Yes, LGO, of course you are absolutely correct, about the parking, too! I said that about Philadelphia because that's what the librarians told me. They were probably thinking linerally. Maybe they've never been to a FHL, who knows? There's a Family History Library right in my town and I would have gone that route if not for the "Germans to America" series. One of the major things I wanted to know by seeing the manifest (that castlegarden.org doesn't tell you as yet) was who my GF traveled with (if it compared to family legend, etc) and the series does list passengers in the same order as they appear on the manifests. 1891 in this case. But I couldn't tell if he was traveling with the people near him on the list until I was pondering over all the US censuses my GF's listed on and I finally realized that by 1910, he was living 2 doors down from the family just before him on the mainifest! Now i just have to figure out why. The wife could have been another sibling - it's been hard, but I'm finding more that also showed up in Cleveland. Or my GM's sibling - yet ANOTHER candidate for her surname? It's all so confusing! But thanks for your suggestions and support - keep 'em coming!!! Julia ----Original Message Follows---- From: LGO ô¿ô <Le_Geefted_One@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] G to A & OW - Preussen Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 09:52:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.245.138.237 Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com ([66.43.27.39]) by bay0-mc2-f8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 1 Jun 2007 07:53:02 -0700 Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com (lists2.rootsweb.com [192.168.65.39])by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l51Eqp8m023746for <juliasgenes@hotmail.com>; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 08:52:59 -0600 Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.65.34])by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l51EqkcK023447for <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@lists2.rootsweb.com>; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 08:52:46 -0600 Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net(elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67])by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l51EqNhA007872for <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com>; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 08:52:44 -0600 Received: from [66.245.138.237] (helo=ownerl8h7vpnu4)by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34)id 1Hu8UG-0004Ap-9rfor prussia-roots@rootsweb.com; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 10:52:20 -0400 X-Message-Info: 5ZHoJh3ZkQ2beHhjtR/Lqw+jGgHyYqvlcOX901YQIttX/7kYcd+iVW3Tpx/DmeMS References: <BAY114-F237D7E0732BEAEF86846A8BD2C0@phx.gbl> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-ELNK-Trace: f8b3dc210c95d5522d053b75b59373a46f36dc87813833b2fa44b31bb60a93560c5dd4e6f2cc27019372ba8d345f7528350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 192.168.65.34 X-BeenThere: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7 Precedence: list List-Id: <prussia-roots.rootsweb.com> X-Loop: PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com X-Member: PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists2.rootsweb.com/mailman/listinfo/prussia-roots>, <mailto:prussia-roots-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=prussia-roots> List-Post: <mailto:prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> List-Help: <mailto:prussia-roots-request@rootsweb.com?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists2.rootsweb.com/mailman/listinfo/prussia-roots>,<mailto:prussia-roots-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: juliasgene:s+juliasgenes=hotmail.com@rootsweb.com Return-Path: prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2007 14:53:03.0023 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E08B3F0:01C7A45C] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julia Everett" <juliasgenes@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] G to A & OW - Preussen > > The librarians had a huddle to compare notes and told me that the Wiemar > did > indeed make landfall on 22 Apr 1891, but in Baltimore, not NYC - so I > would > have to go to NARA's Philadelphia branch to see the filmstrip! Why would you have to make that trip to Philadelphia? You can order those microfilms through your nearest LDS Family History Center. Unless you live incredibly close to NARA Philadelphia, I would bet there's a FHC a lot nearer to your home. I would even bet you don't have to pay for parking at the FHC! :) Good luck, LGO ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm

Any attachment that you aren't aware of ahead of time is probably spam. Don't ever open one. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Vincent" <nancylv1@sbcglobal.net> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 12:38 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] A question on list function Hi George, There was no attachment on my end. Nancy, Flint Mich. George/Rosalie <TheRanch@centurytel.net> wrote: Excuse me for being a little off topic for a moment but I have a question for the rest of you on the list. I know that Rootsweb does not allow attachments on any posts. I get anywhere from 40 to 80 posts a day from various lists and usually one or two of them have an attachment. It is always the same attachment called Part 1.2 and this has been going on for months. The post below is the latest one from this list with the attachment. Actually I got two from this list today. I'd like to hear from a few of you on whether or not anyone else is seeing what I'm seeing and, if not, then the problem must be with my server. Please contact me off list to keep from propagating this subject in the archives. Thanks - George gensearcher@att.net wrote: > The CDs are next to useless. I will not even consider using them - even as > a guide. While the GTA books are far from perfect they are better than the > CDs. I found all but one of my immigrant families in the books. But I also > went further and searched the microfilm of the various ship arrivals for > each family as there is often additional information on the original ship > list that doesn't appear in the books. Transcribed data should always be > verified by viewing the original source material. Sheila K. > > -------------- Original message from "Julia Everett" : -------------- > > > >> Hello, >> >> I went to the manhattan NARA branch and looked at many of the "Germans to >> American" volumes - both series 1 & 2, and saw no errata sheets in any of >> the volumes I looked through. Perhaps the CDs have the needed corrections >> incorporated into them??? Julia >> >> PS: I'm sorry not to clean up the last reply I sent - I'm evil! >> >> >> "----Original Message Follows---- >> From: "Stanley M. Berkner" >> >> Does Series II include any of those left out of the >> original? >> Stan B. >> >> --- LGO ô¿ô wrote: >> >> >>> The original Germans to America only began with the >>> year 1850. >>> >>> The Series II of it starts in 1840 so you may be in >>> >> luck." >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> PC Magazine's 2007 editors' choice for best Web mail-award-winning >> Windows >> Live Hotmail. >> http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM >> _mini_pcmag_0507 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Julia Everett Your journey to find the ship manifest sounds like a typical genealogy quest. Sometime in it is a long and twisting pathway to concrete knowledge. Carol

Hello, ROLLO+ ~ Thanks for the Prussian website. It will come in handy if I ever figure out my GM's surname from the plerthora of options I have. Well, the G to A volumes and the CDs will be obsolete in the future anyway. I thought that errata would have beeen issued along the way, though. I found my GF and "his" ship's info right away at CastleGarden.org and sacrificed a weekday to go to the Manhattan branch of the National Archives to get a copy of the manifest image. But neither I nor the 3 librarians could find it in the microfilms. They suggested I call CG while they manually researched their holdings. The CG receptionist transfered me right to Dr. Filby himself! (hope I got that right) He seemed annoyed with the interruption and told me that "there are many reasons why the ship's manifest wouldn't be on the film the librarians expected it to be", but didn't elaborate and I was too surprised (and inexperienced) to ask questions. He was irked that the librarians hadn't immediately directed me to "Germans to America" (the first time I ever heard of the books was from the author himself) and assured me that the Castle Garden site "is a work in progress" that plans to eventually have the filmed manifest images available online. The librarians had a huddle to compare notes and told me that the Wiemar did indeed make landfall on 22 Apr 1891, but in Baltimore, not NYC - so I would have to go to NARA's Philadelphia branch to see the filmstrip! Meanwhile, in G to A, the port and dates were accurately listed for the Wiemar, but some of the details are wrong or absent. The manifest image has recently popped up on Ancestry.com (under Port of Baltimore), but not soon enough to save me a fruitless trip to Manhattan! There's still no easy way out - you HAVE to look at the filmed manifest images, too! Yours, Julia "----Original Message Follows---- From: "R. Lipprandt" <rloss@bellsouth.net> >[I've also read some of the critiques of the G to > A series (to be fair, it IS a huge undertaking). But so many set such > store >by the CD version, that I was wondering if some of the known errors and >omissions were addressed in them. Thanks for the update.] Yes, I agree it was a huge undertaking and hailed when first done because nothing like it had ever been done before. Afterwards, things began to unravel when individual researchers began comparing information from microfilms to the information presented in the first series of G to A. As far as I know, no corrections/updates are being made or planned for the series. > Also, I've read your "historical perspective" posts with great interest. I >truly appreciate your efforts in that regard and save the information for >future reference. There is another site that deals extensively with Prussia, Prussian life, etc. etc. if you Julia or anyone else out there in cyberland is interested: http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/ow-preussen-l The site is German/English, mostly German but if queries are sent in English, they will be so answered. A password is received and hoops are jumped through in order to gain access. A good dictionary/online translation site is also helpful. Lots of good information and perspective can be absorbed as many are aging X-Prussians/Germans and current citizens of Germany. Who knows... you may even pick up some German or German terms that were not known before! Regards, Rollo+" _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507

