Margaret, I do not know where you are writing from but unless we have the port where he landed in Australia it is impossible to help further. What is important in regard German migration to Australia is that they came into four different state ports and for four different reasons. They also came from four different main locations in Prussia. Albert Grulke in wet Melbourne down under -----Original Message----- From: prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Widjaya Sent: Friday, 8 June 2007 7:31 PM To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Where was/is Central Prussia? Hello I have an ancestor who arrived in Australia aboard the "Daniel Ross" on 27 April 1855 departed Hamburg. The "Daniel Ross" passenger list lists a "Antoni Mella", however all records in Australia refer to him as Antoni Melzer Became A/an Citizen 11 Jan 1872; stated 43yrs old, & born ?Hesobists, Central Prussia. I have been at a 'dead end' now for several years. I can not even seem to be able to find where Central Prussia was/is. I thought if I found the area then I maybe able to work out the town name. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Margaret ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all -- Although I've been monitoring this list for quite some time, it has been a very long time since I've put in a request for help. The help I got on my previous request was wonderful, so I'm hoping that will happen again. My request this time is somewhat different in that I'm actually looking for living individuals! Here's the story: I have researched my grandfather, KARL ROHNKE (b: 17 April 1886 in Gross Garde), extensively and have found everything I can in the U.S.. Unfortunately, he came from the area around Stolp, now Slupsk, Poland, and I have been unable to find any records regarding his family or their history in that area. The Problem: Some members of the family remained in the Stolp area when my grandfather emigrated in 1901. They included the parents, GUSTAV and ADELINE (GNADT) ROHNKE, their son, ALBERT ROHNKE (b: 25 July 1897), and possibly a daughter, MARIE (b: 9 December 1895). My great-uncle (who was "forced" to become a U.S. citizen in WWI-- another story) and his son visited Albert in the early 1950's somewhere in Germany. Unfortunately, neither one of them is available to tell me where they met in Germany. My best guess is that the family was expelled after WWII and headed west to somewhere in West Germany or possibly Berlin. The family story is that all of my male relatives were in the Prussian/German military at some point. ALBERT ROHNKE supposedly served in both WWI and WWII for the Germans. He is said to have had a daughter, but beyond that I have no further knowledge of this family. The family notes of my grandmother's Bible say that ALBERT died on 18 May 1956, but there's no notation as to where he died. This is about the extent of my knowledge on the ROHNKE family that remained in Prussia. My Question: I am hoping to track down the descendants of ALBERT ROHNKE and make a family connection with them. Unfortunately, I have no idea where to start with this venture. I would greatly appreciate any help with this research problem. Thank you in advance for your help with my dilemma. Kristin _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm

Hi List, I am looking for my GG grandparents, Carl Fredrich Bublitz and Louisa Redwans(z). They were located in Malachin, Kr. Konitz, West Prussia. where my Gr Grandpa, August Ludwig Jacob was born 31 May 1849. I understand the when Poland took over the area, all the Germans were expelled. Now I am wondering where my people moved or how I can find church records. I am disabled and don't drive so I can't get out to the family History Center to investigate anything further. I would really appreciate some help with my family. I will pay for any expenses occured. Kind Regards. carol Nikisch carspeedie@comcast.net

