Since I started this discussion, I must tell you that the librarians at the FHL are aware that people, myself included, are copying pages to cd's and flash drives. In fact, photo copying a page at the FHL is fine with everyone also. I know they charge for the paper and ink/toner, but they do not charge for the pages. If you are copying a whole microfilm, that is a different story and should probably be in violation of copyright laws. You are allowed to copy some pages from books at a library as long as you are not selling the copies or copying the whole book. My local library has a similar setup to what is available at the FHL and they allow some copying for family research purposes. No copying is allowed for the purpose of selling what you are copying. Whether you copy something to a cd or flash drive where there is not extra cost or you are paying for a paper copy, I see no difference as long as you are not copying a whole book or microfilm and not selling what you have copied. I have visited a lot of libraries in at least 9 of the United States that allow you to make copies of a few pages for a nominal fee to cover the costs of copying. You are just not allowed to copy a whole book or film. As to whether there is a copyright, on the old records there is probably not a valid copyright, but, on the microfilm of the record, the LDS may very well have a copyright issue. But, the LDS is doing this microfilming so that records are not lost and I have been told that they are not concerned about minimal copying. As to online, I am sure that there will be a disclaimer regarding what is copyrighted or not. What about all the records on Ancestry.com? They may hold a copyright but they also allow you to print pages of the census. Bobbie > I'm interested in this copyright business as it pertains to the films loaned from the FHL to the > FHC.? Does the FHL actually hold a copyright to a film of old records?? It seems to me that > because they are old records, there would be no copyright.? Is that true or not?? And, if the > Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is putting everything online, would there still be a > consideration about copyrights?? If someone is copying and transcribing the records on a film > which will be made available in its entirety soon, isn't that what the FHC would like? > > Just wondering.... > > Nancy M. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Armstrong <[email protected]> > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 9:03 pm > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] film reels and the info > > > > Basically, Copyright Law allows you to copy about 10% as "fair usage", when it's > being used to support your research, or to review something. Copying anything > in its entirety that is still subject to copyright is definitely out. > > Copyright Law varies from country to country, although there has been efforts to > harmonise it internationally. The Law that applies is the Law of the country > where the Copyright is held, not where you happen to be when you do your > copying. > > Finally, if you breach copyright, your are stealing another person's income. In > family history research terms, this can have a severe impact on the viability of > projects to make archival records more readily available for us to use in our > research. You can kill the goose that lays the golden egg! > > One Family History Society in England that undertaken a great of transcription > and publishing of old records in booklets and on microfiche, and relied on the > income generated from the sales, reported a massive 30% to 40% drop in their > revenue as a result of copyright breaches with the advent of the internet and > mailing lists. > > David Armstrong > Maylands, > Western Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bobbie > To: [email protected] ; [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:42 AM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] film reels and the info > > > I just joined this group so I may have missed what led to this post. My local > Family History Library and my County > Library both have computers attached to a microfilm machine. You may save > pages to a cd, flash drive, etc. I am > assuming that it would not be proper (legal?) to copy the whole film, but if > you only copy pages that have your > ancestors on them, it should be okay in my opinion. There is no charge for > doing this. > > I do not know where you are as far as what films you are viewing, but I hope > this helps you in some way. > > Bobbie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > sweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm interested in this copyright business as it pertains to the films loaned from the FHL to the FHC.? Does the FHL actually hold a copyright to a film of old records?? It seems to me that because they are old records, there would be no copyright.? Is that true or not?? And, if the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is putting everything online, would there still be a consideration about copyrights?? If someone is copying and transcribing the records on a film which will be made available in its entirety soon, isn't that what the FHC would like? Just wondering.... Nancy M. -----Original Message----- From: David Armstrong <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 9:03 pm Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] film reels and the info Basically, Copyright Law allows you to copy about 10% as "fair usage", when it's being used to support your research, or to review something. Copying anything in its entirety that is still subject to copyright is definitely out. Copyright Law varies from country to country, although there has been efforts to harmonise it internationally. The Law that applies is the Law of the country where the Copyright is held, not where you happen to be when you do your copying. Finally, if you breach copyright, your are stealing another person's income. In family history research terms, this can have a severe impact on the viability of projects to make archival records more readily available for us to use in our research. You can kill the goose that lays the golden egg! One Family History Society in England that undertaken a great of transcription and publishing of old records in booklets and on microfiche, and relied on the income generated from the sales, reported a massive 30% to 40% drop in their revenue as a result of copyright breaches with the advent of the internet and mailing lists. David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Bobbie To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] film reels and the info I just joined this group so I may have missed what led to this