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I am currently searching the area of West Prussia, Kreis Rosenburg, Gross Herzogswalde. I ordered the film from LDS and I have found most of my maternal ancestors there, but not the paternal ancestors. For that I will have to look into the neighboring village of Schakenbruch. I was told that this village is in the parish of Bellschwitz. While LDS did not have Schakenbruch listed for films, it did have the civil registration for Bellschwitz. Will I obtain much information from the civil registration? Also, does anyone know of the church that they might have attended in that area if they were Lutheran? Thanks:) Linda

Josie Check out http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp or http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ or http://www.surnamenavigator.org/ Just fill out the blanks , and click " search " , or " go " If the records are not entered , then You may have to order some films , of that town, of that time , from the FHC library Karl Roussin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod & Josie Butterfield" <r_j_butterfield@bigpond.com> To: <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 1:25 AM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] GOESCH > > Hi I am looking for a Christian Joahann Jakob GOESCH ,born abt 1822 Retschow Mecklenburg Prussia,came out to Australia on the George Washington,dept Bremen 11 Oct 1845 and arrived 22 Jan 1846,he was a farmer.That is all I have on him,no knowledge of parents or siblings..if anyone can help that would be great. > thanks > regards Josie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for that Julia - will get back to you if I find anything of interest for your connection. Patricia > > Hello, > > Here's a starter article on German nobility: > http://worldroots.com/brigitte/royal/germannobility.htm > > This article delves into "major questions about the Mediatized Houses": > http://members.aol.com/eurostamm/mediatize.html > > Paul Theroff's Royal Genealogy Site (with a link to his online Gotha): > > Worldroots Royalty pages (not only a LOT of gemstone-encrusted surnames, > but > lottsa links, too): http://worldroots.com/ > > Remember, not all nobility was wealthy and there are errors in several of > those Royalty in America books. > > And if you happen to come across any noble/royal "Ewert", let me know > ASAP - > the cousin I just met online while doing genealogy is convinced that we > are > descendants of the 'great washed'. > > Have fun with it! Julia > > _________________________________________________________________ > PC Magazine's 2007 editors' choice for best Web mail-award-winning Windows > Live Hotmail. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oooops! Paul Theroff's Royal Genealogy Site (with link to his online Gotha): http://pages.prodigy.net/ptheroff/ his original site within Brigitte Gastel Lloyd's Worldroot.com: http://worldroots.com/brigitte/pther_e.html Julia _________________________________________________________________ See what you’re getting into…before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507

John, Thanks for your help. Kay John D Bentz <jdbentz@prodigy.net> wrote: Kay....if your immigrant ancestor was buried from a church & you know where...ask them to check the church register...it may give the place of his birth.....that's how I found my grandmother. J ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

Karl, Thank you for your comments. I will look for "A Terrible Revenge," and do some additional reading. I also have "Iron Kingdom, The Rise and Downfall of Prussia, 1600-1947," by Christopher Clark. I haven't started on it yet. Are you familiar with this book? I would be interested in your perspective. Kay List Ruckle Karl von Loewe <Karl@karlvonloewe.com> wrote: Kay Ruckle wrote that she had just finished reading James Charles Roy's "The Vanished Kingdom; Travels Through the History of Prussia." Kay, I too recently read Roy's "The Vanished Kingdom..." I was severely disappointed by his anti-Polish bias, including a picture of a "drunken Pole" (perhaps not the exact photo caption) and the like. It borders on being an anti-Polish polemic. He seems to be pre-occupied with the notion of how unworthy the Poles are to be in control of what was Prussia. I guess I expected too much from the book. I had just finished Alfred de Zayas' "A Terrible Revenge," and expected better than I got from Roy. Even though I am a trained historian of Russia and Eastern Europe, it is only in the last three years, when I have been investigating my family's genealogy, that I have firmly grasped the frequent, consummate ugliness of nationality and ethnicity - and their equally frequent confusion with one another - in Eastern Europe. De Zeyas makes a poignant plea, something to the effect that we should not expect neighbors to love one another, but at least not to hate one another. Alas, that is too much to ask of human beings even in this millennium. I regret if some feel I have politicized this very helpful listserv, but I could not let the reference to Roy's book go without remarking on my view of his work. Karl von Loewe ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

"> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] von Seelhorst >> >>I am new to this list and need soome help with the following: >> >> I have a VON SEELHORST connection shown in the following London marriage >> of 26th Oct 1892: >> >> Eltz Ernst Georg Lewin Freiherr von Seelhorst, age 26, Lieutenant >> Silesian Dragoons; >> father >> Georg Wilheim, Captain in German Army >> >> to >> >> Mary Mandeville Chamberlain, 24, father Oscar Lafayette Chamberlain, >> gentleman >> >> Is any of this familiar to you?? I know nothing about German research >> and >> am having difficulty in finding anything about this family. >> >> There were at least two children Eric and Marie-Louise born c 1894 >> >> regards >> >> Patricia >> Terrific - you are one of the rare ones, then! I wondered about Freiherr but didn't look it up - and you did - good job! That is often true of someone with so many given names - you might look in Deutschesfamilienarchiv - lineages. Maureen that book does not seem to be available here in Sydney either in the state library or the University library - darn it Patricia" Hello, Here's a starter article on German nobility: http://worldroots.com/brigitte/royal/germannobility.htm This article delves into "major questions about the Mediatized Houses": http://members.aol.com/eurostamm/mediatize.html Paul Theroff's Royal Genealogy Site (with a link to his online Gotha): Worldroots Royalty pages (not only a LOT of gemstone-encrusted surnames, but lottsa links, too): http://worldroots.com/ Remember, not all nobility was wealthy and there are errors in several of those Royalty in America books. And if you happen to come across any noble/royal "Ewert", let me know ASAP - the cousin I just met online while doing genealogy is convinced that we are descendants of the 'great washed'. Have fun with it! Julia _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507

that book does not seem to be available here in Sydney either in the state library or the University library - darn it Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: <Spaghettitree@aol.com> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] von Seelhorst > > Terrific - you are one of the rare ones, then! I wondered about Freiherr > but > didn't look it up - and you did - good job! That is often true of someone > with so many given names - you might look in Deutschesfamilienarchiv - > lineages. > > > Maureen > > > ************************************** > See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Thanks Robert.They seem to have modified their name c1900 to 'de' Seelhorst though in a 1922 shipping list it is back to 'von' again with a Munich address. All very confusing Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. Lipprandt" <rloss@bellsouth.net> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] von Seelhorst > Patricia, if you google Seelhorst, over 65m hits will pop up. You may get > some idea of the family origins etc. from some of those hits... maybe some > relatives! > > http://www.google.com/ > > Regards, Robert Lipprandt > ================== > > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] von Seelhorst > > >>I am new to this list and need soome help with the following: >> >> I have a VON SEELHORST connection shown in the following London marriage >> of 26th Oct 1892: >> >> Eltz Ernst Georg Lewin Freiherr von Seelhorst, age 26, Lieutenant >> Silesian Dragoons; >> father >> Georg Wilheim, Captain in German Army >> >> to >> >> Mary Mandeville Chamberlain, 24, father Oscar Lafayette Chamberlain, >> gentleman >> >> Is any of this familiar to you?? I know nothing about German research >> and >> am having difficulty in finding anything about this family. >> >> There were at least two children Eric and Marie-Louise born c 1894 >> >> regards >> >> Patricia >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Freiherr is actually a title meaninng 'Baron' von Seelhorst. I was a bit confused too when I first saw this but checked it out to find that it indicates the hierarchal level of this particular Baron. Still haven't got much on them yet Thanks for your interest Maureen Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: <Spaghettitree@aol.com> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] von Seelhorst > > Patricia - are you sure von Seelhorst is the surname? It seems to me that > Freiherr is the surname, from Seelhorst; von means of or from in most > cases. > There is a tiny little gathering of houses in the Landkreis of Hannover in > Germany, called Seelhorst, and also another place which is a forestry > house, called > Seelhorst, in the Kreis (county) of Samter (both per Meyers-Orts 1912 > Gazetteer, page 791). It is very easy to see how this happens, (which is > often) just > don't want you to go down the wrong road > > Maureen > > > > > ************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

