Found this by googling Rietberg / Rittberg (Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany); http://www.geocities.com/eurprin/liechtenstein.html Also http://www.banater-aktualitaet.de/akt5rit.htm translation http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.banater-aktualitaet.de/akt5rit.htm&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=10&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DRittberg%26start%3D20%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us%26sa%3DN

Christof Rehbein, I have an ancestor (my g-g-grandmother) who was a Rehbein. Her name was Amelia or Amalia, and she was born March 26, 1837. She married Michael Schendel, a widower, in about 1856, probably around the area of Schubin or Schonlanke, Posen. They emigrated to the US in 1857. Does she fit anywhere in your family records? Laura Cella Central Texas

Audrey: 1. As suggested you need to go to a FHC and look up Rittberg in Meyers/Orts. It will give you information on the town/village and how it relates to other larger towns nearby. You need to know about the history and geography of the area. You need to do your background research in order to know where to find things. 2. If you are not finding Rittbeg on a map it's probably too small to include. That means it probably doesn't have its own church and is probably served by the nearest parish. Also as suggested, you are not going to do your genealogy online. Mainly the churches were the keepers of the records and you will probably have to utilize the services of your nearest FHC to obtain and search microfilm of those records. If there are no microfilm records available you will probably have to utilize the services of the appropriate German archive or try writing to the appropriate parish church. Archive/church research by mail can be very expensive. 3. Go to www.Mapquest.com which will show the location of the Rittberg that you think is the right one. You can even print it off. 4. When you search in Germany/Prussia the records will be in the German language and in German script. You will find a good guide to searching in Germany including word lists on the FHC site. It is downloadable. Best Luck, Audrey. Sheila K.

Laura- My grandmother was Louise Schindele. Her father emigrated from Roppenheim, Bas Rhin in the 1850s. Earlier generations were from Rittershoffen, Bas Rhin. Louise's first cousin was named Amelia and went by Millie. Maybe these 2 lower Alsace towns will help you find your earlier ancestors. Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "jon and laura cella" <thecellas@earthlink.net> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Rittberg Prussia (REHBEIN), > Christof Rehbein, > I have an ancestor (my g-g-grandmother) who was a Rehbein. Her name was Amelia or Amalia, and she was born March 26, 1837. She married Michael Schendel, a widower, in about 1856, probably around the area of Schubin or Schonlanke, Posen. They emigrated to the US in 1857. Does she fit anywhere in your family records? > Laura Cella > Central Texas > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Wendy For the search in the U.S.A. If You search for some records in the U.S.A. , then check out the link http://www.loricase.com/CDs/cdlist.html They want You to use Their FFI ( Family Finders Index ) section , before You e-mail a volunteer for a free lookup. AND forGermany/ Prussia Check out http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp or http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ or http://www.surnamenavigator.org/ Just fill out the blanks , and click " search " , or " go " If the records are not entered , then You may have to order some films , of that town, of that time , from the FHC library Karl Roussin ====================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy Fischbach" <wfischbach@yahoo.com> To: <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 6:37 AM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Questions about naturalization papers > Hello, > > My ggg-grandmother is recorded as coming from West > Prussia and as East Prussia in census data and that is > the reason for my posting on this mailing list. > > I recently received information of her birth place > from my ggg-grandfather's naturalization papers. > (Wives and children were naturalized under their > husband/father until around 1922 in the USA). > > Henrietta Radke (married Michael Wagner in the USA) is > recorded as born in 'Lichtenfeld, Germany' in the > second papers.I have her year of birth as 1866 and > year of emmigration from Germany as 1891. My limited > ability to research and understand the geographical > localities that are situated within a historical > context is apparent. The resources I have access to > are only so helpful and I am hoping somebody with more > knowledge than I have will be able to answer my > questions or clarify my information. > > I was only able to locate 'Lichtenfels' in the German > state of Bavaria. Was there a locality in East or West > Prussia during 1866 called Lichtenfeld? I have only > been able to located persons with the surname of > Litchenfeld and not a geographical location. > > I have not been able to glean much information about > Prussia other than the two dates that it was > politcally recognize. Is the historical kingdom only > present day Poland? I would appreciate any information > about locating sources to better my understanding of > Prussia in general, and specifically during > 1866-1891, and the present day political boundaries. > > When considering the information recorded on the > second naturalization papers, I was wondering if > Lichtenfeld could be a misspelling of her East or West > Prussia roots. Perhaps the court recorder could not > understand Grandpa Wagner's German dialect. If there > is no such community in Prussia, could that be another > clue to her family? She has been known to do such > things in other documents. For example, each daughter > shares the middle name of Mina and her rationale for > doing so was to trace the family line. > > I appreciate any thoughts, ideas, or suggestions. And > a big thank you for reading this long post. > > Regards, > Wendy Fischbach > > To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also dream; not only plan, but also believe. -Anatole France > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Never miss an email again! > Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I could not find Rittberg in the German-Polish; Polish-German place locater. Do you have the right spelling, etc.? See: _http://www.atsnotes.com/other/gerpol.html#PO_ (http://www.atsnotes.com/other/gerpol.html#PO) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hello, My ggg-grandmother is recorded as coming from West Prussia and as East Prussia in census data and that is the reason for my posting on this mailing list. I recently received information of her birth place from my ggg-grandfather's naturalization papers. (Wives and children were naturalized under their husband/father until around 1922 in the USA). Henrietta Radke (married Michael Wagner in the USA) is recorded as born in 'Lichtenfeld, Germany' in the second papers.I have her year of birth as 1866 and year of emmigration from Germany as 1891. My limited ability to research and understand the geographical localities that are situated within a historical context is apparent. The resources I have access to are only so helpful and I am hoping somebody with more knowledge than I have will be able to answer my questions or clarify my information. I was only able to locate 'Lichtenfels' in the German state of Bavaria. Was there a locality in East or West Prussia during 1866 called Lichtenfeld? I have only been able to located persons with the surname of Litchenfeld and not a geographical location. I have not been able to glean much information about Prussia other than the two dates that it was politcally recognize. Is the historical kingdom only present day Poland? I would appreciate any information about locating sources to better my understanding of Prussia in general, and specifically during 1866-1891, and the present day political boundaries. When considering the information recorded on the second naturalization papers, I was wondering if Lichtenfeld could be a misspelling of her East or West Prussia roots. Perhaps the court recorder could not understand Grandpa Wagner's German dialect. If there is no such community in Prussia, could that be another clue to her family? She has been known to do such things in other documents. For example, each daughter shares the middle name of Mina and her rationale for doing so was to trace the family line. I appreciate any thoughts, ideas, or suggestions. And a big thank you for reading this long post. Regards, Wendy Fischbach To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also dream; not only plan, but also believe. -Anatole France ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/