post. My local Family History Library and my County Library both have computers attached to a microfilm machine. You may save pages to a cd, flash drive, etc. I am assuming that it would not be proper (legal?) to copy the whole film, but if you only copy pages that have your ancestors on them, it should be okay in my opinion. There is no charge for doing this. I do not know where you are as far as what films you are viewing, but I hope this helps you in some way. Bobbie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] sweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A few ideas for coping at the FHC: Sometimes, the manual readers have something pretty simple wrong with them. The one at ours often was out of commission because the belt was stretched, and if people wound their reels too quickly, the belt would come off. It's really very easy to put the belt back on. I learned how to do it (another volunteer helped me find the manual for the machine) and now if the belt is off, I grab the screwdriver and fix it. The older manual machines are actually pretty stable because not much can go wrong with them. The only other thing that puts ours out of commission is the light burning out. Again, this is very easy to fix. Spare lights at our FHC are kept under the machine's top cover next to where the light has to be changed. It's easy to change the light, and you're back in business in no time. The dimness you experience might just mean it's time to change the bulb and no one knows how to do it. That little manual has instructions for that, too. Because the FHCs are staffed with volunteers, their levels of knowledge and ability to fix something vary. They often have to wait for someone to come and fix what breaks. It really helps to just learn how to do these simple things. Not only are you helping out, but you're also avoiding frustration because something doesn't work. I have brought cans of air to clean the lenses, made a new financial sheet because the old one was barely readable, and helped staff figure out how to do things on the computer. Now, I'm a regular volunteer, but have not always been. If you don't have copying capabilities but own a digital camera, consider bringing your camera with you to the FHC. By experimenting a little with the settings on your camera, you can just take digital pictures of the microfilmed pages. I do this all the time now. It's a lot cheaper, for sure :) Also, if you have a laptop, you might bring that along. I have one and take it with me every time I go. I hate taking notes. With the laptop, I enter all the information I'm extracting right into my genealogy program. Sure beats writing it all down! pb in Wisconsin On Apr 14, 2009, at 7:33 PM, Kristi Murdock wrote: > Bobbie, you are very lucky. The local FHC has one manual-wind > microfilm > reader with no copying capabilities, let alone the computer > connection. The > reader is often out of service, which can make for difficulties > when there > are several of us who have ordered films and are waiting to try to > see them, > albeit scratchy and dim. My understanding is that the budget is > going > toward digitizing rather than upgrading on-site equipment, but it > is very > frustrating to not really have any other option for being able to > see these > resources. > > --Kristi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bobbie" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 5:42 PM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] film reels and the info > > >> I just joined this group so I may have missed what led to this >> post. My >> local Family History Library and my County >> Library both have computers attached to a microfilm machine. You >> may save >> pages to a cd, flash drive, etc. I am >> assuming that it would not be proper (legal?) to copy the whole >> film, but >> if you only copy pages that have your >> ancestors on them, it should be okay in my opinion. There is no >> charge >> for doing this. >> >> I do not know where you are as far as what films you are viewing, >> but I >> hope this helps you in some way. >> >> Bobbie >> >>> >>> In a way-I can understand how everyone feels. At a quarter a page >>> this >>> hasn't been a really cheap >>> hobby for me. My children call this my "change of life" project. >>> I have >>> copied each page of the >>> Resehl reel and still working on Burow and Speck. These church >>> records >>> list -what I believe is >>> sponsors or godparents too and where they live. It is a very >>> interesting >>> project. The surnames are >>> just too many to list-so if you have an inkling that maybe you >>> might be >>> from that area-just send >>> me an e-mail and I'm happy to share. If that gets me into trouble >>> somewhere-oh well-I'll be very >>> sorry for what I've done. I was raised with four siblings and >>> everything >>> had to be shared. >>> Everyone-good hunting. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the >>> word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >>> of the >>> message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Bobbie, you are very lucky. The local FHC has one manual-wind microfilm reader with no copying capabilities, let alone the computer connection. The reader is often out of service, which can make for difficulties when there are several of us who have ordered films and are waiting to try to see them, albeit scratchy and dim. My understanding is that the budget is going toward digitizing rather than upgrading on-site equipment, but it is very frustrating to not really have any other option for being able to see these resources. --Kristi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobbie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] film reels and the info >I just joined this group so I may have missed what led to this post. My >local Family History Library and my County > Library both have computers attached to a microfilm machine. You may save > pages to a cd, flash drive, etc. I am > assuming that it would not be proper (legal?) to copy the whole film, but > if you only copy pages that have your > ancestors on them, it should be okay in my opinion. There is no charge > for doing this. > > I do not know where you are as far as what films you are viewing, but I > hope this helps you in some way. > > Bobbie > >> >> In a way-I can understand how everyone feels. At a quarter a page this >> hasn't been a really cheap >> hobby for me. My children call this my "change of life" project. I have >> copied each page of the >> Resehl reel and still working on Burow and Speck. These church records >> list -what I believe is >> sponsors or godparents too and where they live. It is a very interesting >> project. The surnames are >> just too many to list-so if you have an inkling that maybe you might be >> from that area-just send >> me an e-mail and I'm happy to share. If that gets me into trouble >> somewhere-oh well-I'll be very >> sorry for what I've done. I was raised with four siblings and everything >> had to be shared. >> Everyone-good hunting. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the >> word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bobbie, I'd like to help, but I'm afraid I have more questions for you first. Per the 1900 Census Anna Marie arrived in 1855 and Catherine Caroline arrived in 1861. Have you found either in the ships passenger lists? Are you assuming they both came alone or did they come with other family members? What church did they attend? Have you checked their marriage records to see if their place of birth is listed? Also their parents names? I see that Anna Marie's death certificate gives her parents names as you have them listed. Catherine Caroline's does not, so can we assume you have other records that shows she was a sister to Anna Marie? If a place isn't found in their marriage records then see if their is anything in the church death records. An example from my own family, the following is the funeral record from the church she attended. "Arndt, Justine (born Wiele), born May 11th, 1838 in Dehme, Westphalen, Germany. She came to America in 1860 and married Wilh. Schuette in 1862, he died in 1873. She married Herman Arndt on Oct 13th, 1876. She died Jan 19th, 1913 and was buried on the 21st. Age 74 years, 8 months, 8 days." It is extremely difficult to find your ancestor in Germany without first finding their hometown through records in the U.S. Joel http://www.rafert.org/home At 01:12 PM 4/14/2009, you wrote: >I am new to this list and thought I should provide what I know and >what I am looking for. > >I am attempting to find info in Germany regarding births and any >other ancestors. Bobbie > >I have the following info: > >Descendants of William TIMMERMAN > >Generation No. 1 > >1. WILLIAM1 TIMMERMAN was born in Hannover, DEU. He married ISABEL >MEYER. She was born >in Hannover, DEU. > >Children of WILLIAM TIMMERMAN and ISABEL MEYER are: >2. i. ANNA MARIE CAROLINE2 TIMMERMAN, b. 14 Feb 1840, >Germany (per 1900 census), >Hannover (per 1860 census), Prussia (per 1870 census); d. 13 Feb >1919, St. Louis, MO. >3. ii. CATHERINE CAROLINE TIMMERMAN, b. 14 Feb 1843, >Germany per death cert MO; >d. 05 Nov 1921, St. Louis, MO. > >Generation No. 2 > >2. ANNA MARIE CAROLINE2 TIMMERMAN (WILLIAM1) was born 14 Feb 1840 >in Germany (per 1900 >census), Hannover (per 1860 census), Prussia (per 1870 census), and >died 13 Feb 1919 in St. Louis, >MO. She married NICHOLAS WILLIAM KUNTZ 11 Aug 1859 in St. Louis, >MO, son of JEAN KUNTZ and >MARGARET ROHR. He was born 11 Oct 1833 in Bliesbruck_ Moselle_ >France , France (per 1860 & >1870 census), 11/12 Oct 1833 per Ruth Kuntz, [email protected] lives >in Iowa, and died 11 Feb 1907 in >St. Louis, MO. > >More About ANNA MARIE CAROLINE TIMMERMAN: >Date born: 14 Feb 1840, Hanover, Germany >Died: 13 Feb 1919, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >Burial: 16 Feb 1919, Bellefontaine Cemetery, St. Louis, MO > >More About NICHOLAS WILLIAM KUNTZ: >Date born 2: 11 Oct 1833, Bliesbrucken, Sarreguemines, Lorraine, France >Died: 08 Feb 1907, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >Burial: 11 Feb 1907, Bellefontaine Cemetery, St. Louis, MO >Christening: 12 Oct 1833, Bliesbrucken, Sarreguemines, Lorraine, France > >More About NICHOLAS KUNTZ and ANNA TIMMERMAN: >Marriage 1: 11 Aug 1859, St. Louis, MO > >Children of ANNA TIMMERMAN and NICHOLAS KUNTZ are: > i. JOHN N3 KUNTZ, b. 10 Mar 1860, St. Louis, MO; d. 06 > Feb 1927; m. AMELIA ANN >ULRICH, 22 Oct 1884, St. Louis, MO1; b. 24 Aug 1861, ,,Missouri; d. >09 Aug 1949, St Louis, MO. > >More About JOHN N KUNTZ: >Date born 2: 09 Mar 1860, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >Died 2: 06 Feb 1927, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >Burial: 09 Feb 1927, Valhalla cem, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri > >More About JOHN KUNTZ and AMELIA ULRICH: Marriage: 22 Oct 1884, St. Louis, MO1 > > ii. LOUISE KUNTZ, b. 1864; d. 1884, died in childbirth; > m. HENRY HOWMILLER. > iii. NICHOLAS WILLIAM KUNTZ JR., b. Feb 1865, MO, per > 1900 census; d. May 1938, St. >Louis, MO; m. WILHEMINA BARBARA BURKEL, 16 Oct 1888, St. Louis, MO; >b. 21 Dec 1867, IL (per >1900 census), O'Fallon; d. 02 May 1945, St. Louis, MO. > >More About NICHOLAS WILLIAM KUNTZ JR. >Date born 2: Abt. Feb 1865, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >Died : May 1938, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >Burial: 25 May 1938, Bellefontaine ce, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri > >More About WILHEMINA BARBARA BURKEL: Burial: 05 May 1945, >Bellefontaine Cemetery, St. Louis, >MO > >More About NICHOLAS KUNTZ and WILHEMINA BURKEL: Marriage: 16 Oct >1888, St. Louis, MO > > iv. GEORGE NICHOLAS KUNTZ, b. 16 Aug 1872, St. Louis, > MO; d. 14 May 1952, St. >Louis, MO; m. ANNA MARIE KRINGS, 17 Apr 1907, St.Louis, St.Louis, >Missouri; b. 25 Jun 1879, >St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri; d. 25 Nov 1973, ,St.Louis, Missouri. > >More About GEORGE NICHOLAS KUNTZ: >Date born 2: 16 Aug 1872, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >Died 2: 14 May 1954, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >Burial : 17 May 1954, Sts.Peter & Paul, cem.St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri > >More About ANNA MARIE KRINGS: >Date born 2: 25 Jun 1879, St. Louis MO >Died 2: 25 Nov 1973, St Louis County MO >Burial 1: 28 Nov 1973, Sts.Peter & Paul, cem.St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri > >More About GEORGE KUNTZ and ANNA KRINGS: Marriage 1: 17 Apr 1907, >St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri > > v. LOUISE C. KUNTZ, b. Abt. Feb 1862, St.Louis, > St.Louis, Missouri; d. 17 Feb 1884, >St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri; m. HENRY C. HAWMILLER, 11 Oct 1882, >St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri. > >More About LOUISE C. KUNTZ: Burial: Bellefontaine ce, St.Louis, >St.Louis, Missouri > >More About HENRY HAWMILLER and LOUISE KUNTZ: Marriage: 11 Oct 1882, >St.Louis, St.Louis, >Missouri > > vi. EMMA VICTORIA KUNTZ, b. 23 Jan 1867, St.Louis, > St.Louis, Missouri; d. 15 Jul 1922, >St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri. > >More About EMMA VICTORIA KUNTZ: Burial: 18 Jul 1922, Bellefontaine >ce, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri > >3. CATHERINE CAROLINE2 TIMMERMAN (WILLIAM1) was born 14 Feb 1843 in >Germany per death >cert MO, and died 05 Nov 1921 in St. Louis, MO. She