----- Original Message ----- From: "Julia Everett" <juliasgenes@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] G to A & OW - Preussen > > The librarians had a huddle to compare notes and told me that the Wiemar > did > indeed make landfall on 22 Apr 1891, but in Baltimore, not NYC - so I > would > have to go to NARA's Philadelphia branch to see the filmstrip! Why would you have to make that trip to Philadelphia? You can order those microfilms through your nearest LDS Family History Center. Unless you live incredibly close to NARA Philadelphia, I would bet there's a FHC a lot nearer to your home. I would even bet you don't have to pay for parking at the FHC! :) Good luck, LGO

Hi List: I'm sorry I get e-mails every now and then from this list and did not get the original of how this e-mail begun. Is someone available to do lookups on this particular CD? If so, please let me know I have been trying to find my Hoffman's forever. Thanks. Tami Johnston New Orleans, Louisiana JOHNSTON/HOFFMAN/KEISSEL/WEISHEIMER/HOERNER/ZWEIFEL/DOCLAR and too many more to list. --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.

>[I've also read some of the critiques of the G to > A series (to be fair, it IS a huge undertaking). But so many set such > store >by the CD version, that I was wondering if some of the known errors and >omissions were addressed in them. Thanks for the update.] Yes, I agree it was a huge undertaking and hailed when first done because nothing like it had ever been done before. Afterwards, things began to unravel when individual researchers began comparing information from microfilms to the information presented in the first series of G to A. As far as I know, no corrections/updates are being made or planned for the series. > Also, I've read your "historical perspective" posts with great interest. I >truly appreciate your efforts in that regard and save the information for >future reference. There is another site that deals extensively with Prussia, Prussian life, etc. etc. if you Julia or anyone else out there in cyberland is interested: http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/ow-preussen-l The site is German/English, mostly German but if queries are sent in English, they will be so answered. A password is received and hoops are jumped through in order to gain access. A good dictionary/online translation site is also helpful. Lots of good information and perspective can be absorbed as many are aging X-Prussians/Germans and current citizens of Germany. Who knows... you may even pick up some German or German terms that were not known before! > Appreciatively, Julia Regards, Rollo+

Greetings, ROLLO+ ~ I wholeheartedly agree with your opinion of blinding accepting the LDS member-submitted pedigrees and the unsourced Ancestry.com member-submitted pedigrees without question. I've also read some of the critiques of the G to A series (to be fair, it IS a huge undertaking). But so many set such store by the CD version, that I was wondering if some of the known errors and omissions were addressed in them. Thanks for the update. Also, I've read your "historical perspective" posts with great interest. I truly appreciate your efforts in that regard and save the information for future reference. Appreciatively, Julia "----Original Message Follows---- From: "R. Lipprandt" <rloss@bellsouth.net> G to A is a flawed series of documents. It can most certainly be used as guide line of possible times, events and ports. Every once in a while, it hits the mark dead on, most of the time... no. Even items and events placed in the LDS and Ancestry files should also be used as a guide line until you can evaluate your own research. Reasons for "not quite accurate information" are many. Transcription errors, lack of knowledge of what is being transcribed and transcriber fatigue come to mind. Corrections to the original material is mind numbing by the shear mass of information. I do not think I would want to have the responsibility of making corrections. Think of it this way, 20+ volumes in the G to A series, going over every entry (150+ per page times the number of pages per volume) and making corrections... I think the funny farm and rubber room would be next! The second series of CD's may have information that the original did not have, but again who did the transcriptions and how accurate are they? Consider the source(s), use the information as a guide line, do your own research and make detailed notes of your research sources... Regards, Rollo+" _________________________________________________________________ Play games, earn tickets, get cool prizes. Play now–it's FREE! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink1

