Hello, Prussian fans ~ Alternatively, just a few years ago there used to be several sites that offered "back-translations". I would type a phase in English (straight forward, simple sentence construction, no contractions, check my spelling) and get the German translation of my phrase AND the translation of the German phrase back into English. These sites made tweaking my message very easy to do. Since I can no longer find such a site today, you can always back-translate manually to get an insight into what your message is telling someone. If anyone knows of any existing back-translating sites, please let me know. Meanwhile, this site is packed with language information: http://www.omniglot.com/ and free translation sites are listed for various purposes: http://www.omniglot.com/links/translation.htm . Julia "----Original Message Follows---- From: michael <mdearing@mhtc.net> Never say NEVER. One should not blindly use the sites. To see how good/bad they are, cut/paste some German you have received into them and read the English that results. Now, to use them wisely, create very simple English sentences, simple in structure and in tense. Diagram it. If you have more than one long horizontal line, break it up. Submit this to the online translator. Then take the translation, your book of German grammar, your book of German verbs, and your big German dictionary, and make sure of what you will be sending. Be familiar with German genealogical vocabulary. You will have to be anyway if you are doing family history research that involves German heritage, whether in Germany or the USA. Your result will be acceptable. Contrary to popular opinion, it does not have to be perfect. The English you get from Germany seldom is and it works. Ok, German is a high context language and English a low context one. That just means use more simple sentences rather than less. - Michael " _________________________________________________________________ Picture this – share your photos and you could win big! http://www.GETREALPhotoContest.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us

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The above subject was a news release that appears to have shown up as spam to some list members. To quote the Monday, June 18, 2007 issue of THE OREGONIAN, page 2 under the heading; Washington, "DNA lab joins Web site on family histories". The article goes on to state that ".......a new partnership between the Internet's largest family history Web site, Ancestry.com and Sorenson Genomics, a privately held DNA research firm". It is interesting to note however, that the Sorenson (previously BYU) test in the past was free, but the article opens with "For less than $200 and a cheek-swiped cotton swab, amateur historians will be able to add DNA results to family tree Web pages". Information at another Web site pointed out that if you had previously submitted your DNA to Sorenson and you did not wish to have it included you would have to write (?) requesting it not be included in the partnering relationship. Donald Wood Portland, Oregon Researching; Wolf, Kienow and Steffen in Kreis Regenwalde and Naugard

Thank you so much Julie. It's so hard to keep ahead of spam. Carol Julia Everett wrote: >Moderator: > >This message has appreared in sveral of the Roots-web lists that I bolong >to. It's spam. > Relative Genetics is pleased to announce an exciting new >partnership with Ancestry.com, by way of our parent company, Sorenson >Genomics. This new partnership will combine Ancestry.com's >

Don, The town is probably Chwala Boga, located just west of Bromberg on my 1820 map. Karen B. Whitmer ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Yesterday I located the Baptismal record for my husband's ggrandfather, Gottlieb Krueger. The record is from Bromberg. The town is spelt Ch--alaboga. I know it is a C as the first letter is very similar to the first letter of all the Caroline and etc. I even went through 4 more years hoping to find the word again, no luk. Please help. Dori

My goodness! I had forgotten all about that! My dad, my uncle, etc. used to call me that, playfully. It sort of got changed to Snigelfritz over the years by the time my children came along. That reminded me about the dog my dad, my uncle and their sister had, called Smurtzie. My aunt still laughs about Smurtzie being the most popular lady in town, and having so many children. She would say that to strangers, and their eyes would open wide at hearing the "risque" story! Later she would tell them that Smurtzie was a dog! Wonder where those names came from, too. My family had the names of Conitz and Meier. My great-grandparents spoke German and claimed to be German, and it was not until recent years when I started asking questions that I learned that where they were from was actually Prussia. Cecelia in Texas > Hi, > > The other day a term from my childhood came to mind, the term "schnickel > fritz". It was a term of endearment really, sometimes used for a rascal. > Little kids and dogs were sometimes called that, I guess it's why it came > to > mind. We have a puppy with a different name, but it just came to me to say > "come here you little schnickel fritz" to play with him. > > I was wondering if anyone else has heard it used or had a different > meaning > for it. > > > > Another kind of funny twist with it was that I saw it used online for the > name of a flower or something, and the person selling the flowers had the > last name Kirchhoff, which was my grandmother's maiden name. > > > > Thanks, > > susan > > >

