and expensive). > >Insofar as Prussian military service, it was required for all males once they >reached a certain age (and one reason why so many left the country early in >their lives ). Checking this mail list's archives is always a good practice. >In the 10+ years that it's been around most questions have been asked and >answered at least once . Here's a three posting reply I made in 2002 that >offers some tips and quotes on using/finding military records from how-to >books and guides . . . > > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PRUSSIA-ROOTS/2002-09/1033181137 > > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PRUSSIA-ROOTS/2002-09/1033181637 > > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PRUSSIA-ROOTS/2002-09/1033181882 > > >You can do interactive searches at the following URL for other postings to >military record searches (as there have been MANY postings about this every >year) . . . > >http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > >Good luck, > >LGO ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Lynda Doberstein

Probably the biggest help to you would be to locate the church this family attended. That's one of the best sources of records. Sheila K. -------------- Original message from Okla1915@aol.com: -------------- > Hi, I have parents, siblings and even everyone's children. I did find one > marriage for Emma Rosenhauer, later found her and her husband in the city > directory for Grand Rapids, what makes this research so tuff is that the census > went from 1880 to 1900, lost most of the children, even the family that lived > and died in Muskegon gives no burial place, John Rosenhauer, the father, his x > wife, John's son George, George Jacob, wife to the 1st George, found there > deaths at the court house but no cemetery. > > Sue > Okla1915@aol.com > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I have parents, siblings and even everyone's children. I did find one marriage for Emma Rosenhauer, later found her and her husband in the city directory for Grand Rapids, what makes this research so tuff is that the census went from 1880 to 1900, lost most of the children, even the family that lived and died in Muskegon gives no burial place, John Rosenhauer, the father, his x wife, John's son George, George Jacob, wife to the 1st George, found there deaths at the court house but no cemetery. Sue Okla1915@aol.com ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Eileen Another link to the German military records. http://www.faqs.org/faqs/genealogy/german-faq/part3/section-1.html Karl Roussin ====================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eileen Johnson" <ejohnson@forbin.net> To: <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 4:40 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] researching German military records > I have serveral german ancestors who served in the military. Is there any > way to reserch these records? Any information will be appreciated. > Eileen > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

-----Original Message----- >From: Eileen Johnson <ejohnson@forbin.net> > >I have serveral german ancestors who served in the military. Is there any >way to reserch these records? Any information will be appreciated. Eileen, This was posted here just three days ago . . . the last part of the reply deals with what you're asking about. LGO -----Forwarded Message----- >From: LGO ô¿ô <le_geefted_one@ix.netcom.com> >Sent: Apr 12, 2007 2:00 PM >To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com, remus@hawaii.edu >Cc: medved_1970@yahoo.com >Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Guderian > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Sharon Baldwin <medved_1970@yahoo.com> >> >>I am looking for some information on Michael Guderian and his father Christian Guderian. >>Some of the information I have found shows that both were born in Dombrowke and others say >>Schubin. I know that Michael spent some time in the military, but I don't know if his >>father did as well. Both immigrated with their families to America about 1856. >> > >Sharon, > >There are church records available for rental on microfilm through your nearest >LDS Family History Center for Dombrowke that cover the time frame you're interested >in. There are three listings in Prussia for "Dombrowke" but each has church records >back far enough that you should find what you're looking for. See the following. . . > >http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localityhitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&PLACE=Dombrowke&PARTOF=&prePLACE=Dombrowke&prePARTOF= > >Additionally, there are listings for Schubin but you may have to do some more >digging in U.S. records to narrow it down as there are several choices, none >in Prussia. > >http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localityhitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&PLACE=Schubin&PARTOF=&prePLACE=Schubin&prePARTOF= > > >None of these records are on-line (unless as an abstract, which isn't considered >"proof" of anything) and won't be for a great many years. The only other way to >access them is by writing to churches and archives in Germany (not recommended, >and expensive). > >Insofar as Prussian military service, it was required for all males once they >reached a certain age (and one reason why so many left the country early in >their lives <g>). Checking this mail list's archives is always a good practice. >In the 10+ years that it's been around most questions have been asked and >answered at least once <g>. Here's a three posting reply I made in 2002 that >offers some tips and quotes on using/finding military records from how-to >books and guides . . . > > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PRUSSIA-ROOTS/2002-09/1033181137 > > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PRUSSIA-ROOTS/2002-09/1033181637 > > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PRUSSIA-ROOTS/2002-09/1033181882 > > >You can do interactive searches at the following URL for other postings to >military record searches (as there have been MANY postings about this every >year) . . . > >http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > >Good luck, > >LGO

