Hi Margaret, I have had those problems too with badly misspelt names. Have you tried looking at where other passengers on same ship originated - I did that, found all I could on maps and then concentrated on looking in those regions at ca 1850s maps. You might be lucky... It partly worked for me but was very labour intensive. Presume you have checked IGI, message boards and all that sort of thing for surnames. My tricky ones were on a ship 1856 to Moreton Bay - turned out Gresbach was really Kressbach, but there were places like Criesbach etc also nearby. Looks so obvious now but it took me years to sort (mostly pre-Internet). Good luck, and if you wish to share any breakthroughs I would be happy to share them :-) Kind regards, Bronwyn Klimach. On 6/8/07, Margaret Widjaya <mawidjaya@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Hello > > > > I have an ancestor who arrived in Australia aboard the "Daniel Ross" on 27 > April 1855 departed Hamburg. > > The "Daniel Ross" passenger list lists a "Antoni Mella", however all > records > in Australia refer to him as Antoni Melzer > > Became A/an Citizen 11 Jan 1872; stated 43yrs old, & born ?Hesobists, > Central Prussia. > > > > I have been at a 'dead end' now for several years. I can not even seem to > be > able to find where Central Prussia was/is. I thought if I found the area > then I maybe able to work out the town name. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. > > > > Margaret > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Julia, My great-grandmother came alone with the children. My grandmother and her siblings came alone with her grandmother. Many females in my family came alone. Sometimes there was a cousin on the same ship. Sometimes there were already family here...cousins, etc. Carol

Bill: I find your emails of great interest.  When I read them I feel like I in school.  Love it. Ann   -----Original Message----- From: jetski <jetski@grics.net> To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 10:44 am Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Slavic DNA Your problem is not as unique as you might think especially when people have ad to come to grips with being slavic or not. In many circles throughout he world, being slavic equates to being a second class person, which of ourse is wrong. This idea is offensive to all Polish people and to ussians and to those who are part of eastern Europe. Germans had a real problems with Slavic people, as did the Prussians, they oo being Germanic, heneforth your relatives claimed Prussian or German to ive them a higher standing in the world. This issue is something akin to hite verses black. ithuania people are for the most part slavic as well, and they also have a arge Jewish contingent. The Three Stooges were Lituania Jews. Charles Bronson was Slavic. Thrown n the mix of all this are the gypies. Ule Brenner was gypy or as their ace is properly known as ROM. When people migrated they saw a chance to change their lives for what they elt would be for the betterment of themselves and their offspring. This is nother reason why so many of (the old ones) remained silent. They chose to emain silent to change the past. s for those German speaking people, I am not sure, other than the Tutonic nights brought Christianity to the Germanic tribes and the Tutonic Knights ere Germans who worked for the Catholic Church. I hope I haven't run on to the point of boring anyone, but I have always ound this subject of great interest, especially since my people come from hat area. It becomes very personal. Bill Hoeft ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Johann Nicholas Fuchs, son of Frederick Adam Fuchs, was born Aug. 28, 1821, and emigrated to New York via the ship /Florida /in June 1842. In 1850, he was living in Milwaukee--the census records him as John--with his wife Margaret (born 1826) and three children, born 1845-1849 in New York. By 1860, he had married Catherine Koch (born Dec 27 1838). Their oldest child was born Sep. 17, 1862. Johann's naturalization papers record him as renouncing allegiance to King Ludwig of Prussia. The only Frederick Adam Fuchs I have been able to find was born in Eckweiler, Prussia, in 1780. Wisconsin records and church records yielded only his father's name. The LDS church records for that site stop at 1800, so I have been unable to verify that this is our family. Still, the naming patterns fit. All this is prelude to my questions: 1. Where does New York store its marriage records for the years 1842-1845? 2. If the city of Milwaukee shows no marriage records for John & Catherine, is there a state repository for Wisconsin marriages during the 1850's? (I realize that it is possible that they married in Northern Illinois or Indiana.) 3. How does one find a reliable genealogist in Germany to verify the church records I have found through FamilySearch? Or is there another source I may have missed? I am aware that, if I can find the marriage records I need, they may well yield the information I seek, and I am hoping that such is the case. However, I have been stonewalled so often with Johann that I'm asking the Prussia question as well. Ellie Depew