Hello Carol Here is a Germany telephone link. http://www.dastelefonbuch.de/ Just enter the name that Your need and see if the names will show up. There is a button to click onto for the English translation. Karl Roussin ======================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: <carspeedie@comcast.net> To: <Prussia-Roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 7:22 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Bublitz/ Redwans (z) > Hi List, > > I am looking for my GG grandparents, Carl Fredrich Bublitz and Louisa Redwans(z). They were located in Malachin, Kr. Konitz, West Prussia. where my Gr Grandpa, August Ludwig Jacob was born 31 May 1849. I understand the when Poland took over the area, all the Germans were expelled. Now I am wondering where my people moved or how I can find church records. > > I am disabled and don't drive so I can't get out to the family History Center to investigate anything further. I would really appreciate some help with my family. I will pay for any expenses occured. > > Kind Regards. > > carol Nikisch > > carspeedie@comcast.net > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ellie If You search for some marriage records in the U.S.A. , then check out the following link , the free New York marriage records are at CD # 239 http://www.loricase.com/CDs/cdlist.html There are ( 7 ) volunteers to e-mail . They want You to use Their FFI ( Family Finders Index ) section , before You e-mail a volunteer for a free lookup. Karl Roussin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth" <ppokorny@new.rr.com> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Johann Nicholas Fuchs > >>>All this is prelude to my questions: > >>> 1. Where does New York store its marriage records for the years > >>>1842-1845? >>>Ellie Depew > > Ellie, > > I received this from one of my correspondents. > > Hope this helps, > Ruth Pokorny > ------------- > In 1841/42, there were only two German Catholic churches in New York City: > St. Nicholas and St. John the Baptist > > St. Nicholas closed back in 1939. The records are now with the nearby > Church of the Most Holy Redeemer: > > Church of the Most Holy Redeemer > 173 East 3rd Street > New York, NY 10009 > > phone: (212) 673-4224 > > > I will mention here that Most Holy Redeemer parish was founded in 1844, and > although St. Nicholas parish had been founded already in 1833, Most Holy > Redeemer became New York's major German Catholic church. Back in the day, > it was often referred to as the "German Cathedral". Today, Most Holy > Redeemer is predominantly Hispanic. > > Because Most Holy Redeemer has its own records and St. Nicholas's records as > well, if you contact Most Holy Redeemer, you have to be sure to tell them > that it's St. Nicholas's records you want them to check. But I guess that's > a moot point in a way, because Most Holy Redeemer itself did not yet exist > in 1841/42. > > > The other German Catholic church that existed already back in 1841/42 was: > > Church of St. John the Baptist > 210 West 31st Street > New York, NY 10001 > > phone: (212) 564-9070 > > > Unfortunately, I don't have e-mail addresses for either church. I would > suggest that you call them on the telephone and ask them for their e-mail > addresses, or simply ask them on the phone how you could arrange for them to > check their old records for you. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I believe you are 50 years too early Alexandra. Germany did not become official until 1871. Your search would most likely be in Prussia or one of the duchies/kingdoms/free states that dotted what we consider to have German territory (before 1945). If Germany was on the immigration information, check the date to make it either official or not. Regards, Rollo+~~ =============== Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Ann Land, 1821, Pickliessem, Germany > Hello > > I am looking for the family of Ann Veronica Land born about 1821 in > Pickliessem, Kreis Bittburg, Germany. > related names are > Willems and Zender. > Does anyone have these surnames in their database? > > > > Thank you, > > Alexandra in Missouri >

>>>All this is prelude to my questions: >>> 1. Where does New York store its marriage records for the years >>>1842-1845? >>>Ellie Depew Ellie, I received this from one of my correspondents. Hope this helps, Ruth Pokorny ------------- In 1841/42, there were only two German Catholic churches in New York City: St. Nicholas and St. John the Baptist St. Nicholas closed back in 1939. The records are now with the nearby Church of the Most Holy Redeemer: Church of the Most Holy Redeemer 173 East 3rd Street New York, NY 10009 phone: (212) 673-4224 I will mention here that Most Holy Redeemer parish was founded in 1844, and although St. Nicholas parish had been founded already in 1833, Most Holy Redeemer became New York's major German Catholic church. Back in the day, it was often referred to as the "German Cathedral". Today, Most Holy Redeemer is predominantly Hispanic. Because Most Holy Redeemer has its own records and St. Nicholas's records as well, if you contact Most Holy Redeemer, you have to be sure to tell them that it's St. Nicholas's records you want them to check. But I guess that's a moot point in a way, because Most Holy Redeemer itself did not yet exist in 1841/42. The other German Catholic church that existed already back in 1841/42 was: Church of St. John the Baptist 210 West 31st Street New York, NY 10001 phone: (212) 564-9070 Unfortunately, I don't have e-mail addresses for either church. I would suggest that you call them on the telephone and ask them for their e-mail addresses, or simply ask them on the phone how you could arrange for them to check their old records for you.

