Thanks to everyone for your comments and suggestions. I have copious info on Ferdinand and Anna's family here in the US. What I have not been able to find is where they were living in 'West Prussia.' Do you think the LDS microfiche might have more detail than just 'Germany' as Castlegarden and Ancestry have it? If so, I will pursue that path. Does anyone have a referal for a good professional German genealogist? Thanks again, JB ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 2:01 AM > 2. Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia (JB) > 3. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > (Sheila Kapella) > 4. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > (D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes) > 5. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > (Sheila Kapella) > 6. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegardento Prussia > (Kathy Hines) > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:23:17 -0500 > From: "JB" <[email protected]> > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Please help me find the link from > Castlegarden to Prussia > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > After a hint from the list that my Morse ancestors may have left West > Prussia with the surname Moers, I succeeded in locating them on the > Castlegarden website. > > First Last Occupation Age Sex Arrived Ship > Origin (Port) (Ctry) > FERDINAND MOERS LABORER 26 M 2 Dec 1881 RHEIN BREMEN & SOUTHAMPTON > GERMANY > ANNA MOERS WIFE 28 F 2 Dec 1881 RHEIN BREMEN & > SOUTHAMPTON GERMANY > AUGUSTE MOERS INFANT 7 m F 2 Dec 1881 RHEIN BREMEN & > SOUTHAMPTON GERMANY > > Is there enough information here to lead me back to the Moers' point of > departure in West Prussia? > > Thanks for any help you may be able to give, JB > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:57:53 -0500 > From: Sheila Kapella <[email protected]> > JB: You have enough information to obtain a copy of the microfilm from > the > LDS that would show the original ship manifest. Sometimes the > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:36:44 -0700 > From: "D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes" <[email protected]> > I have an ancestry.com subscription so I checked it for you, JB, and > the manifest only lists "Germany" as the place of origin. If you want > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:53:44 -0500 > From: "Kathy Hines" <[email protected]> > I agree with a previous post in this thread, look for obits and the church > (U.S.) records for this family.

On Jul 2, 2009, at 11:43 AM, JB wrote: > Thanks to everyone for your comments and suggestions. I have > copious info > on Ferdinand and Anna's family here in the US. What I have not been > able to > find is where they were living in 'West Prussia.' Do you think the > LDS > microfiche might have more detail than just 'Germany' as > Castlegarden and > Ancestry have it? If so, I will pursue that path. Does anyone have a > referal for a good professional German genealogist? Before you can look at microfilm or hire a genealogist, you'll still need to find out where in West Prussia you need to look. The area is too large to search with no clue where to start. Do any of the documents from sources in the USA (death certificate, naturalization papers, etc.) give a town of origin, or even a town of previous residence in West Prussia? Regards, Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes http://sakionline.net/familypage

It is listed on ancestry.com, but it is hard to find. Look for Anna "Mons" on the Rhein in 1881. The right hand columns don't have any useful added info. Just "Germany" for "the country to which they severally belong." I agree with a previous post in this thread, look for obits and the church (U.S.) records for this family. Kathy www.Kiva.org - loans that change lives. Change the world one loan at a time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Kapella" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Please help me find the link from Castlegardento Prussia > JB: You have enough information to obtain a copy of the microfilm from > the > LDS that would show the original ship manifest. Sometimes the > manifest gives the place of origin or last residence and sometimes not - > or > maybe it will just state "Germany". No way to tell until you look. (The > Germans to America books ususally left that info out even if the > original included it.) To make a long story short, this ship manifest > (for > the ship "RHEIN") should be found on LDS film #1027015. To verify my > search, go to the Family Search Catalog; in the "Place Search" box enter > "New York City". When results appear, click on 3rd line - "New York City, > New York City; scroll down and click on "New York City, New York City > Emmigration & immigration indexes"; When those results appear, click on > 4th > item "Passenger lists of vessels arriving at New York City 1820 - 1897; > index to passenger lists of vessels arriving in New York Cit 1820 - 1846 - > U.S. Immigration & Naturalization Service". When you arrive there, choose > "View Film Notes". Scroll down to dates which include your 2 December > 1881 > - should be about item 500. There you can verify if the film number I > cited > is correct. A long way to go but it is always an absolute must to view > the > original record. I don't subscribe to Ancestry so don't know if there is > an > easier way to view the original on their site. Hope this helps. Sheila > K. > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:23 PM, JB <[email protected]> wrote: > >> After a hint from the list that my Morse ancestors may have left West >> Prussia with the surname Moers, I succeeded in locating them on the >> Castlegarden website. >> >> First Last Occupation Age Sex Arrived Ship >> Origin (Port) (Ctry) >> FERDINAND MOERS LABORER 26 M 2 Dec 1881 RHEIN BREMEN & SOUTHAMPTON >> GERMANY >> ANNA MOERS WIFE 28 F 2 Dec 1881 RHEIN BREMEN & >> SOUTHAMPTON GERMANY >> AUGUSTE MOERS INFANT 7 m F 2 Dec 1881 RHEIN BREMEN & >> SOUTHAMPTON GERMANY >> >> Is there enough information here to lead me back to the Moers' point of >> departure in West Prussia? >> >> Thanks for any help you may be able to give, JB >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