Hi I'm looking for the ancestors and birth of Fredrick Heinrich Ludwig Scheibe, date of birth 30.10.1860. He came to England and settled in Sheffield marrying Lilian Barnes in 1886. He had three children, Robert, Otto (my grandfather) and Ralph Ludwig. I believe that Fredrick (Friedrich?) came from Memel and came to Britain following land disputes. I know that his father was called Ludwig, born in 1827 in East Prussia. I'd be grateful for any information on Scheibes in this part of Prussia. Elizabeth Strange

Not to rain on anyone's parade, but I caution my fellow genealogists on using DNA testing. You should be aware what kind of eggs you may be cracking here. I've seen studies like the one in this article (though I can't find them at the moment) that suggest the father on the birth certificate, the one everyone thought was the father, will not always be the father. DNA is only as fool proof as we are. I've even heard numbers on more recent studies that suggest the rate of nonfatherhood is higher - more like 10-15% rather than the 4% suggested in the article below. ********************************** http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4137506.stm One in 25 fathers 'not the daddy' Up to one in 25 dads could unknowingly be raising another man's child, UK health researchers estimate. Increasing use of genetic testing for medical and legal reasons means more couples are discovering the biological proof of who fathered the child. The Liverpool John Moores University team reached its estimate based on research findings published between 1950 and 2004. The study appears in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health. <snip> ********************************** Whether it's as close as your father or as distant as your 4th great grandfather, what will you do with the information that comes back if it says you don't "belong"? How certain will you be that it means anything to your family history. Without further testing, you can't know what generation your family diverged from the tree. Will you care? I've found a family association that has been working to find volunteers for y-chromasome DNA. Based on the results of one test, they have decided my ancestor isn't descended from the family it's always thought he was descended from instead of questioning the background of the testee. What that means is that until more testing is done, the whole tree is up in the air. I only say this to warn you to be careful what you wish for when it comes to DNA testing. For many it's most likely to give you more questions than answers. At worst, you may find out much more than you ever wanted to know. Melanie Franklin > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:28:00 -0500 > From: "Allen James Krueger" <akrueger@frontiernet.net> > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Ancestry.com Partners with Sorenson Genomics > To: <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <023001c7b1ce$085eac30$8ff03243@homevhzf9m7igl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: The Relative Genetics Team > To: akrueger@frontiernet.net > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 8:04 AM > Subject: Ancestry.com Partners with Sorenson Genomics > > > > http://www.relativegenetics.com/relativegenetics/news.htm#acrg about ancestry.com and relative genetics/Sorenson Genomics > Dear Relative Genetics Valued Customer, > > > Relative Genetics is pleased to announce an exciting new partnership with Ancestry.com, by way of our parent company, Sorenson Genomics. This new partnership will combine Ancestry.com's unrivaled collection of online family trees and historical documents with Sorenson Genomics' precision ancestral DNA testing. > > > The powerful combination of these three major pillars of family history research - historical records, DNA and family trees - will revolutionize family history and add meaningful tools to assist you in your family history research. Ancestry.com currently has more than 14 million users and the world's largest collection of online family trees. In the coming months, Ancestry.com will release technology that captures DNA test results and integrates them with the historical documents already in their online family trees. This integration paired with the ability to collaborate with the Ancestry.com community gives you the ability to add branches to your family tree in one vast, ever-expanding online location. > > DNA testing and select genetic genealogy services formerly provided by Relative Genetics will soon be offered exclusively through Ancestry.com. At that time, your Relative Genetics information will migrate to Ancestry.com. Before this happens, you will receive an e-mail with more details regarding this transition. > > We are excited about the unprecedented possibilities this combination of historical records, DNA and family trees will provide for your family history research. For more information about > the benefits of this exclusive partnership and to view our FAQs, please visit Relative Genetics News.Should you have any further questions, please e-mail Relative Genetics at info@relativegenetics.com or contact a member of the Relative Genetics customer support team at 1-800-956-9362. > > If you would like to completely exclude your DNA test results, contact information and surname project data from transferring to Ancestry.com, please contact Relative Genetics prior to July 15, 2007, by clicking on the link below: > > > Relative Genetics Login > > Oh behalf of Relative Genetics, it has been our sincere pleasure to work with you, and we thank you for your support. > > Best regards, > > > The Relative Genetics Team > > > > > To request your Relative Genetics' user name and/or password, e-mail info@relativegenetics.com or contact a member of the Relative Genetics' customer support team at 1-800-956-9362. > > > > >