Bette This was a response from the Deutsch Krone list. ...Dear Jane, I think your "Schratz" means the location "Schrotz". Schrotz was a location with 1155 inhabitans in 278 households in the year 1939. The evangelish people belonged to Rosenfelde, the catholic parish had an wonderful church in Schrotz. Schrotz had an registration office and also an officedistrict in the location. The jurisdiction belonged to Deutsch Krone. Today Schrotz is polish called Skrzatusz. http://www.deutsch-krone.com/schrotz.htm You will found the location between the towns "Deutsch Krone" (polish called Walcz) and "Schneidemühl" (Pila). Please look at http://www.deutsch-krone.com/map-kron.htm Greetings from the Emsland Joachim Schulz ... I have not done any research at this time as this is not a direct ancestor. My g, grandmother's sister was married to Gustav KLEMM who indicated he was born here. There may be another town by the name of Schrotz, also. Jane North Dakota On 4/13/07, Bette McIntosh <bmcintosh@new.rr.com> wrote: > Anettka and interested others, > > Yes, I neglected to mention a critical point in my initial query to the mail > list. I have always considered LDS/FHL films as resource # 1 and, yes, I > have checked the online LDS Library Catalog for films in the known area of > my West Prussian research interests. Unfortunately, the towns & villages > where my ancestors were born/christened are not included in the LDS (Mormon) > film database. > > Thanks for bringing this oversight, on my part, to my attention. My query > would have been much more informative/factual had I remembered to > mention.... the obvious choice for economical & efficient research, the FHL > films; an option I have already considered & covered, although > unsuccessfully, > > I would be interested to learn where I should look for, as you state it, > "alternate locations for these records in Civil Government hands, if not in > church hands." The specific West Prussian towns of my interest would include > Krumfliess, Arnsmuhle, Wissulke & Schrotz (for vital records) ca. 1818-1862. > > Thanks to all who have written with suggestions to check LDS/FHL films but > under the circumstances, in my particular case, that is not a solution. > > Bette > > As a result, many of these records from "German Poland" have been filmed. > >there is a website that show where there are records > > for the various parish/towns in West Prussia. I've found that while not > > all > > years are available on the LDS records, there are always alternate > > locations > > for these records in Civil Government hands, if not in church hands. I > > suggest > > you start with LDS records; certainly their access is easier and cheaper. > > I've not yet tried to write the gov't archives holding the records, but > > they are > > not always state archives, but can also be civil/regional archives. > > > > Anettka > > > > **************************** > > In a message dated 4/13/2007 12:06:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Bette: > > > > On a personal note, however, after spending a small fortune on Roman > > Catholic Church records (an 1840 marriage & eleven subsequent birth > > records > > for one family in what was then West Prussia, now Poland) I am questioning > > what other options I might have had. In my case, there were no extant > > church records to be had at the local level since the R.C. Church records > > of > > my interest had apparently been removed from the local parish to the R.C. > > Diocese Archives, at a distant location. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have serveral german ancestors who served in the military. Is there any way to reserch these records? Any information will be appreciated. Eileen

That was my first thought as well. -----Original Message----- From: prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of wesixski Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 2:31 PM To: LGO ô¿ô; prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] ROSENHAUER FAMILY Hello List - I am wondering if "Byane" is a terrible mis-spelling of the German name for Bavaria ( which is Bayern). Does anyone have this same idea? I once ran across the birth place as "Bion", and it turned out to be Bayern. Elizabeth in Tacoma ----- Original Message ----- From: "LGO ô¿ô" <le_geefted_one@ix.netcom.com> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Cc: <Okla1915@aol.com> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] ROSENHAUER FAMILY > Sue, > > You're not ready to delve into German records yet. You need more > information. Your next step is to track down this "Byane" that's listed as > the birthplace on the census. I'm guessing that's a potentially terrible > mis-spelling by the census taker. When you do get a better idea of it, go > to the nearest genealogy library or LDS Family History Center and look up > the place name in "Meyer's Orts." If you find it in Meyer's Orts, you've > got a correct place name and can find out where the records (both church > and civil) were kept (<-- Meyer's Orts will tell you that, too). > > Again, before you go jumping into German records, find out the birthdate > and either the parent's names or sibling's names for your immigrant > ancestor. These can be found 90% of the time in the records of the > immigrant's new country. This information will be used to identify if you > have the correct person in German records, as well as to confirm it's the > correct family. > > Trying to jump into foreign records too quickly, although tempting when a > little info is found, is one of the biggest mistakes (and wastes of time) > that genealogists make. Arm