An obituary may also be helpful as well as trying to locate the church this famiy attended in this country. The church records very often record the birthplace of German immigrant families. Sheila K.

JB: You have enough information to obtain a copy of the microfilm from the LDS that would show the original ship manifest. Sometimes the manifest gives the place of origin or last residence and sometimes not - or maybe it will just state "Germany". No way to tell until you look. (The Germans to America books ususally left that info out even if the original included it.) To make a long story short, this ship manifest (for the ship "RHEIN") should be found on LDS film #1027015. To verify my search, go to the Family Search Catalog; in the "Place Search" box enter "New York City". When results appear, click on 3rd line - "New York City, New York City; scroll down and click on "New York City, New York City Emmigration & immigration indexes"; When those results appear, click on 4th item "Passenger lists of vessels arriving at New York City 1820 - 1897; index to passenger lists of vessels arriving in New York Cit 1820 - 1846 - U.S. Immigration & Naturalization Service". When you arrive there, choose "View Film Notes". Scroll down to dates which include your 2 December 1881 - should be about item 500. There you can verify if the film number I cited is correct. A long way to go but it is always an absolute must to view the original record. I don't subscribe to Ancestry so don't know if there is an easier way to view the original on their site. Hope this helps. Sheila K. On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:23 PM, JB <[email protected]> wrote: > After a hint from the list that my Morse ancestors may have left West > Prussia with the surname Moers, I succeeded in locating them on the > Castlegarden website. > > First Last Occupation Age Sex Arrived Ship > Origin (Port) (Ctry) > FERDINAND MOERS LABORER 26 M 2 Dec 1881 RHEIN BREMEN & SOUTHAMPTON > GERMANY > ANNA MOERS WIFE 28 F 2 Dec 1881 RHEIN BREMEN & > SOUTHAMPTON GERMANY > AUGUSTE MOERS INFANT 7 m F 2 Dec 1881 RHEIN BREMEN & > SOUTHAMPTON GERMANY > > Is there enough information here to lead me back to the Moers' point of > departure in West Prussia? > > Thanks for any help you may be able to give, JB > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

After a hint from the list that my Morse ancestors may have left West Prussia with the surname Moers, I succeeded in locating them on the Castlegarden website. First Last Occupation Age Sex Arrived Ship Origin (Port) (Ctry) FERDINAND MOERS LABORER 26 M 2 Dec 1881 RHEIN BREMEN & SOUTHAMPTON GERMANY ANNA MOERS WIFE 28 F 2 Dec 1881 RHEIN BREMEN & SOUTHAMPTON GERMANY AUGUSTE MOERS INFANT 7 m F 2 Dec 1881 RHEIN BREMEN & SOUTHAMPTON GERMANY Is there enough information here to lead me back to the Moers' point of departure in West Prussia? Thanks for any help you may be able to give, JB