Never say NEVER. One should not blindly use the sites. To see how good/bad they are, cut/paste some German you have received into them and read the English that results. Now, to use them wisely, create very simple English sentences, simple in structure and in tense. Diagram it. If you have more than one long horizontal line, break it up. Submit this to the online translator. Then take the translation, your book of German grammar, your book of German verbs, and your big German dictionary, and make sure of what you will be sending. Be familiar with German genealogical vocabulary. You will have to be anyway if you are doing family history research that involves German heritage, whether in Germany or the USA. Your result will be acceptable. Contrary to popular opinion, it does not have to be perfect. The English you get from Germany seldom is and it works. Ok, German is a high context language and English a low context one. That just means use more simple sentences rather than less. - Michael On Jun 17, 2007, at 2:01 AM, prussia-roots-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > I'm sorry to say that this is totally in error and genealogists who > do not > speak German or Polish should NEVER use these mechanical > translations to > write correspondence to people in those countries. NEVER! NEVER, > EVER!

Thank you so much, I am new to these lists Arden > > Familienkundliche Nachrichten (query publication) > > www.degener-verlag.com > > description and use is in Prussia-roots archives - June 2007 > > Maureen Schoenky > > > ************************************** > See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have noted that too but your "subject" heading has got convoluted Ron Irvine Spaghettitree@aol.com wrote: Julia, you're most welcome! In order to get a reply to any queries you publish in FANA you don't have to do anything beyond including your name, address, and e-mail with your query, and the responses will come directly to you. Isn't a specific response what you're looking for? The responses will come from individuals who see your query in the publication, not from FANA itself, who is the publisher. I would keep your query brief, along the lines of: parents of x and x, married x, at x, (include all spellings you have) If there is some portion you're not positive about, just insert a (?) or christening of x, Catholic, x date in x place; a carpenter, given names It doesn't work to ask for "everything you have on the Schmidtenhausen family somewhere in Baden". You may find the mother lode, you may find one specific answer - either way, it's worth it to give it a shot, I think. And your query will be archived and available from publication on into the future. Your story of the evolution of Ewart - Evert - Everett is most interesting - and so true. It does pay to record all the spellings and varieties as they stand - we cannot "correct" them, and besides, I think it's much more interesting that way. There is still a stigma against people with Germanic names even today - I can tell you stories you would not believe. Also, recently met a lady who was done in by a census taker way back - surname Isinoggle - holy cow - that is supposed to be Eisenagel (iron nail)! Back to queries - if you do receive a response, be absolutely certain to send a thank-you of some kind. And if you receive mail from Europe, please do reimburse them for the copies and postage, which is very expensive there. (They cannot use US postage.) Do not send a personal check, however; the transfer fees eat up more than the amount of the check. There are lots of courtesies and protocols to be followed, which are amply described by Mr. Jensen and Dr. Watson, whose websites I cited. Bear in mind also, churches everywhere have been bombarded with a gazillion American genealogy requests - but their business is that of the church, not genealogy, so tread lightly and donate generously. There are companies here which will provide you with Euros (International Currency Express is one). And then you wait - sometimes this takes weeks, months, even years. Asking where the heck your ancestors' papers are after 6 months does not help your cause, especially with a church. On the other hand, you may receive a wonderful response from your FANA query within two weeks of the publication date, as I did, from a gentleman in Germany with a huge database. And that was before I was on line. Maureen Schoenky ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.