>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Bitburg (English - "Bit Castle") is a city in Germany, capital of the district Bitburg-Prüm, in the state of Rhineland-Palatinate. It is situated approx. 25 km (16 mi.) north-west of Trier, and 50 km (31 mi.) north-east of Luxembourg (city). Two American airbases, Bitburg Air Base and Spangdahlem Air Base, are located nearby. The city's name derives from its Celtic toponym, Beda. Bit Castle was created approximately 2000 years ago as a stopover for traffic from Lyon, through Metz and Trier to Cologne. The first mentioned name was "Vicus Beda". Emperor Konstantine expanded the settlement to a road castle around 330, the central part of which forms the town centre to the present day. Bit Castle is first documented only after the end of the Roman Empire around 715 as "castrum bedense". Bitburg subsequently became part of Franconia. In 1262, the castle gained municipal rights. In the middle of the tenth century the city came under the county of Luxembourg (later duchy), and in 1443 to the county of Burgundy. After 1506 the place belonged first to the Spanish Netherlands, and from 1714 to the Austrian Netherlands. In 1794 the city came under French administration, and in 1798 principal place of a canton of the forest section (Département of the Forêts). This led to a short lived economic upturn, and Bit Castle received among other things a court and a land registry. In 1815 by the resolution of the Congress of Vienna, Bit Castle transferred to the Kingdom of Prussia, where it belonged administratively as district town until 1822 to the province Niederrhein, then to the Rhine province. Original Message ----- From: "R. Lipprandt" <rloss@bellsouth.net> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 5:17 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] 1821 - Germany >I believe you are 50 years too early Alexandra. Germany did not become > official until 1871. Your search would most likely be in Prussia or one of > the duchies/kingdoms/free states that dotted what we consider to have > German > territory (before 1945). > > If Germany was on the immigration information, check the date to make it > either official or not. > > Regards, Rollo+~~ > =============== > > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Ann Land, 1821, Pickliessem, Germany > > >> Hello >> >> I am looking for the family of Ann Veronica Land born about 1821 in >> Pickliessem, Kreis Bittburg, Germany. >> related names are >> Willems and Zender. >> Does anyone have these surnames in their database? >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Alexandra in Missouri >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The following was posted on this website: In the LDS locality index, I find references for church records, and underneath where I usually find whether they are Katholiche or Evangelische, instead it will say, for instance, "Preussen Armee, Dragoner Regiment 06" and list birth, marriage and death records. I sent this on to a relative who was born in Lithuania and came to America in 1955. She can speak and read German and has an excellent knowledge of the area. This is her response: What you want to know is "Prussian Army" and the other one is the name of a Regiment in that Army. I ran across a lot of that in the Goldup records. I am going to ask her if she has any other information pertaining to this. Sandie

I hope all will forgive me if I do this incorrectly. This is my first time posting a message to this group even though I've been lurking for several years. The discussion of Slavic origins of families who consider themselves of German origin has peaked my interest. I do not know if that is the case with my own ancestors or not, but this discussion has me wondering, and I would appreciate any insight members might have. My GGG grandfather, Carl Gauerke, arrived in Chicago and quickly settled in the area of Green Bay, Wisconsin, in 1851. My grandmother, Hilda Gauerke Eiler, of Green Bay, was born in 1898. She spoke German exclusively until she began school and continued to use common German expressions until her death in 1980. She was always particularly proud that her family spoke high German. I always pictured her side of the family as coming from an area like Bavaria, squarely in Germany. Imagine my surprise when I learned a while back that it hails from Kreis Grei! fenberg, Stettin, a region which is now part of Poland. Around the same time, based on differing pronunciations of the surname among distant family members, I decided that the original spelling of the surname was most likely Gorke (umlaut over the "o"). Between the "ke" ending of the name and the pride in speaking high German, I am beginning to suspect Slavic origins for this branch of my family. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Jody Wright Jody Wright jdwright@ix.netcom.com EarthLink Revolves Around You.