yourself with the correct place name, date of > birth, and names of parents and/or siblings, and your task will be > infinitely easier (and much more likely successful) when you do go into > German records. > > Good luck, > > LGO > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Okla1915@aol.com >>Sent: Apr 14, 2007 11:04 AM >>To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] ROSENHAUER FAMILY >> >>Hi, I'm having real problems with my Rosenhauer family who came from >>Germany. Below is what I have and really not sure where to go next. >> >>1860 Census Dupage Co. ILL >>John Rosenhauer, Find the surname spelled many different way's >>John- Age 56-Born Byane >>Betsey- Age 49-Born Byane >>Charles- Age 20 >>William- Age 19 >>George- Age 13 >>Says in the 1860 census all children were born in Byane, not sure if the >>place of birth is spelled right, but Byane is how it was spelled in the >>census. >>John had another son George, he married Anna ? where unknown, there 1st 2 >>children were born in ILL. but can't find out where. >> John was 1st married to Bertha ? Not sure if this Betsey , John & >> Bertha >>divorced at some time, have this info from land records. listed in the >>1860 >>census is his wife or not, dosen't say. Anyway John was here in Muskegon >>MI. >>by March 1862 because he brought land here, dosen't give any date of >>death in >>his probate record. Just list his children. >> Now Charles and William were both in the Civil war, Charles joined >> here >>in Muskegon, when he was in the Hospital during the was, he states he was >>German decent, and next of kin was his father John, who lived in >>Muskegon. >>William joined in Naperville, Dupage ILL.he states he was born in >>Baveria, but no >>town or village listed. William came to Muskegon after the Civil War was >>over, both Charles and William was in the Civil War till the end, both >>joined in >>1862. >> Now Charles was married to Elizabeth Ottis in the 1870 census, the >>census states Charles was Prussian and so was his parents. At some point >>Charles >>married Alice Baker, or at least they lived together as man and wife, no >>marriage record could be found here in Muskegon, Alice wasn't able to >>draw on >>Charles's pension because she couldn't she was married to him or that she >>was >>divorced from her 1st husband in Port Huron MI., from the 1880 census on >>till >>Charles died, the census has him born in every place but Germany, assume >>Alice >>really didn't know where is was born and Charles was real hard of hearing >>and >>don't think he was able to give any info. Alice had a problem with not >>being >>able to prove Charle's 1st wife was dead either. >> Big problem I'm having with where John, his 1st wife Bertha, there >> son >>George and his wife and Johns youngest son George Jacob were buried here >>in >>Muskegon, i know Johns land was near the Air Port here in Muskegon. >> >> >>Sue >>Okla1915@aol.com >> >> >> >> >>************************************** See what's free at >>http://www.aol.com. >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'll try to help. What are you sending over? ----- Original Message ----- From: Okla1915@aol.com To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 10:42 AM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] RE BAVERIA- ROSENHAUERS Hi, I did figure that bayen was mis spelled in the 1860 census for my Rosenhauer's, figured I'ed spell it as it was on the census sheet, I'm not great on German pl;ace name spelling. I have tp much info stating my Rosenhauers were from Baveria, I just can't get any farther back then the 1960 census for Dupage county ILL. The only other info I have that might be right is the 1870 census for Muskegon MI. where the census states that my Charles Rosenhauer was from Prussia and his parents were born there to, He was with his 1st wife Elizabeth Ottis, I don't think his 2nd wife Alice Baker knew much about Charles, after the Civil War was over Charles wasn't very Healthy, had problems and was real hard of hearing. Alice had him born MI. NY. Ireland. I did send for Charles's Civil War Pension File and his Brother Williams to. I have a paper from the Grand Rapids when William was there and it has the place where he was living when he joined the Civil War, but he went to Naperville to join up, It list the place as a county but find nothing close to the place wrote down, though maybe it might have been a town or township, is there anyone out there that would let me send the page to them to see if they might figure out the place William lived. Sue Okla1915@aol.com ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I did figure that bayen was mis spelled in the 1860 census for my Rosenhauer's, figured I'ed spell it as it was on the census sheet, I'm not great on German pl;ace name spelling. I have tp much info stating my Rosenhauers were from Baveria, I just can't get any farther back then the 1960 census for Dupage county ILL. The only other info I have that might be right is the 1870 census for Muskegon MI. where the census states that my Charles Rosenhauer was from Prussia and his parents were born there to, He was with his 1st wife Elizabeth Ottis, I don't think his 2nd wife Alice Baker knew much about Charles, after the Civil War was over Charles wasn't very Healthy, had problems and was real hard of hearing. Alice had him born MI. NY. Ireland. I did send for Charles's Civil War Pension File and his Brother Williams to. I have a paper from the Grand Rapids when William was there and it has the place where he was living when he joined the Civil War, but he went to Naperville to join up, It list the place as a county but find nothing close to the place wrote down, though maybe it might have been a town or township, is there anyone out there that would let me send the page to them to see if they might figure out the place William lived. Sue Okla1915@aol.com ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.