Audrey, You're trying to go too fast. You can't just jump into German records with some census and muster roll data, and info from a death certificate. Genealogy seldom is successful in going from point "A" to point "D" without visiting points "B" and "C" first. Success comes from being methodical. Researchers have to know three things about an ancestor in order to delve into German records; 1.) Name and birthdate of the ancestor, 2.) Place of origin from a reliable record in the immigrant's new country, and 3.) Names of parents and possibly siblings (as confirming data). This info is needed in the form of "primary evidence," and census data is not considered such. Death records are only primary as to the date and place of death, not to any birth information (or anything else). Finding those three things in census or on-line isn't enough. Researchers have to follow up with research in American records, if only for confirmation purposes. While genealogy requires a ton of common sense, it also requires learning about record types and how to research. How can researchers find the answers they seek if they don't know what record types hold those answers and how to find them? We're not born knowing these things. Checking out a good genealogy "how-to" book from the library is what I always recommend first. If a researcher finds themself getting hooked on it, as many do, then buy a book on American genealogy. Every researcher needs to learn what is considered primary evidence and what is not. If the data needed to find the ancestor in German records is collected, then a knowledge of German records will need to be learned. German record types are different from records in other countries. There are several good how-to books on German genealogy. While you have posted many good questions, a HUGE part of genealogy is learning about the geography and history of the area where ancestors came from. That can't be done asking questions. There is much on-line that can answer those questions by using a good search engine. Obviously, doing the research at a library is even better. On-line genealogy research, for now, is only about 5% to 10% of the work needed if a researcher wants to prove their foreign origins and find the relatives left behind in the old country, much less the current day family. To answer your original question, you should go to the nearest LDS Family History Center and look up Rittberg in "Meyer's Orts." But, truthfully, I think that's being premature for more evidence is needed on what has already been found. Proof is everything. Genealogy without proof is only mythology. Good luck, LGO -----Original Message----- >From: Audrey Bowne <acbowne1@yahoo.com> >Sent: May 5, 2007 7:34 PM >To: prussia-roots-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Rittberg Prussia > >I went to the library and looked for Rittberg on German maps and did not find Rittberg > what did Rittberg change to ? > It was Rittberg Prussia in 1840 > I think it is near BONN Germany > thanks for any info > Audrey > Seattle > acbowne1@yahoo.com

I went to the library and looked for Rittberg on German maps and did not find Rittberg what did Rittberg change to ? It was Rittberg Prussia in 1840 I think it is near BONN Germany thanks for any info Audrey Seattle acbowne1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

Jerry Kattke, Have sent your May 4th e-mail to my cousin, John Kottke, who lives in Fredericksburg,Iowa. They have already put together a genealogy book. They have traveled to the Bromberg area. Arnold Ross ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

The family name was originally (I think) Kottke; that's what my aunt told me, and I have some early documents with my grandfather's signature; it sure looks like Kottke. So I have researched many Kottke families looking for a connection. And almost all of them either came from or have some connection with a small area in West Prussia and northern Posen between Zempelburg and Bromberg. So I really believe that if we Kottkes could only figure it out we would find lots of connections. And maybe DNA provides the way. I recently had my own DNA (the Y chromosome) tested, and I have set up a "project" for the names Kottke/Kattke at http://www.ysearch.org/. If you are unfamiliar: the Y chromosome is passed essentially unchanged from father to son, so two males who have the same Y chromosome almost certainly have a common male ancestor. So I need other male Kottkes willing to have their DNA tested (it costs about $100); maybe we are connected, or maybe we will find several groups, each with its own Y chromosome. At any rate, I think this will be a very interesting endeavor; who will join me? The process is simple: there are several companies. I used Relative Genetics, but I have heard that Family Tree DNA is good; there may be others. They each have several tests; my guess is that the simplest and cheapest is good enough. You can always pay for an upgrade (without a new sample). You give them your credit card number; they send you a kit. It contains a swab to be used on the inside of the cheek; it goes into a sealed package and gets mailed back. The results show up in the mail and you enter it into ysearch. Jerry Kattke Naperville, Illinois, USA