Ginger Check out http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp or http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ or http://www.surnamenavigator.org/ Just fill out the blanks , and click " search " , or " go " If the records are not entered , then You may have to order some films , of that town, of that time , from the FHC library. Also when You write to the list all of the capital letters that You need to write is the begining of the sentence , and the names of Your ancestors , and towns Karl Roussin ==================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gpontlitz@aol.com> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 11:53 AM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] CHYEZEWSKY OR CHYEZEWSKI , KOLN, PRUSSIA > HELLO, MY FIRST POST HERE, AND AT REAL LOSS ON DOING MY FAMILY NAME FROM > GERMANY. I HAVE THE DIFFERENT SPELLINGS Y VERSES I, SOME HAVE MENTIONED VON IN > FRONT OF NAME, I HAVE BEEN TOLD POLISH, GERMAN, JEWISH, ETC. SO I'M UP FOR > SOME REAL FACTS ON MY FAMILY NAME. THIS IS SOME NAMES I HAVE RECORDS ON, > JACOB CYCZEWSKI BORN AT PNIEWITTEN/MARIENWERDER WESTPREUSSEN, PRUSSIA. MARRIED > ANNA MARIANNA JANOWSKA BORN IN 1788. AT KATHOLISCHE KIRCHE, GRANDENZ, > WESTPREUSSEN, PRUSSIA. HAD SON JOHANN CHYEZEWSKI BORN 1839 PRUEWITTEN/MARIENWERDER > WESTPREUSSEN, PRUSSIA.HE MARRIED WILHELMINE GOTTLIEBIN WAHL WHO WAS BORN 1830 , > NEULAUTERN WUERTT, NECKARTKRIS. SHE WOULD BE MY GREAT GREAT GRANDMOTHER. HER > SON FREDERIC MONROE BORN 1876 IN KOLN, RHIENLAND, PRUSSIA. MY GRANDFATHER > CAME TO USA IN 1892. ALSO ALL HIS BROTHERS AND SISTERS DID TOO. LEAVING OUT OF > BELGUIM, TO ELLIS ISLAND. > > WHAT PLACES DO YOU SUGGEST I LOOK FOR THEIR BIRTHS AND MARRIAGE RECORDS, > ETC. AND ANY HISTORY ON THE FAMILY LEFT IN GERMANY.. ALL HELP APPRECIATED.. > THANK YOU GINGER > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello I am looking for the family of Ann Veronica Land born about 1821 in Pickliessem, Kreis Bittburg, Germany. related names are Willems and Zender. Does anyone have these surnames in their database? Thank you, Alexandra in Missouri ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/

I have a problem with a similar-sounding name that I'm unable to trace farther than mid-19th century: given as von Tischkau (my Grandmother's memory), von Titzka (her father's Bible), possibly as von Tyszka. Kreis Angerburg, Regierungsbizirk Gumbinnen. Probably from east of Angerburg, as my ggfr listed his home as Sapallen, a micro-village almost half-way to Goldap. Angerburg is Wegorzewo, PO and Sapallen is Sapaluvka. Can anyone help me find this family? (My ggggmr m. Christian Skirlo ca. 1830?) Thanks! This list is a great place! Bob Copeland rmc@geneva.edu

HELLO, MY FIRST POST HERE, AND AT REAL LOSS ON DOING MY FAMILY NAME FROM GERMANY. I HAVE THE DIFFERENT SPELLINGS Y VERSES I, SOME HAVE MENTIONED VON IN FRONT OF NAME, I HAVE BEEN TOLD POLISH, GERMAN, JEWISH, ETC. SO I'M UP FOR SOME REAL FACTS ON MY FAMILY NAME. THIS IS SOME NAMES I HAVE RECORDS ON, JACOB CYCZEWSKI BORN AT PNIEWITTEN/MARIENWERDER WESTPREUSSEN, PRUSSIA. MARRIED ANNA MARIANNA JANOWSKA BORN IN 1788. AT KATHOLISCHE KIRCHE, GRANDENZ, WESTPREUSSEN, PRUSSIA. HAD SON JOHANN CHYEZEWSKI BORN 1839 PRUEWITTEN/MARIENWERDER WESTPREUSSEN, PRUSSIA.HE MARRIED WILHELMINE GOTTLIEBIN WAHL WHO WAS BORN 1830 , NEULAUTERN WUERTT, NECKARTKRIS. SHE WOULD BE MY GREAT GREAT GRANDMOTHER. HER SON FREDERIC MONROE BORN 1876 IN KOLN, RHIENLAND, PRUSSIA. MY GRANDFATHER CAME TO USA IN 1892. ALSO ALL HIS BROTHERS AND SISTERS DID TOO. LEAVING OUT OF BELGUIM, TO ELLIS ISLAND. WHAT PLACES DO YOU SUGGEST I LOOK FOR THEIR BIRTHS AND MARRIAGE RECORDS, ETC. AND ANY HISTORY ON THE FAMILY LEFT IN GERMANY.. ALL HELP APPRECIATED.. THANK YOU GINGER ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

