My cousin, Dagmar, who was born in Lithuania has extensive knowledge about the area of East Prussia, especially in regards to ethnic German Lutherans. When I questioned her about the X by the name of a baby she indicated to me that does not mean illegitimate. It does mean that one of the parents of the baby is deceased. When a child is illegitimate it is written very clearly the word unehelith in German. The X is the sign of the cross. She has been reviewing many records of Evangelical Lutheran churches in the Gumbinnen, Mariampole, Kovno, Vilnius, Garliava, Verbalis areas, etc. and this has been the case in the records she has so far searched. I just wanted to give some more insight here to those records. Many of them are written in Lithuania, Polish (as were the ones I saw from Garliava) and Russian besides German, depending on the era. That makes it very hard to search these records. Also, the names of the towns changed languages making it even more difficult. She certainly concurred with the fact that if there was not a Lutheran church the record in question may be in the Catholic registry. Some of the names we are searching in East Prussia, most of them were the Salzburgers, are: Heidrich, Holl, Sabrovsky, Sabarowski, Saborowsky (various spellings), Zimmerman, Stein written in German as Styen and even sometimes with a z in there, Holl, Hopp (Hoppe), Mett, Palencius, Palenschus, Palenshus, Less, Krause, Klaus and Dietrich with the various spellings. To read about the Salzburgers here are two nice websites: www.exulanten.com/index.html www.exulanten.com/preussen.html Sandie ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. Lipprandt" <rloss@bellsouth.net> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:23 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Illegitimacy Illegitimate... maybe, maybe not. It depends upon the religious view of the transcriber. Without getting into a religious uproar about my statement (above), Prussia (with Köningburg as capitol) was predominantly protestant (Evangelical and Lutheran). By this I mean Ostpreussen (East Prussia) and Westpreussen (West Prussia). Provinces near France, Italy, Austria and Poland would have had a Catholic influence. The Evangelical Church was the largest religious denomination in all of what we consider Prussia. The Prussians were the ones that stabilized the religious wars in the German speaking areas of Europe. Four religions were made official, Evangelical, Lutheran, Mennonite and Catholic (Roman). Now... if you were Evangelical and lived in a Catholic area, and you wanted your birth/marriage/baptism recorded in a church (and no Evangelical Church was at hand), then it was registered with the Catholic church. O.K., if your religious views did not match that of the registry and the register of the document had, then your parents were not married. With that thought in mind, then most everyone was illegitimate. The same would hold true with Catholics registering in Evangelical/Lutheran or Mennonite books... if you get my drift. As for the non-Prussian/German sounding names yes, quite possible. With the religious wars in mind, refuges such as French Huguenots, Dutch Protestants, etc. etc. etc. migrated to East and West Prussia because of religious freedom. Even the out of work ship carpenters from Italy had a hand in building the magnificent cathedrals of Prussia. The reverse migration was when Catherine the Great of Russia (originally a princess from West Prussia) invited the German farmers (those without land) to the Ukraine to farm the land the Russians either couldn't or wouldn't. Eventually, those German settlers had to convert to the Russian Orthodox church or loose everything they had.... or leave. There is so much involved with the religious registering. Googling is the best answer and my vote is that the Marquart/Marquardt girls did not provide the illegitimate births as so recorded, the items were only recorded that way because of the view of the transcriber. I will now turn it over to more knowledgeable individuals... Regards, Rollo+ =========== Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Kusc - Marquadt > If you can stand one more e-mail regarding this topic, I can tell you that > about 15 years ago, I did extensive research on my Glass line through the > Sankt Katharina Braunsberg Katholic Kirche (St. Katherine's Catholic > Church, > Braunsberg, Ostpreussen, Prussia) LDS microfilm records. It was a gold > mine > of information giving me complete family trees for my great-great > grandfather's family (though I came up completely dry for his wife!) going > back 200 years. One name that I encountered very often was "Marquart." > This name initially caught my eye because I, too, didn't think it sounded > German, and it was as far away from France as you could get in Germany. > The > main reason that I remember that name, though, is that a vast majority of > the Marquart births were marked with an "X" to denote illegitimacy, and it > made me wonder about those Marquart girls! Another name that I ran across > in those records, though only once, was the only noble birth I > encountered, > that of a child born to a von Frankenstein family. I'm sure there was no > connection to the fictional characters, though. > > -----Original Message----- > From: prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elaine O'Neill > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:05 PM > To: PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Kusc - Marquadt > > I sent to Michigan for my Great-grandmother's death certificate. > Rather than it answering some questions it's only creating more. > Partly because of the handwriting on the original record, and partly > because of conflicting information. > > I was hoping for a definite birth location, but only got "Germany". > On well. Could be worse I guess. > > But the big questions are regarding names. On my grandfather's > marriage record from Windsor, Ontario he gives his mother's maiden > name as BRUCHESCI. I assumed there may have been a spelling error but > that the correct name would at least be something similar. But no! On > her death record her husband gives her father's name as John KUSC, and > her mother's maiden name as Tesia (?) MARQUADT. Is MARQUADT a German > name? It almost sounds a bit French to me. And how does one get > BRUCHESCI from KUSC? I have to assume that the information on the > death record is more accurate because it was provided by her husband, > rather than one of her children. > > Thanks for any input or advice. > > Elaine O'. > in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Arnold, This may sound like a strange source, but I have noticed that CD up for auction on Ebay. Wendy --- Arnold Chamove <ArnoldChamove@Ynnovate.co.NZ> wrote: > Any idea where we can purchase the "Germans to > America" CD, preferably > including the new Volume II? > Cheers > Arnold > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also dream; not only plan, but also believe. -Anatole France ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/

Could someone please help be by doing a lookup on Germans to America. I can't find the name of the boat my ancesters came to America on. My Ancestor is Johann Phillip Boehl (Behl,Bohl different spellings) Wife Christina Schramm-Behl and their children Henry William 9 Years old at the time, Johnny died at sea. We know they arrived in New Orleans 1852 and arrived in Sangamon Cty. Illinois in July 1852. They settled and raised a family in Sangamon Cty. Illinois Family Legend says they came into America Thru New Orleans. This has not been confirmed. I understand they arrived on a small boat, maybe a work boat. Any help is appreciated. _Ginger316@AOL.Com_ (mailto:Ginger316@AOL.Com) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hooray for genealogical acts of kindness! I just am concerned that beginners (not implying that YOU are) will think an error/omission in "Germans to America" is the end of the line in their search, that's all. The best of luck, Julia ----Original Message Follows---- From: AnnWicki@aol.com Hi: I certainly realize that ALL names are not on the CD. As with my own family. I found children listed on the CD but not their parents. When I checked the Passenger List. The parents were there! I do the best that I can checking the CD for those that request. Ann In a message dated 5/27/2007 12:15:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, juliasgenes@hotmail.com writes: Hi, ANNWICKI ~ Don't forget all the errors and omissions in "Germans to America". Just because there's no result found there, doesn't mean they aren't included somewhere. Also, keep in mind all the horrifying (genealogical-wise) mis-spellings of the passengers' names. To check your info, go to the closest Family Library (a call to your closest Latter Day Saint Church (=LDS=Mormons) will tell you where to find one). They will help you get the films of the actual ship passenger lists to read. Bummer that it's not all at our Internet fingertips! Julia `````` If this is your Charles, this is all this is all the information on the CD Germans to America: I do not find a Mary, Marie, Maria on the CD. Did she have another name? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507