On Jul 1, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Sheila Kapella wrote: > JB: You have enough information to obtain a copy of the microfilm > from the > LDS that would show the original ship manifest. Sometimes the > manifest gives the place of origin or last residence and sometimes > not - or > maybe it will just state "Germany". No way to tell until you look. I have an ancestry.com subscription so I checked it for you, JB, and the manifest only lists "Germany" as the place of origin. If you want to explore this further in Ancestry, Ferdinand is transcribed as "Ferdinand Mons". The 1900 federal census shows Ferdinand, Anna, and lots of children living in Gladstone, Henderson County, Illinois; Ferdinand's birth information is July 1855. The 1920 census shows Ferdinand Morse, wife Anna, and son Adolph still living in Gladstone. Ferdinand's and Anna's birthplace is listed as "West Prussia" in this census, which might be a little clue. I can't find Ferdinand or Anna in the 1930 census. The Illinois State Archives index shows three death records for a Ferdinand Morse between 1920 - 1930 but none of them are in Henderson County and there's no way to know whether any of these are your Ferdinand because age isn't indicated in the index. A death certificate might be your best bet if you can track it down. Sometimes the informant had useful birthplace information to report. It might not hurt to phone the Henderson County court or vital records and ask them whether they have an index to death certificates in the county. They may refer you to a state archive but it never hurts to try. They may even have copies of original death certificates and may be willing to send you a copy for a small fee. Best of luck! Regards, Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes http://sakionline.net/familypage

Such an unusual name I had to try this maybe a relative??? Cook County Clerk of the Circuit Court. Has naturalization records Only one response Record Details for Volume 211 Page Number: 428 Declaration Number: 104028 FIRST NAME LAST NAME OCCUPATION PAUL TAJDUS LABORER FIRST NAME LAST NAME OCCUPATION PAUL TAJDUS LABORER BIRTH CITY BIRTH COUNTRY BIRTH DATE ZAMIESCIE, GALICIA AUSTRIA 4/15/1896 CURRENT ADDRESS CURRENT CITY 319 CENTER ST. CHICAGO DEPARTURE LOCATION ARRIVAL DATE DECLARATION DATE BREMEN, GERMANY 5/25/1913 3/10/1919 Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Hines" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] how do I find... > The ancestry.com image says "father: W Tajdus Tymbarle Gal." The > destintation columns are "Ill" (Illinois) and "Hegewisold" (as near as I > can > tell). Hegewisold doesn't seem like it would be a street name or anything > from Chicago.(?) > > My research strategy would be to find Aniela on the 1910 census and then > try > to locate the nearest Catholic church to their residence. Catholic > churches > keep great records on births, marriages, death/burials, and confirmation. > Maybe you could find a church death and burial record for Piotr. > > Kathy > www.Kiva.org - loans that change lives. Change the world one loan at a > time. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sheila Kapella" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:35 PM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] how do I find... > > >> Hello Elizabeth: >> >> Illinois did not require the filing of death certificates until 1916 so >> it >> is not surprising that you haven't found one. He was probably buried >> from >> a >> Catholic Church if you could find the correct one. Having been here only >> a >> month one would have to wonder how Aniela would have afforded a cemetery >> lot >> for Piotr. Perhaps a call to the cemetery will give you further info. >> Perhaps he is buried in a plot belonging to a previously arrived >> relative. >> I looked for them on Ellis Island and there is an entry, however it does >> not >> open to the correct page on the manifest. In fact it doesn't open to the >> ship noted in the text manifest. I see there is an entry for Ladislaus >> on >> the Ancestry version of New York arrivals but I do not subscribe so am >> not >> able to view it. I believe it would give info as to who they would be >> going >> to join in the US. They do not show up in any census records for 1910 or >> 1920, even using some creative searching. I searched the Illinois State >> Archives data base but found no entries including coroner records. Hope >> you >> have some better luck. Sheila K. >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:00 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Does anyone know how I can find information on my ggrandfather. Here >>> is >>> what I have so far... >>> >>> Piotr (peter) Tajdus arrived N.Y. 25 Aug 1909 >>> wife Aniela, arrived same date >>> son Ladislaus, same date. >>> They moved to Chicago. Piotr then died the next month. I called the >>> Polish >>> Cemetery in Chicago, Resurrection cemetery, and they have his DOD as, 26 >>> Sep 1909 >>> That is all I know. The family members that could answer questions have >>> all passed. I cannot find this man anywhere else in all of the searches >>> I >>> tried. >>> Could someone point me in the right direction? >>> Besides his tombstone info., shouldn't there be a death certificate? >>> I cannot find one. >>> Thank you, Elizabeth Sadecki-Davis >>> **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the >>> grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005) >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ NOD32 3990 (20090406) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