First of all, are you sure the town isn't "Kiel" which is in Schleswig-Holstein? As to the Germany/Prussia question, to make a long story short, "Germany" was created in 1871, a confederation of the many Germanic kingdoms, principalities, dukedoms, etc. This would have included Prussia. Sheila K.

You can get microfilms of church records of both Marienberg and Graudenz, West Prussia through LDS libraries. jdbentz@prodigy.net

Sandie wrote: >I did not locate a marriage record for Johann and Catherine in Wisconsin >between 1850 and 18650 in Milwaukee Co. >There is a death certificate for a Catherine Fuchs in Milwaukee Co. WI. She >died 10 April 1889, Reel 068, Volume 10, Page 0184. Index Vol: 03 and >Sequence No. 115183. I cannot state that this is your Catherine. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ellie Depew" <SraEllie@carolina.rr.com> >To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:38 PM >Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Johann Nicholas Fuchs > > > > >>Johann Nicholas Fuchs, son of Frederick Adam Fuchs, was born Aug. 28, >>1821, and emigrated to New York via the ship /Florida /in June 1842. In >>1850, he was living in Milwaukee--the census records him as John--with >>his wife Margaret (born 1826) and three children, born 1845-1849 in New >>York. By 1860, he had married Catherine Koch (born Dec 27 1838). Their >>oldest child was born Sep. 17, 1862. >> >>Johann's naturalization papers record him as renouncing allegiance to >>King Ludwig of Prussia. The only Frederick Adam Fuchs I have been able >>to find was born in Eckweiler, Prussia, in 1780. Wisconsin records and >>church records yielded only his father's name. The LDS church records >>for that site stop at 1800, so I have been unable to verify that this is >>our family. Still, the naming patterns fit. >> >>All this is prelude to my questions: >> 1. Where does New York store its marriage records for the years >>1842-1845? >> 2. If the city of Milwaukee shows no marriage records for John & >>Catherine, is there a state repository for Wisconsin >>marriages during the 1850's? (I realize that it is possible that they >>married in Northern Illinois or Indiana.) >> 3. How does one find a reliable genealogist in Germany to verify >>the church records I have found through FamilySearch? Or >>is there another source I may have missed? >> >>I am aware that, if I can find the marriage records I need, they may >>well yield the information I seek, and I am hoping that such is the >>case. However, I have been stonewalled so often with Johann that I'm >>asking the Prussia question as well. >> >>Ellie Depew >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > This is my Catherine. Johann (John) died Feb. 14, 1892, also in Milwaukee. They owned a tobacco shop on Water Street. Thank you for checking. Ellie