Ellie If You search for some records in the U.S.A. , then check out the link http://www.loricase.com/CDs/cdlist.html They want You to use Their FFI ( Family Finders Index ) section , before You e-mail a volunteer for a free lookup. Note ; there are a lot of CDs info in that site , so after You check out the FFI , check ALL of the CDs for the info that You need Karl Roussin ==================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellie Depew" <SraEllie@carolina.rr.com> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Johann Nicholas Fuchs > Johann Nicholas Fuchs, son of Frederick Adam Fuchs, was born Aug. 28, > 1821, and emigrated to New York via the ship /Florida /in June 1842. In > 1850, he was living in Milwaukee--the census records him as John--with > his wife Margaret (born 1826) and three children, born 1845-1849 in New > York. By 1860, he had married Catherine Koch (born Dec 27 1838). Their > oldest child was born Sep. 17, 1862. > > Johann's naturalization papers record him as renouncing allegiance to > King Ludwig of Prussia. The only Frederick Adam Fuchs I have been able > to find was born in Eckweiler, Prussia, in 1780. Wisconsin records and > church records yielded only his father's name. The LDS church records > for that site stop at 1800, so I have been unable to verify that this is > our family. Still, the naming patterns fit. > > All this is prelude to my questions: > 1. Where does New York store its marriage records for the years > 1842-1845? > 2. If the city of Milwaukee shows no marriage records for John & > Catherine, is there a state repository for Wisconsin > marriages during the 1850's? (I realize that it is possible that they > married in Northern Illinois or Indiana.) > 3. How does one find a reliable genealogist in Germany to verify > the church records I have found through FamilySearch? Or > is there another source I may have missed? > > I am aware that, if I can find the marriage records I need, they may > well yield the information I seek, and I am hoping that such is the > case. However, I have been stonewalled so often with Johann that I'm > asking the Prussia question as well. > > Ellie Depew > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bill Hoeft - I am so glad you wrote out what I have been trying to tell people for years, after hearing story after story after story - "My mother wouldn't lie", Uncle Louie ought to know, he came from there" or "it was in a newspaper article" or "grandma wrote it in her Bible". This is compounded by people who do not look into the history or geography or chronology of events their ancestors may have been involved in, ignore the languages altogether because they're "too hard" - and worsened by the fact that many people today want instant Internet families, proven or not. There's good reason I always (ALWAYS) go to the documents and books first and seek primary sources over secondary ones. There is another set of second-class citizens - that is the females, in pretty much every culture, and ongoing. The price is high, and permanent. Thanks! Maureen Schoenky ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I hope I don't lose any readers of this e-mail due to its length. I'll highlight my main questions in bullet points at the end. My focus is in finding the birth record and parents of my great-great grandmother, Maria Louisa Teddick, born June 29, 1818. I have had very good success researching her husband Hugo Glass's ancestors through the LDS church records of Braunsberg, Ostpreussen, but I'm stuck on my Teddick, Tidig, Theidich, Tydyck, Theidigk etc family. My great-grandfather Franz Glass, was born April 10, 1849 in Gross Kronau (now Kronowo, Poland) and his birth is registered at Gross Lemkendorf (now Lamkowo, Poland), but, none of his mother's family appears in the church records. One of the god parents on his christening certificate is a Franz Tydyck and I wonder if that may have been Maria Louisa's brother. I have found another researcher who has conducted casual research of Tydick families in the same area and he found that in Kiwitten there is a marriage record for 33-year-old Franz Thiedigk who married a Theresia Grunert in 1854. Again, this could be the same Franz Tydyck and puts him at the right age to be Maria Louisa's brother. The marriage record indicates that this Franz Thiedigk originated from Lokau, a small village that belonged to the parish of Seeburg, and I'm told that Lokau is only 10 km from Gross Lemkendorf. Again, there are no baptismal records for Maria Louisa in Kiwitten for the years before and after her birth (June 29, 1818) and the Catholic records for Seeburg only cover the years 1876-1947. Protestant records for that town begin only in 1824, but I have ordered the film and will see if a marriage record for Maria Louisa and her husband Hugo Glass exists. She, Hugo and their son Franz Glass left Germany via Hamburg, on September 2, 1850 and arrived in Galveston, Texas on November 13, 1850. I have searched through LDS films for birth records in many parishes in East Prussia and am now honing in on the Gross Lemkendorf / Seeburg / Kiwitten area in general as my focus. Now for my questions: 1. One of the ladies and the local LDS library tells me many Polish churches refused to allow their records to be filmed. Is there any way to find if Catholic records for places such as Seeburg exist but for some reason the LDS church may never have filmed them? If so, how would I find where they are and if it's possible to have someone research them? Is there a Polish church book repository and would they have German records? 2. I believe that for the most part, many of the East and West Prussian church records were taken to a Catholic church book archive in Munich as the Russians were advancing into the area during WW II. The Tydyck researcher I mentioned earlier says he believes German church records are being repatriated to their original parishes now in Poland. If this is true, is there a way to look up the Polish parishes to find their addresses? Were Protestant church records also evacuated from that territory as the Catholic church records were and do we know where they may have been reposted? 3. In the LDS locality index, I find references for church records, and underneath where I usually find whether they are Katholiche or Evangelische, instead it will say, for instance, "Preussen Armee, Dragoner Regiment 06" and list birth, marriage and death records. What exactly is this? Were these churches on Prussian army bases for families to register their births and such? I will be happy to receive any suggestions at all that any of you may have. Thank you all for your help. Chuck Glass