That's amazing, Sheila. I hadn't ever seen that link before. So we maybe looking for this family in Ward 33 or, more likely, Ward 8 of the 1910 census for Cook Co., IL? http://www.alookatcook.com/1910/1910hpermp.htm Kathy www.Kiva.org - loans that change lives. Change the world one loan at a time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Kapella" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:31 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] TAJDUS > Thanks to Kathy Hines - the chicago neighborhood the Tajdus family was > destined for would have been Hegewisch. Located on the far SE side > bordering with Indiana. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighborhoods_of_Chicago > > The above link will give you a map. Hope this helps. Sheila K. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks to Kathy Hines - the chicago neighborhood the Tajdus family was destined for would have been Hegewisch. Located on the far SE side bordering with Indiana. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighborhoods_of_Chicago The above link will give you a map. Hope this helps. Sheila K.

The ancestry.com image says "father: W Tajdus Tymbarle Gal." The destintation columns are "Ill" (Illinois) and "Hegewisold" (as near as I can tell). Hegewisold doesn't seem like it would be a street name or anything from Chicago.(?) My research strategy would be to find Aniela on the 1910 census and then try to locate the nearest Catholic church to their residence. Catholic churches keep great records on births, marriages, death/burials, and confirmation. Maybe you could find a church death and burial record for Piotr. Kathy www.Kiva.org - loans that change lives. Change the world one loan at a time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Kapella" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] how do I find... > Hello Elizabeth: > > Illinois did not require the filing of death certificates until 1916 so it > is not surprising that you haven't found one. He was probably buried from > a > Catholic Church if you could find the correct one. Having been here only > a > month one would have to wonder how Aniela would have afforded a cemetery > lot > for Piotr. Perhaps a call to the cemetery will give you further info. > Perhaps he is buried in a plot belonging to a previously arrived relative. > I looked for them on Ellis Island and there is an entry, however it does > not > open to the correct page on the manifest. In fact it doesn't open to the > ship noted in the text manifest. I see there is an entry for Ladislaus > on > the Ancestry version of New York arrivals but I do not subscribe so am not > able to view it. I believe it would give info as to who they would be > going > to join in the US. They do not show up in any census records for 1910 or > 1920, even using some creative searching. I searched the Illinois State > Archives data base but found no entries including coroner records. Hope > you > have some better luck. Sheila K. > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:00 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Does anyone know how I can find information on my ggrandfather. Here is >> what I have so far... >> >> Piotr (peter) Tajdus arrived N.Y. 25 Aug 1909 >> wife Aniela, arrived same date >> son Ladislaus, same date. >> They moved to Chicago. Piotr then died the next month. I called the >> Polish >> Cemetery in Chicago, Resurrection cemetery, and they have his DOD as, 26 >> Sep 1909 >> That is all I know. The family members that could answer questions have >> all passed. I cannot find this man anywhere else in all of the searches >> I >> tried. >> Could someone point me in the right direction? >> Besides his tombstone info., shouldn't there be a death certificate? >> I cannot find one. >> Thank you, Elizabeth Sadecki-Davis >> **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the >> grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Elizabeth: Illinois did not require the filing of death certificates until 1916 so it is not surprising that you haven't found one. He was probably buried from a Catholic Church if you could find the correct one. Having been here only a month one would have to wonder how Aniela would have afforded a cemetery lot for Piotr. Perhaps a call to the cemetery will give you further info. Perhaps he is buried in a plot belonging to a previously arrived relative. I looked for them on Ellis Island and there is an entry, however it does not open to the correct page on the manifest. In fact it doesn't open to the ship noted in the text manifest. I see there is an entry for Ladislaus on the Ancestry version of New York arrivals but I do not subscribe so am not able to view it. I believe it would give info as to who they would be going to join in the US. They do not show up in any census records for 1910 or 1920, even using some creative searching. I searched the Illinois State Archives data base but found no entries including coroner records. Hope you have some better luck. Sheila K. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:00 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Does anyone know how I can find information on my ggrandfather. Here is > what I have so far... > > Piotr (peter) Tajdus arrived N.Y. 25 Aug 1909 > wife Aniela, arrived same date > son Ladislaus, same date. > They moved to Chicago. Piotr then died the next month. I called the Polish > Cemetery in Chicago, Resurrection cemetery, and they have his DOD as, 26 > Sep 1909 > That is all I know. The family members that could answer questions have > all passed. I cannot find this man anywhere else in all of the searches I > tried. > Could someone point me in the right direction? > Besides his tombstone info., shouldn't there be a death certificate? > I cannot find one. > Thank you, Elizabeth Sadecki-Davis > **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the > grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Debra wrote: <<It might be more productive to follow Ladislaus to see whether there are any Chicago-area records for him. One may give a birthplace for him, and that could lead to a better understanding of where this family originated.>> I'm not an expert here, but might you be able to find naturalization papers for Ladislaus?? If so, I think the the naturalization papers after the early 1900s give more information than earlier ones.... Just my beginner 2 cents. Nancy M.