Freida, Did any of your Loewn family go to South Dakota? If so, I will give you some info on Helena Loewen Schafer, with some questions. Thanks, Jack Schafer Frieda Loewen <floewen@xplornet.com> wrote: I read your entry with interest. My background is Mennonite and I can trace my roots back to Russia and from there to East Prussia. I have the majority of my, and my husband's, family lines going back to the 1700's and the odd few into the 1600's. However, of late I am unable to go any further. Were records not kept further back? Also I have heard that people did not use surnames until perhaps in the 1500's or even 1600's. Would that be the problem? If you have any leads for me, please let me know, Thank you! Frieda ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. Lipprandt" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:23 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Illegitimacy > > Illegitimate... maybe, maybe not. It depends upon the religious view of > the > transcriber. > > Without getting into a religious uproar about my statement (above), > Prussia > (with Köningburg as capitol) was predominantly protestant (Evangelical and > Lutheran). By this I mean Ostpreussen (East Prussia) and Westpreussen > (West > Prussia). Provinces near France, Italy, Austria and Poland would have had > a > Catholic influence. The Evangelical Church was the largest religious > denomination in all of what we consider Prussia. > > The Prussians were the ones that stabilized the religious wars in the > German > speaking areas of Europe. Four religions were made official, Evangelical, > Lutheran, Mennonite and Catholic (Roman). Now... if you were Evangelical > and > lived in a Catholic area, and you wanted your birth/marriage/baptism > recorded in a church (and no Evangelical Church was at hand), then it was > registered with the Catholic church. O.K., if your religious views did > not > match that of the registry and the register of the document had, then your > parents were not married. With that thought in mind, then most everyone > was > illegitimate. The same would hold true with Catholics registering in > Evangelical/Lutheran or Mennonite books... if you get my drift. > > As for the non-Prussian/German sounding names yes, quite possible. With > the > religious wars in mind, refuges such as French Huguenots, Dutch > Protestants, > etc. etc. etc. migrated to East and West Prussia because of religious > freedom. Even the out of work ship carpenters from Italy had a hand in > building the magnificent cathedrals of Prussia. > > The reverse migration was when Catherine the Great of Russia (originally a > princess from West Prussia) invited the German farmers (those without > land) > to the Ukraine to farm the land the Russians either couldn't or wouldn't. > Eventually, those German settlers had to convert to the Russian Orthodox > church or loose everything they had.... or leave. > > There is so much involved with the religious registering. Googling is the > best answer and my vote is that the Marquart/Marquardt girls did not > provide > the illegitimate births as so recorded, the items were only recorded that > way because of the view of the transcriber. > > I will now turn it over to more knowledgeable individuals... > > Regards, Rollo+ > =========== > > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Kusc - Marquadt > > >> If you can stand one more e-mail regarding this topic, I can tell you >> that >> about 15 years ago, I did extensive research on my Glass line through the >> Sankt Katharina Braunsberg Katholic Kirche (St. Katherine's Catholic >> Church, >> Braunsberg, Ostpreussen, Prussia) LDS microfilm records. It was a gold >> mine >> of information giving me complete family trees for my great-great >> grandfather's family (though I came up completely dry for his wife!) >> going >> back 200 years. One name that I encountered very often was "Marquart." >> This name initially caught my eye because I, too, didn't think it sounded >> German, and it was as far away from France as you could get in Germany. >> The >> main reason that I remember that name, though, is that a vast majority of >> the Marquart births were marked with an "X" to denote illegitimacy, and >> it >> made me wonder about those Marquart girls! Another name that I ran >> across >> in those records, though only once, was the only noble birth I >> encountered, >> that of a child born to a von Frankenstein family. I'm sure there was no >> connection to the fictional characters, though. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elaine O'Neill >> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:05 PM >> To: PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Kusc - Marquadt >> >> I sent to Michigan for my Great-grandmother's death certificate. >> Rather than it answering some questions it's only creating more. >> Partly because of the handwriting on the original record, and partly >> because of conflicting information. >> >> I was hoping for a definite birth location, but only got "Germany". >> On well. Could be worse I guess. >> >> But the big questions are regarding names. On my grandfather's >> marriage record from Windsor, Ontario he gives his mother's maiden >> name as BRUCHESCI. I assumed there may have been a spelling error but >> that the correct name would at least be something similar. But no! On >> her death record her husband gives her father's name as John KUSC, and >> her mother's maiden