Rollo, My grandmother's family also would not admit to anything other that German and living in Prussia, until the St. Petersburg archives identified births in Volhynia. When I asked them about the first birth record that I found, they said, "No, our family has not lived outside of Prussia." Finally, after the 3rd birth record they admitted that it truly was their family. My grandmother, Minna Schumann, supposedly was born in 1892 in Eichfier, West Prussia. I still have not found her birth record, but then SLC does not have all the birth records from there. I realize also that Minna may not be the recorded name as another grandmother, Amelia, was found to have the birth name of Regina Wilhelmine Emelie. Carol

Didn't think that small phrase would cause a stir. What I meant was my Ziebell family would not have allowed her to...not that the ship wouldn't allow itl!

Your problem is not as unique as you might think especially when people have had to come to grips with being slavic or not. In many circles throughout the world, being slavic equates to being a second class person, which of course is wrong. This idea is offensive to all Polish people and to Russians and to those who are part of eastern Europe. Germans had a real problems with Slavic people, as did the Prussians, they too being Germanic, heneforth your relatives claimed Prussian or German to give them a higher standing in the world. This issue is something akin to white verses black. Lithuania people are for the most part slavic as well, and they also have a large Jewish contingent. The Three Stooges were Lituania Jews. Charles Bronson was Slavic. Thrown in the mix of all this are the gypies. Ule Brenner was gypy or as their race is properly known as ROM. When people migrated they saw a chance to change their lives for what they felt would be for the betterment of themselves and their offspring. This is another reason why so many of (the old ones) remained silent. They chose to remain silent to change the past. as for those German speaking people, I am not sure, other than the Tutonic Knights brought Christianity to the Germanic tribes and the Tutonic Knights were Germans who worked for the Catholic Church. I hope I haven't run on to the point of boring anyone, but I have always found this subject of great interest, especially since my people come from that area. It becomes very personal. Bill Hoeft ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. Lipprandt" <rloss@bellsouth.net> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 7:39 AM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Slavic DNA > Is this from the same group of individuals that will register your DNA (In > Phoenix, AZ, I believe) in regards to linking to ancestors etc.?? Forgive > me as I do not have the name of the DNA group on hand. > > The reason for my question is my mothers family (Obschernings) migrated > from > Litauen (Lithuania) to Ostpreussen (East Prussia) due to religious > freedoms. > My research of the surname Obschernings entomology has it as partly > Russian > and Slavic was also mentioned. > > But... when my mother was still alive, she would not hear of her ancestors > being anything other than Prussian and after 1871, as German! > > Also read at one time that the original ethnic Prussians (before > Christianization were linked to Lithuanians and Northern Pole's) were run > over by a band of Germanic speaking people, who later became the crusaders > and declared themselves as Prussians. Not sure just how true that is or > the > exact sequence of events. > > Thank you Bill, I do appreciate the Slavic DNA answer. > > Regards, Rollo+~~ > ==================== > > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Slavic