married WILLIAM >BLUME 03 Dec 1865 in St. >Louis, MO. He was born Abt. 1827 in Germany, and died 05 Jan 1898 >in St. Louis, MO. > >More About CATHERINE CAROLINE TIMMERMAN: Burial: St Peters Cemetery > >More About WILLIAM BLUME and CATHERINE TIMMERMAN: Marriage: 03 Dec >1865, St. Louis, MO > >Children of CATHERINE TIMMERMAN and WILLIAM BLUME are: > i. MATHILDA3 BLUME, b. 1858, MO per 1920 census; m. > HENRY VERRELL, 23 Jun >1888, St. Louis, MO3; b. 23 Jun 1857; d. 23 Oct 1921, St. Louis, MO. > >More About HENRY VERRELL: Burial: St Peters Cemetery > >More About HENRY VERRELL and MATHILDA BLUME: Marriage: 23 Jun 1888, >St. Louis, MO3 > > ii. GEORGE BLUME, b. 1868, St Louis, MO; d. Abt. 26 Dec > 1907, St Louis, MO. > iii. EDWARD BLUME, b. 1869, St Louis, MO; d. Abt. 01 Feb > 1899, St Louis, MO. > iv. EDA BLUME, b. 1872, St Louis, MO; d. Abt. 27 Jan > 1875, St Louis, MO. > v. EMMA BLUME, b. 1874, St Louis, MO; d. Abt. 03 Jul > 1875, St Louis, MO. > vi. ARTHUR W BLUME, b. 1876, St Louis, MO; d. Abt. 07 > Nov 1882, St Louis, MO. > >Endnotes >1. License 13104 vol 27 page 551 city of St. Louis. >2. License 133904 vol 67 page 49. >3. Per St Louis Marriage License #28004 vol 35 page 42. > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree with Joel. I see the county marriage record for Caroline and Nicholas online at ancestry.com. My research strategy of choice would be to find out which church Louis E. Nollan, minister of the Gospel, was a pastor of in St. Louis. Then I would search through those church books for children's births, baptisms, confirmation records, as well and marriage and death records for everyone in your family. Make special notes about any other Timmermann or Kuntz or Blume that you find in those records. They will quite likely be close relatives of your clan. Kathy www.Kiva.org - loans that change lives. Change the world one loan at a time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel S. Russell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] HELP - TIMMERMAN > Hi Bobbie, > > I'd like to help, but I'm afraid I have more questions for you first. > > Per the 1900 Census Anna Marie arrived in 1855 and Catherine Caroline > arrived in 1861. Have you found either in the ships passenger > lists? Are you assuming they both came alone or did they come with > other family members? What church did they attend? Have you checked > their marriage records to see if their place of birth is > listed? Also their parents names? I see that Anna Marie's death > certificate gives her parents names as you have them > listed. Catherine Caroline's does not, so can we assume you have > other records that shows she was a sister to Anna Marie? If a place > isn't found in their marriage records then see if their is anything > in the church death records. > > An example from my own family, the following is the funeral record > from the church she attended. > "Arndt, Justine (born Wiele), born May 11th, 1838 in Dehme, > Westphalen, Germany. She came to America in 1860 and married Wilh. > Schuette in 1862, he died in 1873. She married Herman Arndt on Oct > 13th, 1876. She died Jan 19th, 1913 and was buried on the 21st. Age > 74 years, 8 months, 8 days." > > It is extremely difficult to find your ancestor in Germany without > first finding their hometown through records in the U.S. > > Joel > http://www.rafert.org/home > > > At 01:12 PM 4/14/2009, you wrote: >>I am new to this list and thought I should provide what I know and >>what I am looking for. >> >>I am attempting to find info in Germany regarding births and any >>other ancestors. Bobbie >> >>I have the following info: >> >>Descendants of William TIMMERMAN >> >>Generation No. 1 >> >>1. WILLIAM1 TIMMERMAN was born in Hannover, DEU. He married ISABEL >>MEYER. She was born >>in Hannover, DEU. >> >>Children of WILLIAM TIMMERMAN and ISABEL MEYER are: >>2. i. ANNA MARIE CAROLINE2 TIMMERMAN, b. 14 Feb 1840, >>Germany (per 1900 census), >>Hannover (per 1860 census), Prussia (per 1870 census); d. 13 Feb >>1919, St. Louis, MO. >>3. ii. CATHERINE CAROLINE TIMMERMAN, b. 14 Feb 1843, >>Germany per death cert MO; >>d. 05 Nov 1921, St. Louis, MO. >> >>Generation No. 2 >> >>2. ANNA MARIE CAROLINE2 TIMMERMAN (WILLIAM1) was born 14 Feb 1840 >>in Germany (per 1900 >>census), Hannover (per 1860 census), Prussia (per 1870 census), and >>died 13 Feb 1919 in St. Louis, >>MO. She married NICHOLAS WILLIAM KUNTZ 11 Aug 1859 in St. Louis, >>MO, son of JEAN KUNTZ and >>MARGARET ROHR. He was born 11 Oct 1833 in Bliesbruck_ Moselle_ >>France , France (per 1860 & >>1870 census), 11/12 Oct 1833 per Ruth Kuntz, [email protected] lives >>in Iowa, and died 11 Feb 1907 in >>St. Louis, MO. >> >>More About ANNA MARIE CAROLINE TIMMERMAN: >>Date born: 14 Feb 1840, Hanover, Germany >>Died: 13 Feb 1919, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >>Burial: 16 Feb 1919, Bellefontaine Cemetery, St. Louis, MO >> >>More About NICHOLAS WILLIAM KUNTZ: >>Date born 2: 11 Oct 1833, Bliesbrucken, Sarreguemines, Lorraine, France >>Died: 08 Feb 1907, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >>Burial: 11 Feb 1907, Bellefontaine Cemetery, St. Louis, MO >>Christening: 12 Oct 1833, Bliesbrucken, Sarreguemines, Lorraine, France >> >>More About NICHOLAS KUNTZ and ANNA TIMMERMAN: >>Marriage 1: 11 Aug 1859, St. Louis, MO >> >>Children of ANNA TIMMERMAN and NICHOLAS KUNTZ are: >> i. JOHN N3 KUNTZ, b. 10 Mar 1860, St. Louis, MO; d. 06 >> Feb 1927; m. AMELIA ANN >>ULRICH, 22 Oct 1884, St. Louis, MO1; b. 24 Aug 1861, ,,Missouri; d. >>09 Aug 1949, St Louis, MO. >> >>More About JOHN N KUNTZ: >>Date born 2: 09 Mar 1860, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >>Died 2: 06 Feb 1927, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >>Burial: 09 Feb 1927, Valhalla cem, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >> >>More About JOHN KUNTZ and AMELIA ULRICH: Marriage: 22 Oct 1884, St. Louis, >>MO1 >> >> ii. LOUISE KUNTZ, b. 1864; d. 1884, died in childbirth; >> m. HENRY HOWMILLER. >> iii. NICHOLAS WILLIAM KUNTZ JR., b. Feb 1865, MO, per >> 1900 census; d. May 1938, St. >>Louis, MO; m. WILHEMINA BARBARA BURKEL, 16 Oct 1888, St. Louis, MO; >>b. 21 Dec 1867, IL (per >>1900 census), O'Fallon; d. 02 May 1945, St. Louis, MO. >> >>More About NICHOLAS WILLIAM KUNTZ JR. >>Date born 2: Abt. Feb 1865, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >>Died : May 1938, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >>Burial: 25 May 1938, Bellefontaine ce, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >> >>More About WILHEMINA BARBARA BURKEL: Burial: 05 May 1945, >>Bellefontaine Cemetery, St. Louis, >>MO >> >>More About NICHOLAS KUNTZ and WILHEMINA BURKEL: Marriage: 16 Oct >>1888, St. Louis, MO >> >> iv. GEORGE