name as Tesia (?) MARQUADT. Is MARQUADT a German >> name? It almost sounds a bit French to me. And how does one get >> BRUCHESCI from KUSC? I have to assume that the information on the >> death record is more accurate because it was provided by her husband, >> rather than one of her children. >> >> Thanks for any input or advice. >> >> Elaine O'. >> in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Below are two sites that may show you some interest... This is a Canadian Mennonite site: http://www.mmhs.org/prussia/mmhsgen3.htm This site is maintained by Adalbert Geortz, very knowledgeable of Mennonite issues in East and West Prussia: http://www.grex.org/~goertz/ Regards, Rollo+ ============== Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Illegitimacy I read your entry with interest. My background is Mennonite and I can trace my roots back to Russia and from there to East Prussia. I have the majority of my, and my husband's, family lines going back to the 1700's and the odd few into the 1600's. However, of late I am unable to go any further. Were records not kept further back? Also I have heard that people did not use surnames until perhaps in the 1500's or even 1600's. Would that be the problem? If you have any leads for me, please let me know, Thank you! Frieda =========================== Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Illegitimacy > > Illegitimate... maybe, maybe not. It depends upon the religious view of > the > transcriber. > > Without getting into a religious uproar about my statement (above), > Prussia > (with Köningburg as capitol) was predominantly protestant (Evangelical and > Lutheran). By this I mean Ostpreussen (East Prussia) and Westpreussen > (West > Prussia). Provinces near France, Italy, Austria and Poland would have had > a > Catholic influence. The Evangelical Church was the largest religious > denomination in all of what we consider Prussia. > > The Prussians were the ones that stabilized the religious wars in the > German > speaking areas of Europe. Four religions were made official, Evangelical, > Lutheran, Mennonite and Catholic (Roman). Now... if you were Evangelical > and > lived in a Catholic area, and you wanted your birth/marriage/baptism > recorded in a church (and no Evangelical Church was at hand), then it was > registered with the Catholic church. O.K., if your religious views did > not > match that of the registry and the register of the document had, then your > parents were not married. With that thought in mind, then most everyone > was > illegitimate. The same would hold true with Catholics registering in > Evangelical/Lutheran or Mennonite books... if you get my drift. > > As for the non-Prussian/German sounding names yes, quite possible. With > the > religious wars in mind, refuges such as French Huguenots, Dutch > Protestants, > etc. etc. etc. migrated to East and West Prussia because of religious > freedom. Even the out of work ship carpenters from Italy had a hand in > building the magnificent cathedrals of Prussia. > > The reverse migration was when Catherine the Great of Russia (originally a > princess from West Prussia) invited the German farmers (those without > land) > to the Ukraine to farm the land the Russians either couldn't or wouldn't. > Eventually, those German settlers had to convert to the Russian Orthodox > church or loose everything they had.... or leave. > > There is so much involved with the religious registering. Googling is the > best answer and my vote is that the Marquart/Marquardt girls did not > provide > the illegitimate births as so recorded, the items were only recorded that > way because of the view of the transcriber. > > I will now turn it over to more knowledgeable individuals... > > Regards, Rollo+ > ===========

I read your entry with interest. My background is Mennonite and I can trace my roots back to Russia and from there to East Prussia. I have the majority of my, and my husband's, family lines going back to the 1700's and the odd few into the 1600's. However, of late I am unable to go any further. Were records not kept further back? Also I have heard that people did not use surnames until perhaps in the 1500's or even 1600's. Would that be the problem? If you have any leads for me, please let me know, Thank you! Frieda ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. Lipprandt" <rloss@bellsouth.net> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:23 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Illegitimacy > > Illegitimate... maybe, maybe not. It depends upon the religious view of > the > transcriber. > > Without getting into a religious uproar about my statement (above), > Prussia > (with Köningburg as capitol) was predominantly protestant (Evangelical and > Lutheran). By this I mean Ostpreussen (East Prussia) and Westpreussen > (West > Prussia). Provinces near France, Italy, Austria and Poland would have had > a > Catholic influence. The Evangelical Church was the largest religious > denomination in all of what we consider Prussia. > > The Prussians were the ones that stabilized the religious wars in the > German > speaking areas of Europe. Four religions were made official, Evangelical, > Lutheran, Mennonite and Catholic (Roman). Now... if you were Evangelical > and > lived in a Catholic area, and you wanted your birth/marriage/baptism > recorded in a church (and no Evangelical Church was at hand), then it was > registered with the Catholic church. O.K., if your religious views did > not > match that of the registry and the register of the document had, then your > parents were not married. With that thought in mind, then most everyone > was > illegitimate. The same would hold true with Catholics registering in > Evangelical/Lutheran or Mennonite books... if you get my drift. > > As for the non-Prussian/German sounding names yes, quite possible. With > the > religious wars in mind, refuges such as French Huguenots, Dutch > Protestants, > etc. etc. etc. migrated to East and West Prussia because of religious > freedom. Even the out of work ship carpenters from Italy had a hand in > building the magnificent cathedrals of Prussia. > > The reverse migration was when Catherine the Great of Russia (originally a > princess from West Prussia) invited the German farmers (those without > land) > to the Ukraine to farm the land the Russians either couldn't or wouldn't. > Eventually, those German settlers had to convert to the Russian Orthodox > church or loose everything they had.... or leave. > > There is so much involved with the religious registering. Googling is the > best answer and my vote is that the Marquart/Marquardt girls did not > provide > the illegitimate births as so recorded, the items were only recorded that > way because of the view of the transcriber. > > I will now turn it over to more knowledgeable individuals... > > Regards, Rollo+ > =========== > > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Kusc - Marquadt > > >> If you can stand one more e-mail regarding this topic, I can tell you >> that >> about 15 years ago, I did extensive research on my Glass line through the >> Sankt Katharina Braunsberg Katholic Kirche (St. Katherine's Catholic >> Church, >> Braunsberg, Ostpreussen, Prussia) LDS microfilm records. It was a gold >> mine >> of information giving me complete family trees for my great-great >> grandfather's family (though I came up completely dry for his wife!) >> going >> back 200 years. One name that I encountered very often was "Marquart." >> This name initially caught my eye because I, too, didn't think it sounded >> German, and it was as far away from France as you could get in Germany. >> The >> main reason that I remember that name, though, is that a vast majority of >> the Marquart births were marked with an "X" to denote illegitimacy, and >> it >> made me wonder about those Marquart girls! Another name that I ran >> across >> in those records, though only once, was the only noble birth I >> encountered, >> that of a child born to a von Frankenstein family. I'm sure there was no >> connection to the fictional characters, though. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elaine O'Neill >> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:05 PM >> To: PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Kusc - Marquadt >> >> I sent to Michigan for my Great-grandmother's death certificate. >> Rather than it answering some questions it's only creating more. >> Partly because of the handwriting on the original record, and partly >> because of conflicting information. >> >> I was hoping for a definite birth location, but only got "Germany". >> On well. Could be worse I guess. >> >> But the big questions are regarding names. On my grandfather's >> marriage record from Windsor, Ontario he gives his mother's maiden >> name as BRUCHESCI. I assumed there may have been a spelling error but >> that the correct name would at least be something similar. But no! On >> her death record her husband gives her father's name as John KUSC, and >> her mother's maiden name as Tesia (?) MARQUADT. Is MARQUADT a German >> name? It almost sounds a bit French to me. And how does one get >> BRUCHESCI from KUSC? I have to assume that the information on the >> death record is more accurate because it was provided by her husband, >> rather than one of her children. >> >> Thanks for any input or advice. >> >> Elaine O'. >> in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Illegitimate... maybe, maybe not. It depends upon the religious view of the transcriber. Without getting into a religious uproar about my statement (above), Prussia (with Köningburg as capitol) was predominantly protestant (Evangelical and Lutheran). By this I mean Ostpreussen (East Prussia) and Westpreussen (West Prussia). Provinces near France, Italy, Austria and Poland