the content of your email does not match the "subject" heading it means I am reading mail which ,is interesting but does not refer directly to the subject Ron Irvine Spaghettitree@aol.com wrote: Hi Julia - I cannot tell what Meier-Ewert means without any of the context - perhaps it is a marriage connection, or a change of name or perhaps, if around Ösnabrueck, a farm-name-family-name connection. Meier and Ewert are both German and can be of various spellings. Ewert is aligned with Evert, Evers. In Bahlow's book, Evers (Low German) 'son of Evert, in other words Everhart, also Ewers, Ewert, Lower Rhine Evertz. Enlarged forms are Evermann, Ewermann, patronymic Everling, Everding (Westphalia), short form Everke (Hanover 1348). The name Ewert in German, of course, is pronounced Evert. Not the last word, certainly, only a naming dictionary, just clues. As to Siess, that is perhaps from Siese, specifically the Siese Hill near Driburg, the Siseke in Westphalia, Sisbeck, Sissele in Flanders. sis (ses) means swamp, reed. There is also Seis, Seiser (Bavaria) from a place name, Seis in South Tyrol. And the language of Spanish is never wasted - I learned it too, because German was verbonten then. Also learned French and some Latin from many years in music and the law - it all helps. Maureen Schoenky ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today.

Familienkundliche Nachrichten (query publication) www.degener-verlag.com description and use is in Prussia-roots archives - June 2007 Maureen Schoenky ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

You are correct, Ron, my apologies - I responded to a query for another name without either of us changing the subject line - I shall be more careful. Nota bene! I am now seeing inquiries about FANA under the Weickhmann surname subject line, as I responded to that subject, Joachim Heinrich Weickhmann, on 14 June 2007, which is in the archives now and readily available. Maureen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

How do we go about doing this...... Arden

----- Original Message ----- From: The Relative Genetics Team To: akrueger@frontiernet.net Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 8:04 AM Subject: Ancestry.com Partners with Sorenson Genomics http://www.relativegenetics.com/relativegenetics/news.htm#acrg about ancestry.com and relative genetics/Sorenson Genomics Dear Relative Genetics Valued Customer, Relative Genetics is pleased to announce an exciting new partnership with Ancestry.com, by way of our parent company, Sorenson Genomics. This new partnership will combine Ancestry.com's unrivaled collection of online family trees and historical documents with Sorenson Genomics' precision ancestral DNA testing. The powerful combination of these three major pillars of family history research - historical records, DNA and family trees - will revolutionize family history and add meaningful tools to assist you in your family history research. Ancestry.com currently has more than 14 million users and the world's largest collection of online family trees. In the coming months, Ancestry.com will release technology that captures DNA test results and integrates them with the historical documents already in their online family trees. This integration paired with the ability to collaborate with the Ancestry.com community gives you the ability to add branches to your family tree in one vast, ever-expanding online location. DNA testing and select genetic genealogy services formerly provided by Relative Genetics will soon be offered exclusively through Ancestry.com. At that time, your Relative Genetics information will migrate to Ancestry.com. Before this happens, you will receive an e-mail with more details regarding this transition. We are excited about the unprecedented possibilities this combination of historical records, DNA and family trees will provide for your family history research. For more information about the benefits of this exclusive partnership and to view our FAQs, please visit Relative Genetics News.Should you have any further questions, please e-mail Relative Genetics at info@relativegenetics.com or contact a member of the Relative Genetics customer support team at 1-800-956-9362. If you would like to completely exclude your DNA test results, contact information and surname project data from transferring to Ancestry.com, please contact Relative Genetics prior to July 15, 2007, by clicking on the link below: Relative Genetics Login Oh behalf of Relative Genetics, it has been our sincere pleasure to work with you, and we thank you for your support. Best regards, The Relative Genetics Team To request your Relative Genetics' user name and/or password, e-mail info@relativegenetics.com or contact a member of the Relative Genetics' customer support team at 1-800-956-9362.

I agree with Maureen and LGO as well. The internet genealogist can learn a lot by studying what he has to say. It will save time and effort..... Karen B. Whitmer ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

This appeared in the current E-zine of "Nu? What's New?" and is very informative. Click on or cut and paste this website which has diseases and causes in English, German, French, and 19 other languages. Also in the original Latin. _www.antiquusmorbus.com_ (http://www.antiquusmorbus.com) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.