I am new to this list and need soome help with the following: I have a VON SEELHORST connection shown in the following London marriage of 26th Oct 1892: Eltz Ernst Georg Lewin Freiherr von Seelhorst, age 26, Lieutenant Silesian Dragoons; father Georg Wilheim, Captain in German Army to Mary Mandeville Chamberlain, 24, father Oscar Lafayette Chamberlain, gentleman Is any of this familiar to you?? I know nothing about German research and am having difficulty in finding anything about this family. There were at least two children Eric and Marie-Louise born c 1894 regards Patricia

Hi Patricia, I also have a "von" in my ancestry, and sometimes it was written as "de" instead....seemed to depend on who was doing the writing or where - de would be the French equivalent of von. My von Levelings were originally in the Trier area, closer to France, so maybe French influence had something to do with it. Good luck. Janet Patricia Brown <28429@tpg.com.au> wrote: Thanks Robert.They seem to have modified their name c1900 to 'de' Seelhorst though in a 1922 shipping list it is back to 'von' again with a Munich address. All very confusing Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. Lipprandt" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] von Seelhorst > Patricia, if you google Seelhorst, over 65m hits will pop up. You may get > some idea of the family origins etc. from some of those hits... maybe some > relatives! > > http://www.google.com/ > > Regards, Robert Lipprandt > ================== > > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] von Seelhorst > > >>I am new to this list and need soome help with the following: >> >> I have a VON SEELHORST connection shown in the following London marriage >> of 26th Oct 1892: >> >> Eltz Ernst Georg Lewin Freiherr von Seelhorst, age 26, Lieutenant >> Silesian Dragoons; >> father >> Georg Wilheim, Captain in German Army >> >> to >> >> Mary Mandeville Chamberlain, 24, father Oscar Lafayette Chamberlain, >> gentleman >> >> Is any of this familiar to you?? I know nothing about German research >> and >> am having difficulty in finding anything about this family. >> >> There were at least two children Eric and Marie-Louise born c 1894 >> >> regards >> >> Patricia >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.