DNA > > >> Well, in its simplest form, all Slavic people contain a certain piece >> of >> DNA marker in their make up that people from other races do not. >> >> The people that study DNA can't explain why Slavic's DNA is different, >> but >> they are, and that is what makes Slavic people a race as opposed to being >> just a group of people. >> >> Here is the same explanation in technical terms. >> Two main subgroups of Haplogroup I (Y-DNA) are I-M253/I-M307/I-P30/I-P40 >> which has highest frequency in Scandinavia, Iceland, and northwest >> Europe. >> The other is I-S31 which includes I-P37.2, which is the most common form >> in >> the Balkans and Sardinia, and I-S23/I-S30/I-S32/I-S33, which reaches its >> highest frequency along the northwest coast of continental Europe. >> >> I hope this may help your search. Bill Heoft >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: 6/7/2007 > 2:21 PM > >

Carol, Minna and Mina were often nicknames for Wilhelmine or Wilhelmina in my family, also from Prussia. Janet "Carol M. Duff" <duffc@redwing.net> wrote: Rollo, My grandmother's family also would not admit to anything other that German and living in Prussia, until the St. Petersburg archives identified births in Volhynia. When I asked them about the first birth record that I found, they said, "No, our family has not lived outside of Prussia." Finally, after the 3rd birth record they admitted that it truly was their family. My grandmother, Minna Schumann, supposedly was born in 1892 in Eichfier, West Prussia. I still have not found her birth record, but then SLC does not have all the birth records from there. I realize also that Minna may not be the recorded name as another grandmother, Amelia, was found to have the birth name of Regina Wilhelmine Emelie. Carol ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us.

Is this from the same group of individuals that will register your DNA (In Phoenix, AZ, I believe) in regards to linking to ancestors etc.?? Forgive me as I do not have the name of the DNA group on hand. The reason for my question is my mothers family (Obschernings) migrated from Litauen (Lithuania) to Ostpreussen (East Prussia) due to religious freedoms. My research of the surname Obschernings entomology has it as partly Russian and Slavic was also mentioned. But... when my mother was still alive, she would not hear of her ancestors being anything other than Prussian and after 1871, as German! Also read at one time that the original ethnic Prussians (before Christianization were linked to Lithuanians and Northern Pole's) were run over by a band of Germanic speaking people, who later became the crusaders and declared themselves as Prussians. Not sure just how true that is or the exact sequence of events. Thank you Bill, I do appreciate the Slavic DNA answer. Regards, Rollo+~~ ==================== Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Slavic DNA > Well, in its simplest form, all Slavic people contain a certain piece of > DNA marker in their make up that people from other races do not. > > The people that study DNA can't explain why Slavic's DNA is different, but > they are, and that is what makes Slavic people a race as opposed to being > just a group of people. > > Here is the same explanation in technical terms. > Two main subgroups of Haplogroup I (Y-DNA) are I-M253/I-M307/I-P30/I-P40 > which has highest frequency in Scandinavia, Iceland, and northwest Europe. > The other is I-S31 which includes I-P37.2, which is the most common form > in > the Balkans and Sardinia, and I-S23/I-S30/I-S32/I-S33, which reaches its > highest frequency along the northwest coast of continental Europe. > > I hope this may help your search. Bill Heoft >