Hi George, There was no attachment on my end. Nancy, Flint Mich. George/Rosalie <TheRanch@centurytel.net> wrote: Excuse me for being a little off topic for a moment but I have a question for the rest of you on the list. I know that Rootsweb does not allow attachments on any posts. I get anywhere from 40 to 80 posts a day from various lists and usually one or two of them have an attachment. It is always the same attachment called Part 1.2 and this has been going on for months. The post below is the latest one from this list with the attachment. Actually I got two from this list today. I'd like to hear from a few of you on whether or not anyone else is seeing what I'm seeing and, if not, then the problem must be with my server. Please contact me off list to keep from propagating this subject in the archives. Thanks - George gensearcher@att.net wrote: > The CDs are next to useless. I will not even consider using them - even as a guide. While the GTA books are far from perfect they are better than the CDs. I found all but one of my immigrant families in the books. But I also went further and searched the microfilm of the various ship arrivals for each family as there is often additional information on the original ship list that doesn't appear in the books. Transcribed data should always be verified by viewing the original source material. Sheila K. > > -------------- Original message from "Julia Everett" : -------------- > > > >> Hello, >> >> I went to the manhattan NARA branch and looked at many of the "Germans to >> American" volumes - both series 1 & 2, and saw no errata sheets in any of >> the volumes I looked through. Perhaps the CDs have the needed corrections >> incorporated into them??? Julia >> >> PS: I'm sorry not to clean up the last reply I sent - I'm evil! >> >> >> "----Original Message Follows---- >> From: "Stanley M. Berkner" >> >> Does Series II include any of those left out of the >> original? >> Stan B. >> >> --- LGO ô¿ô wrote: >> >> >>> The original Germans to America only began with the >>> year 1850. >>> >>> The Series II of it starts in 1840 so you may be in >>> >> luck." >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows >> Live Hotmail. >> http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM >> _mini_pcmag_0507 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Any idea where we can purchase the "Germans to America" CD, preferably including the new Volume II? Cheers Arnold

George, I'm not getting an attachment. Jane, in TX

I have a couple of lists of German Church Record Symbols and in each of them the "x" denotes "married". oo also denotes married. Illigitimacy is denoted by the word "unehelich" or one of the following symbols: o - o, (*), - /. Death is denoted "+". Sheila K.

The CDs are next to useless. I will not even consider using them - even as a guide. While the GTA books are far from perfect they are better than the CDs. I found all but one of my immigrant families in the books. But I also went further and searched the microfilm of the various ship arrivals for each family as there is often additional information on the original ship list that doesn't appear in the books. Transcribed data should always be verified by viewing the original source material. Sheila K. -------------- Original message from "Julia Everett" <juliasgenes@hotmail.com>: -------------- > Hello, > > I went to the manhattan NARA branch and looked at many of the "Germans to > American" volumes - both series 1 & 2, and saw no errata sheets in any of > the volumes I looked through. Perhaps the CDs have the needed corrections > incorporated into them??? Julia > > PS: I'm sorry not to clean up the last reply I sent - I'm evil! > > > "----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Stanley M. Berkner" > > Does Series II include any of those left out of the > original? > Stan B. > > --- LGO ô¿ô wrote: > > > The original Germans to America only began with the > > year 1850. > > > > The Series II of it starts in 1840 so you may be in > luck." > > _________________________________________________________________ > PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows > Live Hotmail. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM > _mini_pcmag_0507 >