would have had a Catholic influence. The Evangelical Church was the largest religious denomination in all of what we consider Prussia. The Prussians were the ones that stabilized the religious wars in the German speaking areas of Europe. Four religions were made official, Evangelical, Lutheran, Mennonite and Catholic (Roman). Now... if you were Evangelical and lived in a Catholic area, and you wanted your birth/marriage/baptism recorded in a church (and no Evangelical Church was at hand), then it was registered with the Catholic church. O.K., if your religious views did not match that of the registry and the register of the document had, then your parents were not married. With that thought in mind, then most everyone was illegitimate. The same would hold true with Catholics registering in Evangelical/Lutheran or Mennonite books... if you get my drift. As for the non-Prussian/German sounding names yes, quite possible. With the religious wars in mind, refuges such as French Huguenots, Dutch Protestants, etc. etc. etc. migrated to East and West Prussia because of religious freedom. Even the out of work ship carpenters from Italy had a hand in building the magnificent cathedrals of Prussia. The reverse migration was when Catherine the Great of Russia (originally a princess from West Prussia) invited the German farmers (those without land) to the Ukraine to farm the land the Russians either couldn't or wouldn't. Eventually, those German settlers had to convert to the Russian Orthodox church or loose everything they had.... or leave. There is so much involved with the religious registering. Googling is the best answer and my vote is that the Marquart/Marquardt girls did not provide the illegitimate births as so recorded, the items were only recorded that way because of the view of the transcriber. I will now turn it over to more knowledgeable individuals... Regards, Rollo+ =========== Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Kusc - Marquadt > If you can stand one more e-mail regarding this topic, I can tell you that > about 15 years ago, I did extensive research on my Glass line through the > Sankt Katharina Braunsberg Katholic Kirche (St. Katherine's Catholic > Church, > Braunsberg, Ostpreussen, Prussia) LDS microfilm records. It was a gold > mine > of information giving me complete family trees for my great-great > grandfather's family (though I came up completely dry for his wife!) going > back 200 years. One name that I encountered very often was "Marquart." > This name initially caught my eye because I, too, didn't think it sounded > German, and it was as far away from France as you could get in Germany. > The > main reason that I remember that name, though, is that a vast majority of > the Marquart births were marked with an "X" to denote illegitimacy, and it > made me wonder about those Marquart girls! Another name that I ran across > in those records, though only once, was the only noble birth I > encountered, > that of a child born to a von Frankenstein family. I'm sure there was no > connection to the fictional characters, though. > > -----Original Message----- > From: prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elaine O'Neill > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:05 PM > To: PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Kusc - Marquadt > > I sent to Michigan for my Great-grandmother's death certificate. > Rather than it answering some questions it's only creating more. > Partly because of the handwriting on the original record, and partly > because of conflicting information. > > I was hoping for a definite birth location, but only got "Germany". > On well. Could be worse I guess. > > But the big questions are regarding names. On my grandfather's > marriage record from Windsor, Ontario he gives his mother's maiden > name as BRUCHESCI. I assumed there may have been a spelling error but > that the correct name would at least be something similar. But no! On > her death record her husband gives her father's name as John KUSC, and > her mother's maiden name as Tesia (?) MARQUADT. Is MARQUADT a German > name? It almost sounds a bit French to me. And how does one get > BRUCHESCI from KUSC? I have to assume that the information on the > death record is more accurate because it was provided by her husband, > rather than one of her children. > > Thanks for any input or advice. > > Elaine O'. > in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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I have recently been getting the same message. However, some of my e-mails go through to the same address and some do not. Sandie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine O'Neill" <elaineoneill1948@gmail.com> To: <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:36 AM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Spam Filters > Every time I post to the list I get this in response. If someone > doesn't want mail from the list, why don't they just unsubscribe > instead of letting their e-mail client consider it spam. > > "ATTENTION! > > A message you recently sent to a 0Spam.com user with the subject "Re: > [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Kusc - Marquadt--US Church Rec..." was not delivered > because they are using the 0Spam.com anti-spam service. Please click > the link below to confirm that this is not spam. When you confirm, > this message and all future messages you send will automatically be > accepted. > > http://www.0spam.com/v.cgi?user=1124988145&verify=848021" > > Elaine O'. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