Art, I have been trying to find where my Wassmann ancestor came from for about 12 years and so far no luck. Anton was age 46 when he came to the US in 1862. He was a bookbinder. I believe he spent some time in Wash. D.C. before coming to Cincinnati. The passenger list says he came from Hannover. The 1870 census gives Bavaria as his birthplace. There aren't many local records for him, as he died in 1879. From other records that I have found, I have reason to believe that he had a brother Ferdinand and a brother Friedrich. Marian http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genealogylinks/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Strubel" <astrubel1@cox.net> To: <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Cc: <Myrnnch@cinci.rr.com> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] STRUBEL > Hi,I don,t have a Anna Struebel in My tree, My Strubel,s are > from Burstadt,Hesse Darmstadt beginning with My Gr. Grand-Father Peter > B;1853 and going back to last known Peter STRUBEL B; 1729-Lampersteim. > I have a Village Book on Burstadt-but I don,t have access to it right now > but the WASSMANN surname sounds familiar. > Art

OK Rollo+~~ I'll check for some records of Him . There are a lot of HAACK surnames. I have just not ever found any tie-in to Bernhard Thanks Karl ========================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. Lipprandt" <rloss@bellsouth.net> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 6:01 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Haack > Karl, I have a Gerhardt Haack that married into my Schneidereit > (Wannaglauken, Kreis Niederung, Ostpreussen) Familia. You mentioned > "someplace" and I offer "someplace." > > Regards, Rollo+~~ > ============== > > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Kasubian names > > > > > > Reading all of the info about Kasubian surnames that end in " ske " > > > > I have been searching for a birth place record of Bertha Albertina > > DEVONSKE for several years. > > She was born on Feb. 05 1841 ( someplace ) , and married Bernhard > > Haack > > ( someplace ) > > > > Their GTA volumes record that They immigrated from Kosalin , Pommern , > > Prussia. > > > > If anyone has seen where that surname of DEVONSKE came from . Please > > let Me know. > > > > Sincerely > > Karl Roussin > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, in its simplest form, all Slavic people contain a certain piece of DNA marker in their make up that people from other races do not. The people that study DNA can't explain why Slavic's DNA is different, but they are, and that is what makes Slavic people a race as opposed to being just a group of people. Here is the same explanation in technical terms. Two main subgroups of Haplogroup I (Y-DNA) are I-M253/I-M307/I-P30/I-P40 which has highest frequency in Scandinavia, Iceland, and northwest Europe. The other is I-S31 which includes I-P37.2, which is the most common form in the Balkans and Sardinia, and I-S23/I-S30/I-S32/I-S33, which reaches its highest frequency along the northwest coast of continental Europe. I hope this may help your search. Bill Heoft ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. Lipprandt" <rloss@bellsouth.net> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:57 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Slavic DNA > Mr. Hoeft, can you explain please the DNA factor which you mentioned > below? > > Regards, Rollo+~~ > ============== > > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Disappearing People > > >> Hi all. I posted this several days ago but I don't think it was put up. >> Here is another piece of information about surnames that may be helpful >> to >> some of you, especially if you are working between Prussian and >> Kashuby names. >> >> It is almost a given that if you are Kashuby to any degree or Polish, you >> are Slavic. It is one of the truths brotherhoods that we share and >> seperates us from the rest of the world.. Being Slavic sets us apart >> from >> other races of the world because for one, we all share a DNA factor. >> Now, >> there was a time when the Slavic people came across the Oder River from >> Poland and extended by small groupings only as far west as Northern >> Germany, >> or so they thought. >> >> It has now been proven that there existed in a small number, Slavic >> people >> in Sweden. These people were referred to as REM, and they were a warrior >> class of people who fought for the king. When Sweden ruled Northern >> Germany, or Pomerania, the king sent the Slavic Rem people to Pomerania >> to >> fight and protect his land. These Slavic people stayed on and married >> into >> the Kashuby and Polish people, and the Rem surnames survived even until >> today. >> >> So in our search of surnames, we will even encounter Swedish names, and >> yet >> not know how they came to be there. >> Just thought you'ed like to know. >> >> LOTCHO DROM my friends >> Vilhem(Bill) Hoeft >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/836 - Release Date: 6/6/2007 > 1:10 PM >