Excuse me for being a little off topic for a moment but I have a question for the rest of you on the list. I know that Rootsweb does not allow attachments on any posts. I get anywhere from 40 to 80 posts a day from various lists and usually one or two of them have an attachment. It is always the same attachment called Part 1.2 and this has been going on for months. The post below is the latest one from this list with the attachment. Actually I got two from this list today. I'd like to hear from a few of you on whether or not anyone else is seeing what I'm seeing and, if not, then the problem must be with my server. Please contact me off list to keep from propagating this subject in the archives. Thanks - George gensearcher@att.net wrote: > The CDs are next to useless. I will not even consider using them - even as a guide. While the GTA books are far from perfect they are better than the CDs. I found all but one of my immigrant families in the books. But I also went further and searched the microfilm of the various ship arrivals for each family as there is often additional information on the original ship list that doesn't appear in the books. Transcribed data should always be verified by viewing the original source material. Sheila K. > > -------------- Original message from "Julia Everett" <juliasgenes@hotmail.com>: -------------- > > > >> Hello, >> >> I went to the manhattan NARA branch and looked at many of the "Germans to >> American" volumes - both series 1 & 2, and saw no errata sheets in any of >> the volumes I looked through. Perhaps the CDs have the needed corrections >> incorporated into them??? Julia >> >> PS: I'm sorry not to clean up the last reply I sent - I'm evil! >> >> >> "----Original Message Follows---- >> From: "Stanley M. Berkner" >> >> Does Series II include any of those left out of the >> original? >> Stan B. >> >> --- LGO ô¿ô wrote: >> >> >>> The original Germans to America only began with the >>> year 1850. >>> >>> The Series II of it starts in 1840 so you may be in >>> >> luck." >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows >> Live Hotmail. >> http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM >> _mini_pcmag_0507 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again! I believe I paid somewhere around $56. for each.? That was almost 10 years ago. Ann ? -----Original Message----- From: Wendy Fischbach <wfischbach@yahoo.com> To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:23 am Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Germans to America CD Hello Arnold, This may sound like a strange source, but I have noticed that CD up for auction on Ebay. Wendy --- Arnold Chamove <ArnoldChamove@Ynnovate.co.NZ> wrote: > Any idea where we can purchase the "Germans to > America" CD, preferably > including the new Volume II? > Cheers > Arnold > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also dream; not only plan, but also believe. -Anatole France ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Genealogy.com? Check for the CD's they are selling.? I believe the numbers are 355 & 356.? I am on vacation and do not have access to my two with dates 850-1874 and 1875-1888.? I will be home after June 7th.? If you cannot locate them, I will see if I can help. Ann ? -----Original Message----- From: Arnold Chamove <ArnoldChamove@Ynnovate.co.NZ> To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:14 am Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Germans to America CD Any idea where we can purchase the "Germans to America" CD, preferably including the new Volume II? Cheers Arnold ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

G to A is a flawed series of documents. It can most certainly be used as guide line of possible times, events and ports. Every once in a while, it hits the mark dead on, most of the time... no. Even items and events placed in the LDS and Ancestry files should also be used as a guide line until you can evaluate your own research. Reasons for "not quite accurate information" are many. Transcription errors, lack of knowledge of what is being transcribed and transcriber fatigue come to mind. Corrections to the original material is mind numbing by the shear mass of information. I do not think I would want to have the responsibility of making corrections. Think of it this way, 20+ volumes in the G to A series, going over every entry (150+ per page times the number of pages per volume) and making corrections... I think the funny farm and rubber room would be next! The second series of CD's may have information that the original did not have, but again who did the transcriptions and how accurate are they? Consider the source(s), use the information as a guide line, do your own research and make detailed notes of your research sources... Regards, Rollo+ ============ Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Germans to America > Hello, > > I went to the manhattan NARA branch and looked at many of the "Germans to > American" volumes - both series 1 & 2, and saw no errata sheets in any of > the volumes I looked through. Perhaps the CDs have the needed corrections > incorporated into them??? Julia > > PS: I'm sorry not to clean up the last reply I sent - I'm evil! > > ==================== > Does Series II include any of those left out of the > original? > Stan B. >