We just returned from Germany after visiting the place my husband's ancestor's were from. Is there a Hannover list? I checked Cindi's list but when I tried to subscribe, my German is no that good to follow the direction's much less particapate. Dori

Dear List: Even though I've lurked for a few weeks, I'm so impressed with the helpfulness and depth of collective knowledge and experience of this group. I, too, have a name that is a real challenge (Lederhos and variations). At least I have the town/region of origin in Prussia - Bad Kreuznach - and approximate dates of birth of my 3rd GF and GM (per St Louis census). My son plans on being in Frankfurt in about two weeks so I've convinced him that at the very least he should drive down and check out the town/area for me. With such little info from my research, he can't do any research while there, but... hope springs eternal! Meanwhile, I keep digging through Ancestry, Heritage Quest, and the FHL library for clues. Jacquie (who's sure she's of pure German ancestry - living in a town saturated with its Norwegian heritage - to the nth degree)

At 12:14 PM 5/30/2007 -0500, you wrote: >We just returned from Germany after visiting the place my husband's >ancestor's were from. Is there a Hannover list? I checked Cindi's list >but when I tried to subscribe, my German is no that good to follow the >direction's much less particapate. I belong to this Hannover list: hannover-l@genealogy.net I have Hannoverian ancestors too, in Dransfeld. My husband and I are going over in August to visit. If you have any travel recommendations for the are that would be of interest to the list, please do share. If you feel they're more suitable offline, I'd welcome any suggestions to my direct email address (dmac@physics.ucla.edu). Regards, Debra ---- http://sakionline.net/familypage

I spent a good bit of time looking up all your names, only now to be told it is spam, and the Dspam connection does not work. Baloney. Maureen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Denyse: I have through family records Fredericka Luafa FRANKE married 11 Dec 1864 Christian Frederick LEIDER b> 20 April 1842 in Busenbraw, Germany. He the son of Gottfried LEIDER and Luise KERSTEN of Murow, Brandenburg, Prussia. Christian, Fredericka and one son, Charles Frederick LEIDER b. 12 Oct. 1864 place: Germany came to Minnesota after 1878. Christian and Fredericka (a cousin has Frederice Caroline Louise FRANKE), had five more sons in Minnesota, and I continue to search for them and their families. I have information on the family of Charles as he is my gggrandfather. Any assistance in getting more information on Fredericka and her family is greatly appreciated. Respectfully, David, can respond to _dadsday@aol.com_ (mailto:dadsday@aol.com) Searching from sunny central Florida, difficult but at least comfortable ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hello, Angelika, I had not known that there was a town in Germany named LETTER. I will have to look for it. My great-greatgrandparents, John and Christina Hemmer Letter, were born in Rellinghausen, according to the records of their parish church in Belleville, IL. That is quite near Essen, I think. That is interesting information about surnames that reflect the place of origin. We lived in Stavanger, Norway during the 1980's, and the Norwegians also have this naming pattern. In the US, we tend to name towns after the people who first settled them -- but then, we are a much younger country. If you have any connections to the US that you are trying to trace, I would be pleased to try to help you. I have access to ancestry.com and another large database called Heritage Quest, for searching the US censuses. When we lived in Norway, my husband went often to Essen on business. Unfortunately, I wasn't interested in family history/genealogy back then, and so I wasted a golden opportunity! Jane, in Fredericksburg, TX -- a town that celebrates its German heritage