NICHOLAS KUNTZ, b. 16 Aug 1872, St. Louis, >> MO; d. 14 May 1952, St. >>Louis, MO; m. ANNA MARIE KRINGS, 17 Apr 1907, St.Louis, St.Louis, >>Missouri; b. 25 Jun 1879, >>St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri; d. 25 Nov 1973, ,St.Louis, Missouri. >> >>More About GEORGE NICHOLAS KUNTZ: >>Date born 2: 16 Aug 1872, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >>Died 2: 14 May 1954, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >>Burial : 17 May 1954, Sts.Peter & Paul, cem.St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >> >>More About ANNA MARIE KRINGS: >>Date born 2: 25 Jun 1879, St. Louis MO >>Died 2: 25 Nov 1973, St Louis County MO >>Burial 1: 28 Nov 1973, Sts.Peter & Paul, cem.St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >> >>More About GEORGE KUNTZ and ANNA KRINGS: Marriage 1: 17 Apr 1907, >>St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >> >> v. LOUISE C. KUNTZ, b. Abt. Feb 1862, St.Louis, >> St.Louis, Missouri; d. 17 Feb 1884, >>St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri; m. HENRY C. HAWMILLER, 11 Oct 1882, >>St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri. >> >>More About LOUISE C. KUNTZ: Burial: Bellefontaine ce, St.Louis, >>St.Louis, Missouri >> >>More About HENRY HAWMILLER and LOUISE KUNTZ: Marriage: 11 Oct 1882, >>St.Louis, St.Louis, >>Missouri >> >> vi. EMMA VICTORIA KUNTZ, b. 23 Jan 1867, St.Louis, >> St.Louis, Missouri; d. 15 Jul 1922, >>St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri. >> >>More About EMMA VICTORIA KUNTZ: Burial: 18 Jul 1922, Bellefontaine >>ce, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >> >>3. CATHERINE CAROLINE2 TIMMERMAN (WILLIAM1) was born 14 Feb 1843 in >>Germany per death >>cert MO, and died 05 Nov 1921 in St. Louis, MO. She married WILLIAM >>BLUME 03 Dec 1865 in St. >>Louis, MO. He was born Abt. 1827 in Germany, and died 05 Jan 1898 >>in St. Louis, MO. >> >>More About CATHERINE CAROLINE TIMMERMAN: Burial: St Peters Cemetery >> >>More About WILLIAM BLUME and CATHERINE TIMMERMAN: Marriage: 03 Dec >>1865, St. Louis, MO >> >>Children of CATHERINE TIMMERMAN and WILLIAM BLUME are: >> i. MATHILDA3 BLUME, b. 1858, MO per 1920 census; m. >> HENRY VERRELL, 23 Jun >>1888, St. Louis, MO3; b. 23 Jun 1857; d. 23 Oct 1921, St. Louis, MO. >> >>More About HENRY VERRELL: Burial: St Peters Cemetery >> >>More About HENRY VERRELL and MATHILDA BLUME: Marriage: 23 Jun 1888, >>St. Louis, MO3 >> >> ii. GEORGE BLUME, b. 1868, St Louis, MO; d. Abt. 26 Dec >> 1907, St Louis, MO. >> iii. EDWARD BLUME, b. 1869, St Louis, MO; d. Abt. 01 Feb >> 1899, St Louis, MO. >> iv. EDA BLUME, b. 1872, St Louis, MO; d. Abt. 27 Jan >> 1875, St Louis, MO. >> v. EMMA BLUME, b. 1874, St Louis, MO; d. Abt. 03 Jul >> 1875, St Louis, MO. >> vi. ARTHUR W BLUME, b. 1876, St Louis, MO; d. Abt. 07 >> Nov 1882, St Louis, MO. >> >>Endnotes >>1. License 13104 vol 27 page 551 city of St. Louis. >>2. License 133904 vol 67 page 49. >>3. 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I just joined this group so I may have missed what led to this post. My local Family History Library and my County Library both have computers attached to a microfilm machine. You may save pages to a cd, flash drive, etc. I am assuming that it would not be proper (legal?) to copy the whole film, but if you only copy pages that have your ancestors on them, it should be okay in my opinion. There is no charge for doing this. I do not know where you are as far as what films you are viewing, but I hope this helps you in some way. Bobbie > > In a way-I can understand how everyone feels. At a quarter a page this hasn't been a really cheap > hobby for me. My children call this my "change of life" project. I have copied each page of the > Resehl reel and still working on Burow and Speck. These church records list -what I believe is > sponsors or godparents too and where they live. It is a very interesting project. The surnames are > just too many to list-so if you have an inkling that maybe you might be from that area-just send > me an e-mail and I'm happy to share. If that gets me into trouble somewhere-oh well-I'll be very > sorry for what I've done. I was raised with four siblings and everything had to be shared. > Everyone-good hunting. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks, Frederick, for the updates on FamilySearch! Kathleen

Cheryl Bless your heart for all the good you do! Thank you! Jeanne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Siebrass" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Genealogy sites.... >I don't post?my family tree info online either.? However, >I?contribute?photos, scans?and transcriptions of?original?records?to the >USGENWEB project (www.usgenweb.org).??For example, I recently contributed >scans of an 1899 high school yearbook and am working on a transcription >of?the names.? Next I want to?scan and transcribe the Dec. 4, 1872 issue of >a?newspaper that I found in a box of my great-grandparents things (the town >burned down in the early 1870's, so the library and newspaper office don't >have copies of the newspaper prior to 1874 - this is likely the only copy >of this issue in existence).? > > So many historical records end up "lost" for one reason or another.? > Anyone doing serious research wants to see the sources?anyway - not the > family tree that?someone else has?put together.? A lot of us have old > source records (secondary and primary) that would be of interest to other > genealogists.? So I concentrate on that, and just share my tree with close > relatives. > > Cheryl S. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

1. Record Search - go to pilot.familysearch.org instead This site is just a laboratory. Pilot is next stage for much of completed indexed projects. 