Does anyone know how I can find information on my ggrandfather. Here is what I have so far... Piotr (peter) Tajdus arrived N.Y. 25 Aug 1909 wife Aniela, arrived same date son Ladislaus, same date. They moved to Chicago. Piotr then died the next month. I called the Polish Cemetery in Chicago, Resurrection cemetery, and they have his DOD as, 26 Sep 1909 That is all I know. The family members that could answer questions have all passed. I cannot find this man anywhere else in all of the searches I tried. Could someone point me in the right direction? Besides his tombstone info., shouldn't there be a death certificate? I cannot find one. Thank you, Elizabeth Sadecki-Davis **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005)

Elizabeth, Free website for Ellis Island shows: Name:Tajdus, Piotr Residence: Tymbark, Galicia Age: 37 Born: 1872 Arrived: 1909 Passenger Record: First Name: Piotr Last Name: Tajdus Ethnicity: Austria Last Place of Residence: Tymbark, Galicia Date of Arrival: Aug 24, 1909 Age at Arrival: 37y Gender: M Marital Status: M Ship of Travel: Kaiser Wilhelm II Port of Departure: Bremen Manifest Line Number: 0009 Ships manifest shows him in company with: 0009. Tajdus, Piotr M 37y Married 0010. Tajdus, Aniela F 31y Married 0011. Tajdus, Ladislaus M 5y Single I suggest you go to the Ellis Island site and try to see a scan of the original documents. There's also a photo and history of the ship. Regards, Paul near Portland -------------------------------------------------- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:00 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] how do I find... > Does anyone know how I can find information on my ggrandfather. Here is > what I have so far... > > Piotr (peter) Tajdus arrived N.Y. 25 Aug 1909 > wife Aniela, arrived same date > son Ladislaus, same date. > They moved to Chicago. Piotr then died the next month. I called the Polish > Cemetery in Chicago, Resurrection cemetery, and they have his DOD as, 26 > Sep 1909 > That is all I know. The family members that could answer questions have > all passed. I cannot find this man anywhere else in all of the searches I > tried. > Could someone point me in the right direction? > Besides his tombstone info., shouldn't there be a death certificate? > I cannot find one. > Thank you, Elizabeth Sadecki-Davis

On Jun 30, 2009, at 12:00 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Does anyone know how I can find information on my ggrandfather. > Here is > what I have so far... > > Piotr (peter) Tajdus arrived N.Y. 25 Aug 1909 > wife Aniela, arrived same date > son Ladislaus, same date. > They moved to Chicago. Piotr then died the next month. I called the > Polish > Cemetery in Chicago, Resurrection cemetery, and they have his DOD > as, 26 > Sep 1909 > That is all I know. The family members that could answer questions > have > all passed. I cannot find this man anywhere else in all of the > searches I > tried. > Could someone point me in the right direction? > Besides his tombstone info., shouldn't there be a death certificate? > I cannot find one. The Prussia-Roots mailing list probably isn't the best place to start because your fellow was from Galicia, then under Austrian control, if the 1909 ship manifest is accurate. Piotr, Aniela and Ladislaus all come from "Tymbarle" (probably Trembowla, now Terebovlia in western Ukraine). Generally speaking there should be death certificate in Cook County for Piotr. I can't find one online at the moment, either through the LDS free site http://search.labs.familysearch.org or the subscription site at ancestry.com. However not all death certificates are indexed yet. It's also possible that Piotr's surname was improperly indexed or spelled differently. Since the cemetery has a date of death (or burial), why not call them back and ask them what the source is for the date? If they have a copy of the death certificate they may be willing to share information with you, or at least tell you what the certificate number is. Then you can order it directly from Cook County vital records. The more challenging task will be finding information on Piotr from Galician records. It might be more productive to follow Ladislaus to see whether there are any Chicago-area records for him. One may give a birthplace for him, and that could lead to a better understanding of where this family originated. Regards, Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes http://sakionline.net/familypage