The reason I would assume that my great-grandfather would know better is that he would have known her parents personally. They married in Germany and came here with their first two children. But, I know anything is possible. For all I know, the person writing down the iformation from my great-grandfather may not have heard right and just wrote what he heard. Or was dealing with listening to a German accent and writing down what he thought he heard. I've been doing genealogy long enough not to totally discount anything. Thanks for the suggestions. Elaine On 5/30/07, J Ebaugh <jke32039@yahoo.com> wrote: > Elaine, > > Here's another thought on your name difficulties. You state that you thought your great-grandfather would know the name better than your grandfather, since your grandfather did not know his grandparents. However, since it was the maiden name of your grandfather's mother that was in question, I wonder if he got the name directly from her telling it to him. After all, she'd have a better knowledge of how her surname was pronounced (even if she couldn't spell it) than her husband would have. The fact that it is longer and more specific than Kusc makes me suspect that is HER version of the name, therefore likely to be more correct. > > Good luck! > Janet

Hi Elaine, I hope that the message you are referring to did not reflect your message to me. Your response to my post came through just fine. Wendy --- Elaine O'Neill <elaineoneill1948@gmail.com> wrote: > Every time I post to the list I get this in > response. If someone > doesn't want mail from the list, why don't they just > unsubscribe > instead of letting their e-mail client consider it > spam. > > "ATTENTION! > > A message you recently sent to a 0Spam.com user with > the subject "Re: > [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Kusc - Marquadt--US Church Rec..." > was not delivered > because they are using the 0Spam.com anti-spam > service. Please click > the link below to confirm that this is not spam. > When you confirm, > this message and all future messages you send will > automatically be > accepted. > > http://www.0spam.com/v.cgi?user=1124988145&verify=848021" > > Elaine O'. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also dream; not only plan, but also believe. -Anatole France ____________________________________________________________________________________Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469

Maureen, That spam filter is NOT coming from my e-mail. It's coming from another lister, and I have no idea who it is. Elaine On 5/30/07, Spaghettitree@aol.com <Spaghettitree@aol.com> wrote: > > I spent a good bit of time looking up all your names, only now to be told it > is spam, and the Dspam connection does not work. Baloney. > > Maureen >

If you can stand one more e-mail regarding this topic, I can tell you that about 15 years ago, I did extensive research on my Glass line through the Sankt Katharina Braunsberg Katholic Kirche (St. Katherine's Catholic Church, Braunsberg, Ostpreussen, Prussia) LDS microfilm records. It was a gold mine of information giving me complete family trees for my great-great grandfather's family (though I came up completely dry for his wife!) going back 200 years. One name that I encountered very often was "Marquart." This name initially caught my eye because I, too, didn't think it sounded German, and it was as far away from France as you could get in Germany. The main reason that I remember that name, though, is that a vast majority of the Marquart births were marked with an "X" to denote illegitimacy, and it made me wonder about those Marquart girls! Another name that I ran across in those records, though only once, was the only noble birth I encountered, that of a child born to a von Frankenstein family. I'm sure there was no connection to the fictional characters, though. -----Original Message----- From: prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elaine O'Neill Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:05 PM To: PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Kusc - Marquadt I sent to Michigan for my Great-grandmother's death certificate. Rather than it answering some questions it's only creating more. Partly because of the handwriting on the original record, and partly because of conflicting information. I was hoping for a definite birth location, but only got "Germany". On well. Could be worse I guess. But the big questions are regarding names. On my grandfather's marriage record from Windsor, Ontario he gives his mother's maiden name as BRUCHESCI. I assumed there may have been a spelling error but that the correct name would at least be something similar. But no! On her death record her husband gives her father's name as John KUSC, and her mother's maiden name as Tesia (?) MARQUADT. Is MARQUADT a German name? It almost sounds a bit French to me. And how does one get BRUCHESCI from KUSC? I have to assume that the information on the death record is more accurate because it was provided by her husband, rather than one of her children. Thanks for any input or advice. Elaine O'. in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message