2. FamilyTree is limited to LDS members 3. Standard Finder is not to be trusted. Too many errors 4. FamilySearch Alpah - this is very new hence "Alpha" testing ("Beta" is 2nd stage) David Samuelsen Frederick Falkenberg wrote: > Hi! folks check this free web site out > > > > > Record Search > Record Search is a quick and easy way to search millions of historical > records for clues about your ancestors. Click on a map to see what > records exist for a geographic area or enter what you know about an > ancestor, click search, and see matching records - all online. We're > adding millions of new records so be sure to check back often. > (requires Adobe Flash Player) > > Updated 18 Feb 2009 to version 1.5. Read more about Record Search on > the Labs blog. > > > > • > Family Tree > The FamilySearch Family Tree allows you to navigate from yourself, to > your ancestors, and beyond. Users of the Family Tree collectively and > collaboratively organize information into its appropriate node on this > shared tree. Ultimately, each node will be a folder containing or > linking to all known information for an individual. > > Navigate the tree. Open the Folders to discover additional > information about individuals. Search for records not found on your > part of the tree. > (requires Adobe Flash Player) > > Updated 13 Mar 2009. Read more about the Family Tree on the Labs blo > • > Standard Finder > With Standard Finder you can search for a standardized name, date or > place based on your input. The Standard Finder will present the > standards that will be used in future releases of new FamilySearch. > Come and try out your historical and current entries and understand > how the system will interpret your input. Use filtered results to see > what we think the best match would be or uncheck filtered results to > see all the possible standards. Then send us feedback on how the > system can do better. > > Updated 26 Feb 2009. Find out more on the Labs blog > > > > • > Research Wiki > The FamilySearch Research Wiki forms a community of research experts > and interested genealogists that share up to date information on how > to research sources for information about your ancestors. The larger > the community the more useful the data is, so come and be a part. > > > > > > FamilySearch Alpha > We're starting a major renovation to the familysearch.org website. We > hope to make it a place where people can come together and work on > their family history. We'll build it here on labs where you can > monitor our progress and give feedback as we go. As always, please use > the feedback link to tell us what you think. > > > > Frederick > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I don't post?my family tree info online either.? However, I?contribute?photos, scans?and transcriptions of?original?records?to the USGENWEB project (www.usgenweb.org).??For example, I recently contributed scans of an 1899 high school yearbook and am working on a transcription of?the names.? Next I want to?scan and transcribe the Dec. 4, 1872 issue of a?newspaper that I found in a box of my great-grandparents things (the town burned down in the early 1870's, so the library and newspaper office don't have copies of the newspaper prior to 1874 - this is likely the only copy of this issue in existence).? So many historical records end up "lost" for one reason or another.? Anyone doing serious research wants to see the sources?anyway - not the family tree that?someone else has?put together.? A lot of us have old source records (secondary and primary) that would be of interest to other genealogists.? So I concentrate on that, and just share my tree with close relatives. Cheryl S.

Hi! folks check this free web site out Record Search Record Search is a quick and easy way to search millions of historical records for clues about your ancestors. Click on a map to see what records exist for a geographic area or enter what you know about an ancestor, click search, and see matching records - all online. We're adding millions of new records so be sure to check back often. (requires Adobe Flash Player) Updated 18 Feb 2009 to version 1.5. Read more about Record Search on the Labs blog. • Family Tree The FamilySearch Family Tree allows you to navigate from yourself, to your ancestors, and beyond. Users of the Family Tree collectively and collaboratively organize information into its appropriate node on this shared tree. Ultimately, each node will be a folder containing or linking to all known information for an individual. Navigate the tree. Open the Folders to discover additional information about individuals. Search for records not found on your part of the tree. (requires Adobe Flash Player) Updated 13 Mar 2009. Read more about the Family Tree on the Labs blo • Standard Finder With Standard Finder you can search for a standardized name, date or place based on your input. The Standard Finder will present the standards that will be used in future releases of new FamilySearch. Come and try out your historical and current entries and understand how the system will interpret your input. Use filtered results to see what we think the best match would be or uncheck filtered results to see all the possible standards. Then send us feedback on how the system can do better. Updated 26 Feb 2009. Find out more on the Labs blog • Research Wiki The FamilySearch Research Wiki forms a community of research experts and interested genealogists that share up to date information on how to research sources for information about your ancestors. The larger the community the more useful the data is, so come and be a part. FamilySearch Alpha We're starting a major renovation to the familysearch.org website. We hope to make it a place where people can come together and work on their family history. We'll build it here on labs where you can monitor our progress and give feedback as we go. As always, please use the feedback link to tell us what you think. Frederick

The complaints regarding garbage data at Ancestry and 'paying' for data provided to Ancestry are valid. Two points: 1) As with ALL data, whether it comes from your cousin Mary or the Ancestry website, evaluating the source is ESSENTIAL. Your cousin Mary may have provided some of the garbage you find on Ancestry. I NEVER accept Ancestry data unless it is sourced and I feel the source is valid. Same goes for data from my cousins. 2) Yes, we have all spent decades accumulating our family history data and it's 'JUST NOT FAIR' that Ancestry charges for it. Ancestry is a business, not a philanthropy. They provide a valuable service, albeit not a perfect service. It costs Ancestry to maintain a HUGE amount of data (yes, some of it is garbage) and make it available and accessible to the public. They have to pay for services and people to support their operation. I personally am delighted that there is a repository for my data that will probably outlast my neural network by centuries. Regards, JB 'Immortality first, everything else can wait!' Corwyn Prater

In a way-I can understand how everyone feels. At a quarter a page this hasn't been a really cheap hobby for me. My children call this my "change of life" project. I have copied each page of the Resehl reel and still working on Burow and Speck. These church records list -what I believe is sponsors or godparents too and where they live. It is a very interesting project. The surnames are just too many to list-so if you have an inkling that maybe you might be from that area-just send me an e-mail and I'm happy to share. If that gets me into trouble somewhere-oh well-I'll be very sorry for what I've done. I was raised with four siblings and everything had to be shared. Everyone-good hunting.