At 10:37 AM -0700 on 05/02/07, Audrey Bowne spoke about [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] meaning of BERG and BURG and Rittberg is in thusly: >I noticed that some towns and surnames were spelt BERG OR BURG > What is the difference ? Berg is German language for mountain. English similar usage would be Mt. Vernon. Burg is German language for fortress. English similar usage would be Fort Worth. -- Mercy, community solidarity, and dedication to the common good. + Peace, Ted

Audrey: I hope you are aware that there were/are more than one Rittberg in Germany/Prussia. (Germany did not come into existence until 1871). You can check out the various Rittbergs by going to www.jewishgen.org and doing a search on their shtetl seeker link. There are map links to each town/village by that name that the search produces. It is imperative that you have the correct one before you continue on with your research. Best Luck. Sheila K. -------------- Original message from Audrey Bowne <acbowne1@yahoo.com>: -------------- > I noticed that some towns and surnames were spelt BERG OR BURG > What is the difference ? > Thanks > Audrey Bowne > Seattle > acbowne1@yahoo.com > was Rittberg in Prussia and or Germany in 1840s ? > > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Melissa Also from the link http://www.freetranslation.com/ For the word " scheid " It translated as " sheath " Karl Roussin ================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa Harrison" <harrisonmelissa@bellsouth.net> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] meaning of BERG and BURG and Rittberg is inPrussia or Germany in 1840s > Any idea what "scheid" means - Lorscheid, Borscheid, Homscheid? > > Thanks, > Melissa > > > > From: "Judith Parker" <jparker3371@verizon.net> > > Date: 2007/05/02 Wed PM 03:46:47 EST > > To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] meaning of BERG and BURG and Rittberg is in > > Prussia or Germany in 1840s > > > > A berg is a mountain and a burg is a town. Chances are if your place is > > spelled berg, it is on or near a mountain or mountainous area. > > > > > > > > Judy Parker > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Melissa There is also a German to English dictionary at http://dict.leo.org/ende?lang=de&lp=ende&search Fill in that small ( blinking ) window with Your word , and click " go " Karl Roussin ===================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa Harrison" <harrisonmelissa@bellsouth.net> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] meaning of BERG and BURG and Rittberg is inPrussia or Germany in 1840s > Any idea what "scheid" means - Lorscheid, Borscheid, Homscheid? > > Thanks, > Melissa > > > > From: "Judith Parker" <jparker3371@verizon.net> > > Date: 2007/05/02 Wed PM 03:46:47 EST > > To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] meaning of BERG and BURG and Rittberg is in > > Prussia or Germany in 1840s > > > > A berg is a mountain and a burg is a town. Chances are if your place is > > spelled berg, it is on or near a mountain or mountainous area. > > > > > > > > Judy Parker > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi - It means occupation. I think many of you may benefit from a wonderful book by Ernest Thode, one I use constantly and will help you learn on your own: German-English Genealogical Dictionary; Genealogical Publishing Co., 1001 N. Calvert Street, Baltimore, MD 21202 It's about $30 You can get the online address from Google or Dogpile. There are also some fantastic naming dictionaries for Germanic people. Maureen Schoenky ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

thanks for the explanation of BERG and BURG and finding Rittberg Germany Rittberg Germany is W S W of Berlin thanks Audrey Bowne on Joseph Berg papers said he was born Rittberg Prussia Jan 1840 --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

A berg is a mountain and a burg is a town. Chances are if your place is spelled berg, it is on or near a mountain or mountainous area. Judy Parker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bowne" <acbowne1@yahoo.com> To: <prussia-roots-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 1:37 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] meaning of BERG and BURG and Rittberg is in Prussia or Germany in 1840s >I noticed that some towns and surnames were spelt BERG OR BURG > What is the difference ? > Thanks > Audrey Bowne > Seattle > acbowne1@yahoo.com > was Rittberg in Prussia and or Germany in 1840s ? > > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/785 - Release Date: 5/2/2007 > 2:16 PM > >

Any idea what "scheid" means - Lorscheid, Borscheid, Homscheid? Thanks, Melissa > > From: "Judith Parker" <jparker3371@verizon.net> > Date: 2007/05/02 Wed PM 03:46:47 EST > To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] meaning of BERG and BURG and Rittberg is in > Prussia or Germany in 1840s > > A berg is a mountain and a burg is a town. Chances are if your place is > spelled berg, it is on or near a mountain or mountainous area. > > > > Judy Parker >