Hello, I went to the manhattan NARA branch and looked at many of the "Germans to American" volumes - both series 1 & 2, and saw no errata sheets in any of the volumes I looked through. Perhaps the CDs have the needed corrections incorporated into them??? Julia PS: I'm sorry not to clean up the last reply I sent - I'm evil! "----Original Message Follows---- From: "Stanley M. Berkner" <smberkner@yahoo.com> Does Series II include any of those left out of the original? Stan B. --- LGO ô¿ô <Le_Geefted_One@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > The original Germans to America only began with the > year 1850. > > The Series II of it starts in 1840 so you may be in luck." _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507

New Orleans Passenger Lists, 1820-1945 about Johann Behl Name: Johann Behl Arrival Date: 16 Mar 1852 Age: 20 Gender: Male Port of Departure: Le Havre, France Ship Name: Manchester Port of Arrival: New Orleans, Louisiana National Archives' Series Number: M259_35 Its states he left from france and is headed to Illinois, but rest of family not listed, at least not next to him, just did a quick scan for them. Michaele -------------- Original message -------------- From: Ginger316@aol.com > Could someone please help be by doing a lookup on Germans to America. > I can't find the name of the boat my ancesters came to America on. > My Ancestor is Johann Phillip Boehl (Behl,Bohl different spellings) > Wife Christina Schramm-Behl and their children Henry William 9 Years old at > the time, Johnny died at sea. > > We know they arrived in New Orleans 1852 and arrived in Sangamon Cty. > Illinois in July 1852. > They settled and raised a family in Sangamon Cty. Illinois > > Family Legend says they came into America Thru New Orleans. This has not > been confirmed. I understand they arrived on a small boat, maybe a work boat. > > Any help is appreciated. > _Ginger316@AOL.Com_ (mailto:Ginger316@AOL.Com) > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Back in 1874 when our ancestors arrived in Manitoba, Canada, some of the group immediately moved to Kansas and possibly Nebraska. There were Loewens that moved to Kansas, I believe, Solomon Loewens. We are not sure where they have all spread out to in the meantime. We have a book on the descendents of Isaak Loewen (1759-18_). A quick skim through the book does not indicate any South Dakota addresses, but who knows. Our son who works in East Moline, Illinois has a co-worker by the name of Loewen as well. He sent us his family tree and we do not find that it overlaps with ours, but it might with yours. Frieda ----- Original Message ----- From: "jack schafer" <jschafer0414@sbcglobal.net> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Illegitimacy > Freida, Did any of your Loewn family go to South Dakota? If so, I will > give you some info on Helena Loewen Schafer, with some questions. > > Thanks, Jack Schafer > > Frieda Loewen <floewen@xplornet.com> wrote: I read your entry with > interest. My background is Mennonite and I can trace > my roots back to Russia and from there to East Prussia. I have the > majority > of my, and my husband's, family lines going back to the 1700's and the odd > few into the 1600's. However, of late I am unable to go any further. > Were > records not kept further back? Also I have heard that people did not use > surnames until perhaps in the 1500's or even 1600's. Would that be the > problem? If you have any leads for me, please let me know, Thank you! > Frieda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R. Lipprandt" > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:23 PM > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Illegitimacy > > >> >> Illegitimate... maybe, maybe not. It depends upon the religious view of >> the >> transcriber. >> >> Without getting into a religious uproar about my statement (above), >> Prussia >> (with Köningburg as capitol) was predominantly protestant (Evangelical >> and >> Lutheran). By this I mean Ostpreussen (East Prussia) and Westpreussen >> (West >> Prussia). Provinces near France, Italy, Austria and Poland would have had >> a >> Catholic influence. The Evangelical Church was the largest religious >> denomination in all of what we consider Prussia. >> >> The Prussians were the ones that stabilized the religious wars in the >> German >> speaking areas of Europe. Four religions were made