Joan mentioned another point that I did not bring in my original message... publishing a book. I have a non-related mentor in genealogy that added a new twist to passing information to relatives. I did mention books to him quite some time ago and he has published them but no longer does because of the cost (publishing and selling). He switched his base holding software from FTM to 'Wholly Genes.' According to him, the Wholly Genes will accept imported files from most other software applications... couldn't tell you which ones it will or won't.. The main page is http://www.whollygenes.com/ and the forum part is http://www.whollygenes.com/forums201/index.php O.K., what he now does is burn and sell the DVD's at family functions/reunions at a cost of whatever he pleases. A few years ago he quoted me $2.00 - $3.00 per DVD vs. above $40.00 per published book. Another advantage he stated was cutting one DVD or a multitude. When changes occur or new information is available, the same cost effective manor can be used to burn another DVD vs. publishing a new book at X numbers of copies. Livvy... didn't mean to puzzle you! I fear loosing control over what I have gathered. I do 'broadcast' surnames and places that my research takes me on Ancestry/Rootsweb etc. I would have a cardiac arrest if someone put a complete family tree of mine online to troll for others without my authorization. I do share with others when a solid link can be established either through surname or area. Mona... sorry the information from your second cousin was lost. That!... is a tragedy! Still, I could not share as you mentioned. I have five folders per family group (Census, Education, Milestones, Military and Necrology) that provide the foundation for each of the family tree's. In my will, I have requested that if no one comes forth with a desire for genealogy, then the material is to be turned over to the local historical society in the county (US) that the surname immigrated/migrated to. Hopefully that will do the trick and nothing will be destroyed or lost. Yes Cheryl... $22.00 per birth, marriage and death certificate stings! Have you tried RAoGK (Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness)? They are volunteers that will do one lookup for free and usually a gratuity for more documents. You have to work the deal with them. http://www.raogk.org/listing.htm Hope all your relatives aren't horse thieves!!! Regards, Bob~~ Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Genealogy Web Sites I plan to publish it in a book and sell it for minimal costs, so that all can have the information. Joan

I am new to this list and thought I should provide what I know and what I am looking for. I am attempting to find info in Germany regarding births and any other ancestors. Bobbie I have the following info: Descendants of William TIMMERMAN Generation No. 1 1. WILLIAM1 TIMMERMAN was born in Hannover, DEU. He married ISABEL MEYER. She was born in Hannover, DEU. Children of WILLIAM TIMMERMAN and ISABEL MEYER are: 2. i. ANNA MARIE CAROLINE2 TIMMERMAN, b. 14 Feb 1840, Germany (per 1900 census), Hannover (per 1860 census), Prussia (per 1870 census); d. 13 Feb 1919, St. Louis, MO. 3. ii. CATHERINE CAROLINE TIMMERMAN, b. 14 Feb 1843, Germany per death cert MO; d. 05 Nov 1921, St. Louis, MO. Generation No. 2 2. ANNA MARIE CAROLINE2 TIMMERMAN (WILLIAM1) was born 14 Feb 1840 in Germany (per 1900 census), Hannover (per 1860 census), Prussia (per 1870 census), and died 13 Feb 1919 in St. Louis, MO. She married NICHOLAS WILLIAM KUNTZ 11 Aug 1859 in St. Louis, MO, son of JEAN KUNTZ and MARGARET ROHR. He was born 11 Oct 1833 in Bliesbruck_ Moselle_ France , France (per 1860 & 1870 census), 11/12 Oct 1833 per Ruth Kuntz, [email protected] lives in Iowa, and died 11 Feb 1907 in St. Louis, MO. More About ANNA MARIE CAROLINE TIMMERMAN: Date born: 14 Feb 1840, Hanover, Germany Died: 13 Feb 1919, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri Burial: 16 Feb 1919, Bellefontaine Cemetery, St. Louis, MO More About NICHOLAS WILLIAM KUNTZ: Date born 2: 11 Oct 1833, Bliesbrucken, Sarreguemines, Lorraine, France Died: 08 Feb 1907, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri Burial: 11 Feb 1907, Bellefontaine Cemetery, St. Louis, MO Christening: 12 Oct 1833, Bliesbrucken, Sarreguemines, Lorraine, France More About NICHOLAS KUNTZ and ANNA TIMMERMAN: Marriage 1: 11 Aug 1859, St. Louis, MO Children of ANNA TIMMERMAN and NICHOLAS KUNTZ are: i. JOHN N3 KUNTZ, b. 10 Mar 1860, St. Louis, MO; d. 06 Feb 1927; m. AMELIA ANN ULRICH, 22 Oct 1884, St. Louis, MO1; b. 24 Aug 1861, ,,Missouri; d. 09 Aug 1949, St Louis, MO. More About JOHN N KUNTZ: Date born 2: 09 Mar 1860, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri Died 2: 06 Feb 1927, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri Burial: 09 Feb 1927, Valhalla cem, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri More About JOHN KUNTZ and AMELIA ULRICH: Marriage: 22 Oct 1884, St. Louis, MO1 ii. LOUISE KUNTZ, b. 1864; d. 1884, died in childbirth; m. HENRY HOWMILLER. iii. NICHOLAS WILLIAM KUNTZ JR., b. Feb 1865, MO, per 1900 census; d. May 1938, St. Louis, MO; m. WILHEMINA BARBARA BURKEL, 16 Oct 1888, St. Louis, MO; b. 21 Dec 1867, IL (per 1900 census), O'Fallon; d. 02 May 1945, St. Louis, MO. More About NICHOLAS WILLIAM KUNTZ JR. Date born 2: Abt. Feb 1865, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri Died : May 1938, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri Burial: 25 May 1938, Bellefontaine ce, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri More About WILHEMINA BARBARA BURKEL: Burial: 05 May 1945, Bellefontaine Cemetery, St. Louis, MO More About NICHOLAS KUNTZ and WILHEMINA BURKEL: Marriage: 16 Oct 1888, St. Louis, MO iv. GEORGE NICHOLAS KUNTZ, b. 16 Aug 1872, St. Louis, MO; d. 14 May 1952, St. Louis, MO; m. ANNA MARIE KRINGS, 17 Apr 1907, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri; b. 25 Jun 1879, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri; d. 25 Nov 1973, ,St.Louis, Missouri. More About GEORGE NICHOLAS KUNTZ: Date born 2: 16 Aug 1872, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri Died 2: 14 May 1954, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri Burial : 17 May 1954, Sts.Peter & Paul, cem.St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri More About ANNA MARIE KRINGS: Date born 2: 25 Jun 1879, St. Louis MO Died 2: 25 Nov 1973, St Louis County MO Burial 1: 28 Nov 1973, Sts.Peter & Paul, cem.St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri More About GEORGE KUNTZ and ANNA KRINGS: Marriage 1: 17 Apr 1907, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri v. LOUISE C. KUNTZ, b. Abt. Feb 1862, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri; d. 17 Feb 1884, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri; m. HENRY C. HAWMILLER, 11 Oct 1882, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri. More About LOUISE C. KUNTZ: Burial: Bellefontaine ce, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri More About HENRY HAWMILLER and LOUISE KUNTZ: Marriage: 11 Oct 1882, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri vi. EMMA VICTORIA KUNTZ, b. 23 Jan 1867, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri; d. 15 Jul 1922, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri. More About EMMA VICTORIA KUNTZ: Burial: 18 Jul 1922, Bellefontaine ce, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri 3. CATHERINE CAROLINE2 TIMMERMAN (WILLIAM1) was born 14 Feb 1843 in Germany per death cert MO, and died 05 Nov 1921 in St. Louis, MO. She married WILLIAM BLUME 03 Dec 1865 in St. Louis, MO. He was born Abt. 1827 in Germany, and died 05 Jan 1898 in St. Louis, MO. More About CATHERINE CAROLINE TIMMERMAN: Burial: St Peters Cemetery More About WILLIAM BLUME and CATHERINE TIMMERMAN: Marriage: 03 Dec 1865, St. Louis, MO Children of CATHERINE TIMMERMAN and WILLIAM BLUME are: i. MATHILDA3 BLUME, b. 1858, MO per 1920 census; m. HENRY VERRELL, 23 Jun 1888, St. Louis, MO3; b. 23 Jun 1857; d. 23 Oct 1921, St. Louis, MO. More About HENRY VERRELL: Burial: St Peters Cemetery More About HENRY VERRELL and MATHILDA BLUME: Marriage: 23 Jun 1888, St. Louis, MO3 ii. GEORGE BLUME, b. 1868, St Louis, MO; d. Abt. 26 Dec 1907, St Louis, MO. iii. EDWARD BLUME, b. 1869, St Louis, MO; d. Abt. 01 Feb 1899, St Louis, MO. iv. EDA BLUME, b. 1872, St Louis, MO; d. Abt. 27 Jan 1875, St Louis, MO. v. EMMA BLUME, b. 1874, St Louis, MO; d. Abt. 03 Jul 1875, St Louis, MO. vi. ARTHUR W BLUME, b. 1876, St Louis, MO; d. Abt. 07 Nov 1882, St Louis, MO. Endnotes 1. License 13104 vol 27 page 551 city of St. Louis. 2. License 133904 vol 67 page 49. 3. Per St Louis Marriage License #28004 vol 35 page 42.

I get a chuckle out of the ones who say "All I have is on line" no further info. Oh, so that means all you have is my ancestor's name and date of birth. If so, where did you get it and why did you take the time to enter such a teeny bit. Doesn't help anyone. Opps - guess that meanness is coming out. oh my! I got an even bigger chuckle out of the file that is on the presidents and their ancestry - so how did half my relatives end up on that site. Oh dear, oh dear. :):):) <<<This is also a sore spot with me. What bothers me is people who are not in the least related to me, put my relatives information on these sites, and of course it is very in accurate. I have a distant relative on my mothers side, who puts information about my husbands family on Ancestry.and Roots Web, and doesnt know any thing about the people. She thinks she does, but she doesnt.>>>

This is also a sore spot with me. What bothers me is people who are not in the least related to me, put my relatives information on these sites, and of course it is very in accurate. I have a distant relative on my mothers side, who puts information about my husbands family on Ancestry.and Roots Web, and doesnt know any thing about the people. She thinks she does, but she doesnt. There is nothing I can do about it, so that is why I dont put my infor on these sites. I plan to publish it in a book and sell it for minimal costs, so that all can have the information. Joan

In a message dated 4/14/2009 9:55:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: someone please Lily I will try to explain the way I do it that my information is kinda out there just not in detail like others I put many posts out there asking questions on many people in my trees so if someone wants to contact me then it will be a bonus and we can take it from there so that is how I choose to make my connections Cheryl **************The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421325x1201417411/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26h mpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilAvgfooterNO62)