Agreed, Sheila - I just hadn't looked up all the possibilities. In Hoffman's Polish Surnames there are 556 people named Dworski, plus Dwornik and Dorek and Dworecki and others. I suspect transcription error and/or mishearing - the v and w are reversed to their ears. We say Volkswagen, they say Wolksvagen or Folksvagen. I didn't think this name sounded right either. Sounds like an Englishman got mixed up in there somewhere and I don't think that happened. Hoffman says it means: court, manor, yard. Maureen Schoenky ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Karl: You did not give a source for your "Devonske" surname, but somehow it just doesn't seem right to me. Have your considered something in the nature of "Devorske" or "Dworske"? Sheila K.

Karl, I have a Gerhardt Haack that married into my Schneidereit (Wannaglauken, Kreis Niederung, Ostpreussen) Familia. You mentioned "someplace" and I offer "someplace." Regards, Rollo+~~ ============== Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Kasubian names > > Reading all of the info about Kasubian surnames that end in " ske " > > I have been searching for a birth place record of Bertha Albertina > DEVONSKE for several years. > She was born on Feb. 05 1841 ( someplace ) , and married Bernhard > Haack > ( someplace ) > > Their GTA volumes record that They immigrated from Kosalin , Pommern , > Prussia. > > If anyone has seen where that surname of DEVONSKE came from . Please > let Me know. > > Sincerely > Karl Roussin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi,I don,t have a Anna Struebel in My tree, My Strubel,s are from Burstadt,Hesse Darmstadt beginning with My Gr. Grand-Father Peter B;1853 and going back to last known Peter STRUBEL B; 1729-Lampersteim. I have a Village Book on Burstadt-but I don,t have access to it right now but the WASSMANN surname sounds familiar. Art

Mr. Hoeft, can you explain please the DNA factor which you mentioned below? Regards, Rollo+~~ ============== Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Disappearing People > Hi all. I posted this several days ago but I don't think it was put up. > Here is another piece of information about surnames that may be helpful to > some of you, especially if you are working between Prussian and > Kashuby names. > > It is almost a given that if you are Kashuby to any degree or Polish, you > are Slavic. It is one of the truths brotherhoods that we share and > seperates us from the rest of the world.. Being Slavic sets us apart from > other races of the world because for one, we all share a DNA factor. Now, > there was a time when the Slavic people came across the Oder River from > Poland and extended by small groupings only as far west as Northern > Germany, > or so they thought. > > It has now been proven that there existed in a small number, Slavic people > in Sweden. These people were referred to as REM, and they were a warrior > class of people who fought for the king. When Sweden ruled Northern > Germany, or Pomerania, the king sent the Slavic Rem people to Pomerania to > fight and protect his land. These Slavic people stayed on and married > into > the Kashuby and Polish people, and the Rem surnames survived even until > today. > > So in our search of surnames, we will even encounter Swedish names, and > yet > not know how they came to be there. > Just thought you'ed like to know. > > LOTCHO DROM my friends > Vilhem(Bill) Hoeft >