official, >> Evangelical, >> Lutheran, Mennonite and Catholic (Roman). Now... if you were Evangelical >> and >> lived in a Catholic area, and you wanted your birth/marriage/baptism >> recorded in a church (and no Evangelical Church was at hand), then it was >> registered with the Catholic church. O.K., if your religious views did >> not >> match that of the registry and the register of the document had, then >> your >> parents were not married. With that thought in mind, then most everyone >> was >> illegitimate. The same would hold true with Catholics registering in >> Evangelical/Lutheran or Mennonite books... if you get my drift. >> >> As for the non-Prussian/German sounding names yes, quite possible. With >> the >> religious wars in mind, refuges such as French Huguenots, Dutch >> Protestants, >> etc. etc. etc. migrated to East and West Prussia because of religious >> freedom. Even the out of work ship carpenters from Italy had a hand in >> building the magnificent cathedrals of Prussia. >> >> The reverse migration was when Catherine the Great of Russia (originally >> a >> princess from West Prussia) invited the German farmers (those without >> land) >> to the Ukraine to farm the land the Russians either couldn't or wouldn't. >> Eventually, those German settlers had to convert to the Russian Orthodox >> church or loose everything they had.... or leave. >> >> There is so much involved with the religious registering. Googling is the >> best answer and my vote is that the Marquart/Marquardt girls did not >> provide >> the illegitimate births as so recorded, the items were only recorded that >> way because of the view of the transcriber. >> >> I will now turn it over to more knowledgeable individuals... >> >> Regards, Rollo+ >> =========== >> >> Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Kusc - Marquadt >> >> >>> If you can stand one more e-mail regarding this topic, I can tell you >>> that >>> about 15 years ago, I did extensive research on my Glass line through >>> the >>> Sankt Katharina Braunsberg Katholic Kirche (St. Katherine's Catholic >>> Church, >>> Braunsberg, Ostpreussen, Prussia) LDS microfilm records. It was a gold >>> mine >>> of information giving me complete family trees for my great-great >>> grandfather's family (though I came up completely dry for his wife!) >>> going >>> back 200 years. One name that I encountered very often was "Marquart." >>> This name initially caught my eye because I, too, didn't think it >>> sounded >>> German, and it was as far away from France as you could get in Germany. >>> The >>> main reason that I remember that name, though, is that a vast majority >>> of >>> the Marquart births were marked with an "X" to denote illegitimacy, and >>> it >>> made me wonder about those Marquart girls! Another name that I ran >>> across >>> in those records, though only once, was the only noble birth I >>> encountered, >>> that of a child born to a von Frankenstein family. I'm sure there was >>> no >>> connection to the fictional characters, though. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elaine O'Neill >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:05 PM >>> To: PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Kusc - Marquadt >>> >>> I sent to Michigan for my Great-grandmother's death certificate. >>> Rather than it answering some questions it's only creating more. >>> Partly because of the handwriting on the original record, and partly >>> because of conflicting information. >>> >>> I was hoping for a definite birth location, but only got "Germany". >>> On well. Could be worse I guess. >>> >>> But the big questions are regarding names. On my grandfather's >>> marriage record from Windsor, Ontario he gives his mother's maiden >>> name as BRUCHESCI. I assumed there may have been a spelling error but >>> that the correct name would at least be something similar. But no! On >>> her death record her husband gives her father's name as John KUSC, and >>> her mother's maiden name as Tesia (?) MARQUADT. Is MARQUADT a German >>> name? It almost sounds a bit French to me. And how does one get >>> BRUCHESCI from KUSC? I have to assume that the information on the >>> death record is more accurate because it was provided by her husband, >>> rather than one of her children. >>> >>> Thanks for any input or advice. >>> >>> Elaine O'. >>> in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message