Bill, I have been following the Kasubian / DNA thread with great interest - nothing too long or boring at all! Is your radio station also webcasting? If so, I would like to have the web address so I can listen online. Roger Miller > [Original Message] > From: jetski <jetski@grics.net> > To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Date: 6/8/2007 7:27:17 PM > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Just in case > > If any of the members of this list live in the Southern Wisconsin, north > Western Illinois, or North Eastern Iowa, you might be able to listen to my > radio program about history. I am on every Saturday morning, 8: 8:30 on > 100.3 FM > Maybe one day soon I can do a program about our Prussian/Polish roots. eh, > by golly > Bill Hoeft > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On the DNA subject. How do you tell from results your slavic. My hubby's mtDNA came in today and all I can figure out from it is that he left Africa 60,000 yrs ago and 20,000 yrs ago was in NW or north central Europe. Is there more to the test? His "Y" hasn't come in yet, but this doesn't seem like much info. How do you get to the Slavic part. He had 3 mutations. Is there some chart from there that matches these mutations. I'm lost how this helps in genealogy. Any discussion on subject would be appreciated. Michaele -------------- Original message -------------- From: WhitmerJ@aol.com > For what it's worth... > > The Prussians were not Germanic nor Slavic, and, like the Kashubians, they > resisted the intruding Germans. Rather, the Pruzzen (Prusai) were a Baltic > Tribe -- related to the Latvians and Lithuanians. When the Poles began to > invade > the area of the Pruzzen tribe around 992, the tribes fought back. Considered > a "heathen race," the German Teutonic Knights were sent in to the area in > 1226 to conquer/convert the Pruzzen or eject them from the land. > > The indigenous Baltic Pruzzen tribe occupied the area of what became East > Prussia. From time to time they fought the Poles and Teutonic Knights but > managed to stand their ground. It's interesting that the Pruzzen tribe united > with > the Kashubian tribe to fight the Knights. For a time they both regained and > kept their land, but the Knights were bringing in German settlers from the > west. By the early 1300s, many new villages were established and all were under > German Law. > > The Kaszubi and Pruzzen tribes resisted Germanization, but the Kaszubians > retained their identity and the Pruzzen did not. In time, some Pruzzen's fled > to > the east or south. Those who stayed and were not annihilated began to merge > with the German settlers brought in by the Knights. > > By 1600, the old Baltic Pruzzen language became extinct. Prussian surnames > differ greatly from the German surnames of other more German ethnic areas. > Some Prussian names are Slavic in their derivation. Place or field names of > Baltic Pruzzen origin have been found father west in the medieval Duchy of East > Pomerania, etc., the heart of which became Kashubia, so it is believed the > Pruzzen moved around a bit. > > > Karen B. Whitmer > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just a clarification: Yul Brynner was not a "Gypsy" (i.e. Roma or Sinti) although he recorded an album of Gypsy songs. His mother was Russian. His father was Swiss and 1/16 Mongolian. Thus, Yul was usually referred to as "Tartar". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars Charles Bronson's father was a "Lipka Tartar" and his mother a Lithuanian-American. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bronson As for The Three Stooges: Brothers Moe, Curly, and Shemp Howard (Hurwitz)were born in Brooklyn, New York. Their parents were Jews immigrants from Lithuania. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moe_Howard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curly_Howard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shemp_Howard Larry Fine (Feinberg)was Jewish but, born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, not Lithuania. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Fine_%28actor%29 "----- Original Message ----- From: "jetski" <jetski@grics.net> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Slavic DNA > Your problem is not as unique as you might think especially when people have > had to come to grips with being slavic or not. In many circles throughout > the world, being slavic equates to being a second class person, which of > course is wrong. This idea is offensive to all Polish people and to > Russians and to those who are part of eastern Europe. > > Germans had a real problems with Slavic people, as did the Prussians, they > too being Germanic, heneforth your relatives claimed Prussian or German to > give them a higher standing in the world. This issue is something akin to > white verses black. > Lithuania people are for the most part slavic as well, and they also have a > large Jewish contingent. > > The Three Stooges were Lituania Jews. Charles Bronson was Slavic. Thrown > in the mix of all this are the gypies. Ule Brenner was gypy or as their > race is properly known as ROM. > > When people migrated they saw a chance to change their lives for what they > felt would be for the betterment of themselves and their offspring. This is > another reason why so many of (the old ones) remained silent. They chose to > remain silent to change the past. > > > as for those German speaking people, I am not sure, other than the Tutonic > Knights brought Christianity to the Germanic tribes and the Tutonic Knights > were Germans who worked for the Catholic Church. > > I hope I haven't run on to the point of boring anyone, but I have always > found this subject of great interest, especially since my people come from > that area. It becomes very personal. > > Bill Hoeft > >" No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: 6/7/2007 2:21 PM