Terrific - you are one of the rare ones, then! I wondered about Freiherr but didn't look it up - and you did - good job! That is often true of someone with so many given names - you might look in Deutschesfamilienarchiv - lineages. Maureen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Patricia - are you sure von Seelhorst is the surname? It seems to me that Freiherr is the surname, from Seelhorst; von means of or from in most cases. There is a tiny little gathering of houses in the Landkreis of Hannover in Germany, called Seelhorst, and also another place which is a forestry house, called Seelhorst, in the Kreis (county) of Samter (both per Meyers-Orts 1912 Gazetteer, page 791). It is very easy to see how this happens, (which is often) just don't want you to go down the wrong road Maureen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Patricia, if you google Seelhorst, over 65m hits will pop up. You may get some idea of the family origins etc. from some of those hits... maybe some relatives! http://www.google.com/ Regards, Robert Lipprandt ================== Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] von Seelhorst >I am new to this list and need soome help with the following: > > I have a VON SEELHORST connection shown in the following London marriage > of 26th Oct 1892: > > Eltz Ernst Georg Lewin Freiherr von Seelhorst, age 26, Lieutenant > Silesian Dragoons; > father > Georg Wilheim, Captain in German Army > > to > > Mary Mandeville Chamberlain, 24, father Oscar Lafayette Chamberlain, > gentleman > > Is any of this familiar to you?? I know nothing about German research and > am having difficulty in finding anything about this family. > > There were at least two children Eric and Marie-Louise born c 1894 > > regards > > Patricia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Just thought I would throw this out as another source that is often overlooked. If the ancestor traveled through Hamburg, there are LDS tapes with registion in Hamburg. I'll quote from my German Research Companion "Because Hamburg was a major port city, thousands of Germans and other ethnic groups took up temporary residence there before departing the country. In accordance with the regulations in force in German lands, it was neccessary for travelers to register at the resident registration office, whose records have been preserved. Usually it was the police dept. that was in charge of such registrations. The information in these records is often better than that of the passenger lists, and they begin several years earlier than the Hamburg passenger lists that are available. The resident registers give the former residence of the traveler as well as the actual place of birth. The passenger lists, however, give only the last place of residence. The types of records available through Family History Library are Passport Applications 1852-1929 Register of non-citizen Resident Servants 1843-1890 Register of male and female noncitizen laborers and domestics 1834-1899 Register of guilded journeymen 1850-1867 Search the Family History Library Catalog for microfilm and microfiche numbers, listed under Germany - Hamburg - "Emmigration and Immigration", "Occupations", and "Population" Michaele -------------- Original message -------------- From: gensearcher@att.net > Kay: Just some fyi - I found my great grandparents in the Germans to America > also, listed as coming from Hamburg. I then looked at the microfilm of the > actual ship manifest and it gave the last residence in Prussia (Nakel). GTA, in > most cases across the board, left that info out. You might want to double check > your ship manifest also. Another place I have found the place of origin for > German ancestors is in the records of the church where they worshipped here in > the US. I have found this on several occasions. Unfortunately the > naturalization papers of that era rarely give such info. Enjoy your trip. > Sheila K. > > -------------- Original message from kay ruckle : > -------------- > > > > Hi Wendy, > > > > I just finished reading "The Vanished Kingdom...Travels Through the History of > > Prussia," by James Charles Roy. It is an overview of the history of Prussia > > starting in 1275. > > > > I have a ggf, Frederick Rahde, and a ggm, Wilhelmina Kamischke Rahde, from > > West Prussia and I am trying to locate their places of birth. All I have are > > their dob and West Prussia as a location. They emigrated in 1883 from Hamburg > > to New York on a ship called (or at least it looks like) "Suevia." That entry > > is found in "Germans to America." > > > > We are planning a trip to Germany and Poland in Octoer to visit my ancestoral > > homelands and I am still trying to locate their birthplaces. My next move is > to > > locate their immigration and naturalization papers. > > > > Good luck, > > > > Kay List Ruckle > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Get your own web address. > > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have noticed some e-mails about naturalization questions & wanted to share my experience - My GGG-gr&father, John Henry Schick came from Germany in the 1830s - My dad wrote a long time ago to the courthouse in Allegheny County, PA & was told all they had was one record, that being his oath of intention, so I requested the microfilm of the court docket through LDS on microfilm & checked it myself - there were 2, one for oath of intention, the other for the naturalization. Finding the naturalization petition (not everybody did one) was no trick either - I had to go through 5 rolls of microfilm screen by screen & it was on the last roll - these are in no date order & the dates bounce back & forth. Also, I thought I had his ship he came over on, but when I got a copy of the ship manifest, the only Schick on there was G. Schick (not John Henry), so I have the naturalization, but not the right ship yet - Also be sure to search for online library catalogues in your state or nearby - check local as well as college libraries - I found one 1.5 hours away that has the Swiss Emigration Book & there are only 2 libraries in Oklahoma that have it - remember to try several variations on first/last names for searching - good luck & happy hunting! Cory

Hello, AUDREY ~ I have lottsa maps of the Europe and the German Empire, some older than 1892. If you'd like, I could e-mail them as attachments to your e-mail address or you could do websearches for maps. Mine came from visting many different sites and though I kept notes on the maps themselves, I don't remember what sites they came from. According to US copyright laws, maps this old are in the public domain. (If you want to use a map on a website or something, that was created by someone in more recent times, it would be a great idea to get their permission first to avoid any embarrassment and ask how they would like you to cite the map.) Yours, Julia "----Original Message Follows---- thank you for all the help in finding RITTBERG I went to the Seattle main library and found the Myers orts book and the Myers book that shows the old German alphabet The earliest map of Prussia was 1892. I am trying to find earlier maps Rittbrerg is North of BONN and E of COLOGNE S of BERGLSCH in the Westphalia district of Germany near EDDK airport thanks Audrey Bowne Seattle acbowne1@yahoo.com" _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/

Robert, > Audrey... Prussia no longer existed in the year 1892. Matter of fact, it > existed only as Ostpreussen (East Prussia) and Westpreussen (West Prussia) > after 1871 as provinces in the New Germany. Sorry to correct you, but Preussen was indeed a state ("Land") inside the German Reich, divided up into provinces. see my posting from January: > The existence of Prussia as a state of its own inside the German Reich ended > in 1945. The very western parts used to belong to West Germany, the central > part to Eastern Germany, both now Germany, the eastern including Pomerania, > West- and East-Prussia belongs to Poland nowadays. > The word Prussia is a term no more used in Germany except for historical > reasons. Chris