Indeed Morgan, There are more of us lurking on the list that are not (wholly) American than a lot of people realise ;-) Bronwyn. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Marged <[email protected]> wrote: > British or expatriates - but I'm British and I'm on this list, so perhaps > there are others > > > Only British citizens can sign it. > > > > Morgan > > > > > > > > > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD > Join me > > > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:30:27 +0100 > > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] British Government e-petition > > > > > > A government e-petition to " Allow full and open access to registers of > > Birth, Marriage and Death from 1837 to 1908" has amazingly only got 5500 > > signatures. Hard to believe the family history fraternity haven't > mobilised > > themselves much better. > > > > http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/OpenBMDrecords/ > > > > Anyone who hasn't yet signed up should do so before 22 July when it > expires. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

British or expatriates - but I'm British and I'm on this list, so perhaps there are others Only British citizens can sign it. Morgan EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:30:27 +0100 > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] British Government e-petition > > > A government e-petition to " Allow full and open access to registers of > Birth, Marriage and Death from 1837 to 1908" has amazingly only got 5500 > signatures. Hard to believe the family history fraternity haven't mobilised > themselves much better. > > http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/OpenBMDrecords/ > > Anyone who hasn't yet signed up should do so before 22 July when it expires. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A government e-petition to " Allow full and open access to registers of Birth, Marriage and Death from 1837 to 1908" has amazingly only got 5500 signatures. Hard to believe the family history fraternity haven't mobilised themselves much better. http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/OpenBMDrecords/ Anyone who hasn't yet signed up should do so before 22 July when it expires.

Jackie, and Lyn, Lyn's email has been sent to everyone who subscribes to the Prussia-roots list, as has yours Jackie. SoLyn should have received it, along with the rest of us on the list :)) You will receive all manner of queries, and hopefully learn from the answers that get posted to them. If they do not interest you directly it is still a good idea to read them and learn about how others are solving their genealogy problems!! Lyn, I've had a quick look at a few sites and not come up with anything obvious about your family. The most important thing you need to find to try and research them in what was Prussia is the name of the villages, or collection of towns and villages, they were connected with in Prussia. You need to carefully search out all available records in Australia to see if such a location is listed. Many Church books give more detail than is on certificates, and some priests/pastors kept a sort of family roll, listing all the family members and where they were born. In my case this was crucial for finding my ancestors. The Christian names change in the expected way for a family moving from Prussia to an English speaking region of Australia; do you know if there are variations of the surname Rust? Are there shipping records - do you know the year of emigration? At this stage it is difficult to know which of the family stories will turn out to be 'reliable'. Have you also looked at NAA records http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/ResearcherScreen.asp and Aussie newspapers? http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home Kind regards, Bronwyn. On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Jackie <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > I am also new to this. I only found Prussian site earlier in the week and > havnt figured out how to find anything yet. How did you find my e-mail? > I > don't mind, I am trying to learn it as well. > Unfortunately I don't have any info on your people. They sound very > interesting, good luck on your research. I havnt been able to find anything > specific on the Prussian people, sorry. > > Jackie Lewis > Texas, USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John and Lyn > Baker > Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 10:21 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] RUST surname - ? Prussia > > Hi > > I am new to Prussian research and am looking for any information on > > Charles Francis Augustus Ferdinand Rust (anglicized) born c 1834. > > parents listed as Karl Franz Rust , (supposedly surgeon general to > Napoleon) > and Dorothea Sudas - names from his marriage certificate in Australia. > Karls > father was also meant to have been a surgeon in the army. > > He was a strange man and moved around frequently. He changed him name > often, > and is buried under John Rust. I only found him when I found the wife > dead. > He was a 4th year medical student and was meant to go into the army, but > did > not want to do this and escaped supposedly in a wine barrel. (Family letter > gives these details, unsure how much is fact). Charles was a chemist in > Victoria. > > Any suggestions gratefully received. > > regards > Lyn Baker > Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >