Oh my Marti! What a great site you have provided for us! Robert~~ ------------ Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] village name > Hello, > > do you know the following link?: > > http://gov.genealogy.net/ > > There you find "Ortssuche". You can enter a name of a village or town. > It is also possible to enter only the beginning of a name. > > You can search on this site also for historical names of villages and > towns. > > Marit > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

What you need to help you find the closest church of that timeframe is an old plat map for the county. Or, preferrably, a detailed plat map for the township that your family lived in. Locate their farm or town that they lived in and then look for little crosses on the plat map that indicate churches. Where did your Ferdinand and Anna Moers settle? Kathy www.Kiva.org - loans that change lives. Change the world one loan at a time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Kapella" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Please help me find the link from Castlegardento Prussia > JB: If the church is still operating they will have the records; if not, > most denominations have an archive; why would they have attended a Swedish > church - unless, of course, it was the nearest one of their denomination? > Did I find Anna's maiden name to be "Yadea(u)? Certainly weren't many of > them around and it doesn't appear to be German. Have you tried following > up > on it? Sheila K. > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 1:24 PM, JB <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Again, thanks so much to everyone who has offered advice. >> >> - Debra, I am going to order copies of death certificates and look for >> birth city. >> - Joel, I will pursue church records if I can find a/the church they >> attended. >> - Sandy, Are you from Stronghurst? I found records on Castlegarden, but >> I >> am trying to tie them back to 'West Prussia' which appears in the 1920 >> census. Do you have a url for the Prussian site you refer to? >> - Kathy, I have subscribed to Dvhh's mailing list. >> - Sheila, the church records I know about are the well organized and >> indexed Swedish church records. Is there a central repository for US >> church >> records or must on seek out records from individual churches? >> >> Regards to all, JB >>

What year was your August Knopp born? On ancestry.com there's an Aug Knop (b. abt 1856) on the Donau. It sailed from Bremen, Germany and landed in New York on 10 Apr 1883. Kathy www.Kiva.org - loans that change lives. Change the world one loan at a time. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 1:55 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] village name >I have gotten the naturalization papers for my ggrandfather, August Knopp. > The name of the village that he was born in, is listed. Problem is that I > am not sure of the spelling. I believe it should be in what was West > Prussia > - his sisters census records say W Prussia. This document also says he > came into the US April of 1883. I have not been able to find him in > Ships > records. Anyway, this is as close as I can guess as to the spelling of > the > Village. Llotoro, Llotoio, Llotow, Leotow, The first letter could also be > an H - Hotow, Hotoio - the only letters I am sure of are the middle ones. > oto. I would guess that this village could now be part of Poland??? and > that the name has changed. Does anyone have any idea's how to figure > this > out. > Thanks > las > **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the > grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You may be able to find records (on CDROMs) through Stanley Frymark ([email protected]). I'm not certain what parish Zlotowo is/was in, but Stanley would know. It's also important to know what religion your family was - Catholic or Evangelical. Good luck, Karl von Loewe ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Village Name Message 2 LAS > Thanks for all the ideas - the name of the village is handwritten, I would > assume by the clerk of the court that filled out the naturalization papers > in Cleveland, OH. I have no idea how to make my computer use anything but > american letters. I have an old computer and don't know if that is even > possible??? I tried changing the first letter to Z, I then came up with > Zlottow - which is in what used to be Prussia but is now northern Poland. I'm > not sure how to find any records from there. > Thanks again > las > **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the > grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for all the ideas - the name of the village is handwritten, I would assume by the clerk of the court that filled out the naturalization papers in Cleveland, OH. I have no idea how to make my computer use anything but american letters. I have an old computer and don't know if that is even possible??? I tried changing the first letter to Z, I then came up with Zlottow - which is in what used to be Prussia but is now northern Poland. I'm not sure how to find any records from there. Thanks again las **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005)

> Here's my 2 cents worth. My husband is from Poland, but now an > American citizen. When I search for anything concerning his family, I > learned that it helps to use the Polish alphabet function on my > computer. For example: Klobukowski is Americanized version of my > husband's name. In Polish the letter L has a line through it and it > is pronounced as if it were a W. When I search for Klobukowski, I get > American references, but if I search for Kłobukowski get more > pertinent results in Polish. Perhaps LAS500 is reading the ł as a t. I don't know if these letter changes will show up correctly when this is published, but here's hoping. Alice Klobukowski (Polish would be Kłobukowska). > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:55:16 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] village name > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I have gotten the naturalization papers for my ggrandfather, August > Knopp. > The name of the village that he was born in, is listed. Problem is > that I > am not sure of the spelling. I believe it should be in what was West > Prussia > - his sisters census records say W Prussia. This document also says > he > came into the US April of 1883. I have not been able to find him in > Ships > records. Anyway, this is as close as I can guess as to the spelling > of the > Village. Llotoro, Llotoio, Llotow, Leotow, The first letter could > also be > an H - Hotow, Hotoio - the only letters I am sure of are the middle > ones. > oto. I would guess that this village could now be part of Poland??? > and > that the name has changed. Does anyone have any idea's how to figure > this > out. > Thanks > las

JB - I just hope you will take the time to learn about genealogy and the language and names and cultures and history before hunting all over the place on your computer for a particular family name. Everything is not on line (yet) and much of what is there is not accurate - so it will help you to know what is and what isn't so you can connect to your own line and not someone else's. You have probably figured out this is not an instant science (I've been doing it for 30 years), so patience helps, and proof is mandatory. There are a dozen or so books (those archaic things) which will help you enormously, as will joining a genealogical group including European resources wherever it may be, preferably one close enough to go to - plus one where your people settled in the US if that's a different place. Someone said you must find your European village in the US (or the Americas) and that is correct. If you would like a list of those books, let me know and I'll be glad to tell you. There are a gazillion places to look, just to name a few, besides churches, the courthouse, cemeteries, (including pet cemeteries) the English and German language newspapers, land records, tax and voting records, biographies of many kinds, the fraternal organizations and Turnvereins, the professional directories, schools and universities (yearbooks and special collections), city directories, local historical societies, neighborhood newspapers; NARA, Library of Congress, public libraries, prisons, orphanages (not just for orphans), workhouses, photo albums; and get Thode's Ger-Eng Genealogical Dictionary unless you are fluent in German, French, Latin, obsolete words and abbreviations - that has 90% of what you will need. There are many places to send queries - and they do work. There are lots of knowledgeable people people on this message board - and there are many, many message boards. You can look in the archives for each one - and work your way through _www.Cyndislist.com_ (http://www.Cyndislist.com) if you haven't already. There are exhaustive how-to's on _www.familysearch.org_ (http://www.familysearch.org) under the help menu. Everybody has to go through that learning curve, and it is fascinating, because you will learn about yourself in the process, so I hope you will enjoy your ride! Maureen Schoenky In a message dated 7/3/2009 12:52:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: JB: If the church is still operating they will have the records; if not, most denominations have an archive; why would they have attended a Swedish church - unless, of course, it was the nearest one of their denomination? Did I find Anna's maiden name to be "Yadea(u)? Certainly weren't many of them around and it doesn't appear to be German. Have you tried following up on it? Sheila K. On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 1:24 PM, JB <[email protected]> wrote: > Again, thanks so much to everyone who has offered advice. > > - Debra, I am going to order copies of death certificates and look for > birth city. > - Joel, I will pursue church records if I can find a/the church they > attended. > - Sandy, Are you from Stronghurst? I found records on Castlegarden, but I > am trying to tie them back to 'West Prussia' which appears in the 1920 > census. Do you have a url for the Prussian site you refer to? > - Kathy, I have subscribed to Dvhh's mailing list. > - Sheila, the church records I know about are the well organized and > indexed Swedish church records. Is there a central repository for US > church > records or must on seek out records from individual churches? > > Regards to all, JB > > > 1. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia (JB) > > 2. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > > (D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes) > > 3. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > > (Joel S. Russell) > > 4. www.castlegarden.org ([email protected]) > > 5. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > > ([email protected]) > > 6. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > > (Sheila Kapella) > > 7. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > > ([email protected]) > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:56:23 -0700 > > From: "D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes" <[email protected]> > > > > Do any of the documents from sources in the USA (death certificate, > > naturalization papers, etc.) give a town of origin, or even a town of > > previous residence in West Prussia? > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:15:26 -0400 > > From: "Joel S. Russell" <[email protected]> > > > I know I've said this on the list before, but you have to look at > > U.S. records to find them in Germany. The most reliable source I've > > found is in church records. Check the immigrants funeral record or > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:10:14 -0400 > > From: [email protected] > > > > Castlegarden is in New York.? It's where passengers came to immigrate > from > > other countries, not just Prussia or Germany, but all countries.? It's > > also kindof hard to find passengers on a ships list.? A person needs to > > know the exact spelling of a name and an approximate year of > immigration.? > > Also, in the census records from here, there may be a city listed where > > your ancestors are from.? Most times it's only the country.? Have you > been > > to castlegarden.org?? Have you done a search on Prussian site.? Are you > > sure your ancestors were from West Prussia? Prussia was desolved into > > three countries that I know of, Poland, Germany, and Russia.? > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:03:36 EDT > > From: [email protected] > > > > JB: I would contact the Dvhh.com group, they have some people that are > > from > > Germany and they also have books that they can look up the family name > > .Just re-put all the info you have again, and you should get something > > back. > > Kathy > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:29:59 -0500 > > From: Sheila Kapella <[email protected]> > > > > JB: The LDS microfilm is a photocopy of the actual manifest, the same > one > > as on Ancestry. The best place I have found for info on the exact place > > of > > origin has been in the US church records. One other mention I might make > > is > > following through on the records generated by the children of Ferdinand > > and > > Anna. Their marriage and death records often contain the info you are > > seeking. Every rock needs to be turned over. Sheila K. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585087x1201462804/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JulystepsfooterNO62)

Do a google search for Prussia.? There should be sites to go to for West Prussia. I'm from California. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: JB <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:24 am Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia Again, thanks so much to everyone who has offered advice. - Debra, I am going to order copies of death certificates and look for birth city. - Joel, I will pursue church records if I can find a/the church they attended. - Sandy, Are you from Stronghurst? I found records on Castlegarden, but I am trying to tie them back to 'West Prussia' which appears in the 1920 census. Do you have a url for the Prussian site you refer to? - Kathy, I have subscribed to Dvhh's mailing list. - Sheila, the church records I know about are the well organized and indexed Swedish church records. Is there a central repository for US church records or must on seek out records from individual churches? Regards to all, JB > 1. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia (JB) > 2. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > (D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes) > 3. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > (Joel S. Russell) > 4. www.castlegarden.org ([email protected]) > 5. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > ([email protected]) > 6. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > (Sheila Kapella) > 7. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > ([email protected]) > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:56:23 -0700 > From: "D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes" <[email protected]> > > Do any of the documents from sources in the USA (death certificate, > naturalization papers, etc.) give a town of origin, or even a town of > previous residence in West Prussia? > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:15:26 -0400 > From: "Joel S. Russell" <[email protected]> > I know I've said this on the list before, but you have to look at > U.S. records to find them in Germany. The most reliable source I've > found is in church records. Check the immigrants funeral record or > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Th u, 02 Jul 2009 15:10:14 -0400 > From: [email protected] > > Castlegarden is in New York.? It's where passengers came to immigrate from > other countries, not just Prussia or Germany, but all countries.? It's > also kindof hard to find passengers on a ships list.? A person needs to > know the exact spelling of a name and an approximate year of immigration.? > Also, in the census records from here, there may be a city listed where > your ancestors are from.? Most times it's only the country.? Have you been > to castlegarden.org?? Have you done a search on Prussian site.? Are you > sure your ancestors were from West Prussia? Prussia was desolved into > three countries that I know of, Poland, Germany, and Russia.? > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:03:36 EDT > From: [email protected] > > JB: I would contact the Dvhh.com group, they have some people that are > from > Germany and they also have books that they can look up the family name > .Just re-put all the info you have again, and you should get something > back. > Kathy > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:29:59 -0500 > From: Sheila Kapella <[email protected]> > > JB: The LDS microfilm is a photocopy of the actual manifest, the same one > as on Ancestry. The best place I have found for info on the exact place > of > origin has been in the US church records. One other mention I might make > is > following through on the records generated by the children of Ferdinand > and > Anna. Their marriage and death records often contain the info you are > seeking. Every rock needs to be turned over. Sheila K. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have gotten the naturalization papers for my ggrandfather, August Knopp. The name of the village that he was born in, is listed. Problem is that I am not sure of the spelling. I believe it should be in what was West Prussia - his sisters census records say W Prussia. This document also says he came into the US April of 1883. I have not been able to find him in Ships records. Anyway, this is as close as I can guess as to the spelling of the Village. Llotoro, Llotoio, Llotow, Leotow, The first letter could also be an H - Hotow, Hotoio - the only letters I am sure of are the middle ones. oto. I would guess that this village could now be part of Poland??? and that the name has changed. Does anyone have any idea's how to figure this out. Thanks las **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005)

JB: If the church is still operating they will have the records; if not, most denominations have an archive; why would they have attended a Swedish church - unless, of course, it was the nearest one of their denomination? Did I find Anna's maiden name to be "Yadea(u)? Certainly weren't many of them around and it doesn't appear to be German. Have you tried following up on it? Sheila K. On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 1:24 PM, JB <[email protected]> wrote: > Again, thanks so much to everyone who has offered advice. > > - Debra, I am going to order copies of death certificates and look for > birth city. > - Joel, I will pursue church records if I can find a/the church they > attended. > - Sandy, Are you from Stronghurst? I found records on Castlegarden, but I > am trying to tie them back to 'West Prussia' which appears in the 1920 > census. Do you have a url for the Prussian site you refer to? > - Kathy, I have subscribed to Dvhh's mailing list. > - Sheila, the church records I know about are the well organized and > indexed Swedish church records. Is there a central repository for US > church > records or must on seek out records from individual churches? > > Regards to all, JB > > > 1. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia (JB) > > 2. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > > (D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes) > > 3. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > > (Joel S. Russell) > > 4. www.castlegarden.org ([email protected]) > > 5. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > > ([email protected]) > > 6. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > > (Sheila Kapella) > > 7. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > > ([email protected]) > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:56:23 -0700 > > From: "D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes" <[email protected]> > > > > Do any of the documents from sources in the USA (death certificate, > > naturalization papers, etc.) give a town of origin, or even a town of > > previous residence in West Prussia? > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:15:26 -0400 > > From: "Joel S. Russell" <[email protected]> > > > I know I've said this on the list before, but you have to look at > > U.S. records to find them in Germany. The most reliable source I've > > found is in church records. Check the immigrants funeral record or > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:10:14 -0400 > > From: [email protected] > > > > Castlegarden is in New York.? It's where passengers came to immigrate > from > > other countries, not just Prussia or Germany, but all countries.? It's > > also kindof hard to find passengers on a ships list.? A person needs to > > know the exact spelling of a name and an approximate year of > immigration.? > > Also, in the census records from here, there may be a city listed where > > your ancestors are from.? Most times it's only the country.? Have you > been > > to castlegarden.org?? Have you done a search on Prussian site.? Are you > > sure your ancestors were from West Prussia? Prussia was desolved into > > three countries that I know of, Poland, Germany, and Russia.? > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:03:36 EDT > > From: [email protected] > > > > JB: I would contact the Dvhh.com group, they have some people that are > > from > > Germany and they also have books that they can look up the family name > > .Just re-put all the info you have again, and you should get something > > back. > > Kathy > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:29:59 -0500 > > From: Sheila Kapella <[email protected]> > > > > JB: The LDS microfilm is a photocopy of the actual manifest, the same > one > > as on Ancestry. The best place I have found for info on the exact place > > of > > origin has been in the US church records. One other mention I might make > > is > > following through on the records generated by the children of Ferdinand > > and > > Anna. Their marriage and death records often contain the info you are > > seeking. Every rock needs to be turned over. Sheila K. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Could it be Zlotow? I know off the top of my head that Zlotow is a city. > From: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:55:16 -0400 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] village name > > I have gotten the naturalization papers for my ggrandfather, August Knopp. > The name of the village that he was born in, is listed. Problem is that I > am not sure of the spelling. I believe it should be in what was West Prussia > - his sisters census records say W Prussia. This document also says he > came into the US April of 1883. I have not been able to find him in Ships > records. Anyway, this is as close as I can guess as to the spelling of the > Village. Llotoro, Llotoio, Llotow, Leotow, The first letter could also be > an H - Hotow, Hotoio - the only letters I am sure of are the middle ones. > oto. I would guess that this village could now be part of Poland??? and > that the name has changed. Does anyone have any idea's how to figure this > out. > Thanks > las > **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the > grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Again, thanks so much to everyone who has offered advice. - Debra, I am going to order copies of death certificates and look for birth city. - Joel, I will pursue church records if I can find a/the church they attended. - Sandy, Are you from Stronghurst? I found records on Castlegarden, but I am trying to tie them back to 'West Prussia' which appears in the 1920 census. Do you have a url for the Prussian site you refer to? - Kathy, I have subscribed to Dvhh's mailing list. - Sheila, the church records I know about are the well organized and indexed Swedish church records. Is there a central repository for US church records or must on seek out records from individual churches? Regards to all, JB > 1. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia (JB) > 2. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > (D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes) > 3. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > (Joel S. Russell) > 4. www.castlegarden.org ([email protected]) > 5. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > ([email protected]) > 6. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > (Sheila Kapella) > 7. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > ([email protected]) > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:56:23 -0700 > From: "D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes" <[email protected]> > > Do any of the documents from sources in the USA (death certificate, > naturalization papers, etc.) give a town of origin, or even a town of > previous residence in West Prussia? > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:15:26 -0400 > From: "Joel S. Russell" <[email protected]> > I know I've said this on the list before, but you have to look at > U.S. records to find them in Germany. The most reliable source I've > found is in church records. Check the immigrants funeral record or > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:10:14 -0400 > From: [email protected] > > Castlegarden is in New York.? It's where passengers came to immigrate from > other countries, not just Prussia or Germany, but all countries.? It's > also kindof hard to find passengers on a ships list.? A person needs to > know the exact spelling of a name and an approximate year of immigration.? > Also, in the census records from here, there may be a city listed where > your ancestors are from.? Most times it's only the country.? Have you been > to castlegarden.org?? Have you done a search on Prussian site.? Are you > sure your ancestors were from West Prussia? Prussia was desolved into > three countries that I know of, Poland, Germany, and Russia.? > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:03:36 EDT > From: [email protected] > > JB: I would contact the Dvhh.com group, they have some people that are > from > Germany and they also have books that they can look up the family name > .Just re-put all the info you have again, and you should get something > back. > Kathy > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:29:59 -0500 > From: Sheila Kapella <[email protected]> > > JB: The LDS microfilm is a photocopy of the actual manifest, the same one > as on Ancestry. The best place I have found for info on the exact place > of > origin has been in the US church records. One other mention I might make > is > following through on the records generated by the children of Ferdinand > and > Anna. Their marriage and death records often contain the info you are > seeking. Every rock needs to be turned over. Sheila K.

G'day JB, Sometimes several families from the same place migrated and settled in the same place. Are there other such families and do THEY have more detailed information about the place in Prussia from where they came? (Sometimes you have to work your way around the brick wall rather than smash through its centre!). Secondly, have you checked the church records in the new place of settlement? If they joined a Lutheran Church in America, you may well find that the church kept detailed information on new members of its congregation. Quite possibly these records will be in German. Finally, there's a set of German records that may be of use. Bremen was (and still is) a separate state in Germany. As such, your family would be non-citizens and if they were there for any length of time awaiting ship, your family may have registered their presence with the Bremen police. This type of record (Meldeprotokolle für Fremden ) was quite usual, not only in Germany, but also in other places such as Amsterdam etc where migrants congregated while awaiting ship. The records for Hamburg have been microfilmed by the LDS. http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=193218&disp=Meldeprotokolle+f%C3%BCr+Fremden+1868%2D &columns=*,0,0 These records give the full date and place of birth of the individual and that is how I managed to locate the place of birth of my Great Grandfather in Schleswig Holstein. I do not know whether the Bremen "Police Register of Transients" has survived (or were they also destroyed at the same time as the Bremen shipping records?), but it would certainly be worthwhile making enquiries of the Bremen Archives. My final point (which doesn't apply to Bremen owing to the destruction of the records during the 2nd World War) is that many people confine their search of migration records to the immigration records at the port of arrival and they neglect the emigration records at the port of departure. These are two different sets of records compiled for separate but related purposes. The country of immigration is concerned about whether the immigrant has sufficient financial resources so that they don't become a burden on the state; that they're not bringing in exotic diseases etc etc. As such they're not so interested in the specific location of the migrant's home. On the other hand, the country of emigration is concerned with questions such: Has he done his national service? Is he on the run from the law? Has he paid all his debts? etc etc. This means they are more interested in the specific location of the migrant's home town. Hope this helps. David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: JB To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Please help me find the link from Castlegardento Prussia Thanks to everyone for your comments and suggestions. I have copious info on Ferdinand and Anna's family here in the US. What I have not been able to find is where they were living in 'West Prussia.' Do you think the LDS microfiche might have more detail than just 'Germany' as Castlegarden and Ancestry have it? If so, I will pursue that path. Does anyone have a referal for a good professional German genealogist? Thanks again, JB ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 2:01 AM > 2. Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia (JB) > 3. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > (Sheila Kapella) > 4. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > (D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes) > 5. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > (Sheila Kapella) > 6. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegardento Prussia > (Kathy Hines) > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:23:17 -0500 > From: "JB" <[email protected]> > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Please help me find the link from > Castlegarden to Prussia > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > After a hint from the list that my Morse ancestors may have left West > Prussia with the surname Moers, I succeeded in locating them on the > Castlegarden website. > > First Last Occupation Age Sex Arrived Ship > Origin (Port) (Ctry) > FERDINAND MOERS LABORER 26 M 2 Dec 1881 RHEIN BREMEN & SOUTHAMPTON > GERMANY > ANNA MOERS WIFE 28 F 2 Dec 1881 RHEIN BREMEN & > SOUTHAMPTON GERMANY > AUGUSTE MOERS INFANT 7 m F 2 Dec 1881 RHEIN BREMEN & > SOUTHAMPTON GERMANY > > Is there enough information here to lead me back to the Moers' point of > departure in West Prussia? > > Thanks for any help you may be able to give, JB > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:57:53 -0500 > From: Sheila Kapella <[email protected]> > JB: You have enough information to obtain a copy of the microfilm from > the > LDS that would show the original ship manifest. Sometimes the > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:36:44 -0700 > From: "D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes" <[email protected]> > I have an ancestry.com subscription so I checked it for you, JB, and > the manifest only lists "Germany" as the place of origin. If you want > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:53:44 -0500 > From: "Kathy Hines" <[email protected]> > I agree with a previous post in this thread, look for obits and the church > (U.S.) records for this family. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:43 PM, JB <[email protected]> wrote: > Does anyone have a > referal for a good professional German genealogist? > Thanks again, JB Yes! Don WATSON posts on the Bavaria list as well- here is a URL from his tutorial http://members.cox.net/hessen/learninggerman.htm Go to the home page to find more about Prof. Don WATSON, who is fluent in German and English and MOST knowledgeable on German record searches, geography, etc. Don's been doing on-line German genealogy for as long as I can remember- 1997 and beyond. > > > > > After a hint from the list that my Morse ancestors may have left West > > Prussia with the surname Moers, I succeeded in locating them on the > > Castlegarden website. > > > > First Last Occupation Age Sex Arrived Ship > > Origin (Port) (Ctry) > > FERDINAND MOERS LABORER 26 M 2 Dec 1881 RHEIN BREMEN & SOUTHAMPTON > > GERMANY > > ANNA MOERS WIFE 28 F 2 Dec 1881 RHEIN BREMEN & > > SOUTHAMPTON GERMANY > > AUGUSTE MOERS INFANT 7 m F 2 Dec 1881 RHEIN BREMEN & > > SOUTHAMPTON GERMANY > > > > Is there enough information here to lead me back to the Moers' point of > > departure in West Prussia? > > > > Thanks for any help you may be able to give, JB > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

try castlegarden.org -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:03 pm Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia JB: I would contact the Dvhh.com group, they have some people that are from Germany and they also have books that they can look up the family name Just re-put all the info you have again, and you should get something back. athy n a message dated 7/2/2009 2:50:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Thanks to everyone for your comments and suggestions. I have copious info n Ferdinand and Anna's family here in the US. What I have not been able o ind is where they were living in 'West Prussia.' Do you think the LDS icrofiche might have more detail than just 'Germany' as Castlegarden and ncestry have it? If so, I will pursue that path. Does anyone have a eferal for a good professional German genealogist? hanks again, JB ----- Original Message ----- rom: <[email protected]> o: <[email protected]> ent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 2:01 AM 2. Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia (JB) 3. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia (Sheila Kapella) 4. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia (D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes) 5. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden20to Prussia (Sheila Kapella) 6. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegardento Prussia (Kathy Hines) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:23:17 -0500 From: "JB" <[email protected]> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" After a hint from the list that my Morse ancestors may have left West Prussia with the surname Moers, I succeeded in locating them on the Castlegarden website. First Last Occupation Age Sex Arrived Ship Origin (Port) (Ctry) FERDINAND MOERS LABORER 26 M 2 Dec 1881 RHEIN BREMEN & SOUTHAMPTON GERMANY ANNA MOERS WIFE 28 F 2 Dec 1881 RHEIN BREMEN & SOUTHAMPTON GERMANY AUGUSTE MOERS INFANT 7 m F 2 Dec 1881 RHEIN BREMEN & SOUTHAMPTON GERMANY Is there enough information here to lead me back to the Moers' point of departure in West Prussia? Thanks for any help you may be able to give, JB ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:57:53 -0500 From: Sheila Kapella <[email protected]> JB: You have enough information to obtain a copy of the microfilm from the LDS that would show the original=2 0ship manifest. Sometimes the > Message: 4 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:36:44 -0700 From: "D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes" <[email protected]> I have an ancestry.com subscription so I checked it for you, JB, and the manifest only lists "Germany" as the place of origin. If you want > Message: 6 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:53:44 -0500 From: "Kathy Hines" <[email protected]> I agree with a previous post in this thread, look for obits and the hurch (U.S.) records for this family. ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the uotes in the ubject and the body of the message *************Dell Summer Savings: Cool Deals on Popular Laptops – Shop ow! http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222696924x1201468348/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D1) ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

JB: I would contact the Dvhh.com group, they have some people that are from Germany and they also have books that they can look up the family name .Just re-put all the info you have again, and you should get something back. Kathy In a message dated 7/2/2009 2:50:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Thanks to everyone for your comments and suggestions. I have copious info on Ferdinand and Anna's family here in the US. What I have not been able to find is where they were living in 'West Prussia.' Do you think the LDS microfiche might have more detail than just 'Germany' as Castlegarden and Ancestry have it? If so, I will pursue that path. Does anyone have a referal for a good professional German genealogist? Thanks again, JB ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 2:01 AM > 2. Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia (JB) > 3. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > (Sheila Kapella) > 4. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > (D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes) > 5. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > (Sheila Kapella) > 6. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegardento Prussia > (Kathy Hines) > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:23:17 -0500 > From: "JB" <[email protected]> > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Please help me find the link from > Castlegarden to Prussia > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > After a hint from the list that my Morse ancestors may have left West > Prussia with the surname Moers, I succeeded in locating them on the > Castlegarden website. > > First Last Occupation Age Sex Arrived Ship > Origin (Port) (Ctry) > FERDINAND MOERS LABORER 26 M 2 Dec 1881 RHEIN BREMEN & SOUTHAMPTON > GERMANY > ANNA MOERS WIFE 28 F 2 Dec 1881 RHEIN BREMEN & > SOUTHAMPTON GERMANY > AUGUSTE MOERS INFANT 7 m F 2 Dec 1881 RHEIN BREMEN & > SOUTHAMPTON GERMANY > > Is there enough information here to lead me back to the Moers' point of > departure in West Prussia? > > Thanks for any help you may be able to give, JB > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:57:53 -0500 > From: Sheila Kapella <[email protected]> > JB: You have enough information to obtain a copy of the microfilm from > the > LDS that would show the original ship manifest. Sometimes the > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:36:44 -0700 > From: "D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes" <[email protected]> > I have an ancestry.com subscription so I checked it for you, JB, and > the manifest only lists "Germany" as the place of origin. If you want > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:53:44 -0500 > From: "Kathy Hines" <[email protected]> > I agree with a previous post in this thread, look for obits and the church > (U.S.) records for this family. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Dell Summer Savings: Cool Deals on Popular Laptops – Shop Now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222696924x1201468348/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D1)

JB: The LDS microfilm is a photocopy of the actual manifest, the same one as on Ancestry. The best place I have found for info on the exact place of origin has been in the US church records. One other mention I might make is following through on the records generated by the children of Ferdinand and Anna. Their marriage and death records often contain the info you are seeking. Every rock needs to be turned over. Sheila K. On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 1:43 PM, JB <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks to everyone for your comments and suggestions. I have copious info > on Ferdinand and Anna's family here in the US. What I have not been able > to > find is where they were living in 'West Prussia.' Do you think the LDS > microfiche might have more detail than just 'Germany' as Castlegarden and > Ancestry have it? If so, I will pursue that path. Does anyone have a > referal for a good professional German genealogist? > Thanks again, JB > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 2:01 AM > > 2. Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia (JB) > > 3. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > > (Sheila Kapella) > > 4. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > > (D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes) > > 5. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia > > (Sheila Kapella) > > 6. Re: Please help me find the link from Castlegardento Prussia > > (Kathy Hines) > > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:23:17 -0500 > > From: "JB" <[email protected]> > > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Please help me find the link from > > Castlegarden to Prussia > > To: <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > After a hint from the list that my Morse ancestors may have left West > > Prussia with the surname Moers, I succeeded in locating them on the > > Castlegarden website. > > > > First Last Occupation Age Sex Arrived Ship > > Origin (Port) (Ctry) > > FERDINAND MOERS LABORER 26 M 2 Dec 1881 RHEIN BREMEN & SOUTHAMPTON > > GERMANY > > ANNA MOERS WIFE 28 F 2 Dec 1881 RHEIN BREMEN & > > SOUTHAMPTON GERMANY > > AUGUSTE MOERS INFANT 7 m F 2 Dec 1881 RHEIN BREMEN & > > SOUTHAMPTON GERMANY > > > > Is there enough information here to lead me back to the Moers' point of > > departure in West Prussia? > > > > Thanks for any help you may be able to give, JB > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:57:53 -0500 > > From: Sheila Kapella <[email protected]> > > JB: You have enough information to obtain a copy of the microfilm from > > the > > LDS that would show the original ship manifest. Sometimes the > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:36:44 -0700 > > From: "D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes" <[email protected]> > > I have an ancestry.com subscription so I checked it for you, JB, and > > the manifest only lists "Germany" as the place of origin. If you want > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:53:44 -0500 > > From: "Kathy Hines" <[email protected]> > > I agree with a previous post in this thread, look for obits and the > church > > (U.S.) records for this family. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I know I've said this on the list before, but you have to look at U.S. records to find them in Germany. The most reliable source I've found is in church records. Check the immigrants funeral record or the baptism/marriage records of their children. Church burial records sometimes contain an amazing amount of information, often written more like an obituary. The following is common in the funeral records of the church in Illinois that my ancestors attended. I've not found this church to be unique in this regard. "April 5th, 1913 Maria Schwier, born November 20th, 1829 in Hille, Prussia, daughter of Friedr. Burmeister and Maria Horstmann. At age 21 she married Carl Husemann with whom she lived 7 years and had 3 children of which, 1 son, is still alive. In 1863 she came to her brother Heinrich Burmeisters in Horse Prairie. On February 4th, 1864 she married Ernst Nagel with whom she had 1 son, August, who is still alive. 3 years and 2 months later her husband died. She remained a widow for 6 months and then married Friedrich Schwier who after 35 years, 1 month of married life preceded her in death. She died April 3rd, 1911 and was buried on the 5th. Age 81 years, 4 months, 4 days." Joel http://www.rafert.org/home >On Jul 2, 2009, at 11:43 AM, JB wrote: > > > Thanks to everyone for your comments and suggestions. I have > > copious info > > on Ferdinand and Anna's family here in the US. What I have not been > > able to > > find is where they were living in 'West Prussia.' Do you think the > > LDS > > microfiche might have more detail than just 'Germany' as > > Castlegarden and > > Ancestry have it? If so, I will pursue that path. Does anyone have a > > referal for a good professional German genealogist?

Castlegarden is in New York.? It's where passengers came to immigrate from other countries, not just Prussia or Germany, but all countries.? It's also kindof hard to find passengers on a ships list.? A person needs to know the exact spelling of a name and an approximate year of immigration.? Also, in the census records from here, there may be a city listed where your ancestors are from.? Most times it's only the country.? Have you been to castlegarden.org?? Have you done a search on Prussian site.? Are you sure your ancestors were from West Prussia? Prussia was desolved into three countries that I know of, Poland, Germany, and Russia.? I hope this is of some help Sandy Harp [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: D.L. MacLaughlan-Dumes <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, Jul 2, 2009 11:56 am Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Please help me find the link from Castlegarden to Prussia On Jul 2, 2009, at 11:43 AM, JB wrote: > Thanks to everyone for your comments and suggestions. I have > copious info > on Ferdinand and Anna's family here in the US. What I have not been > able to > find is where they were living in 'West Prussia.' Do you think the > LDS > microfiche might have more detail than just 'Germany' as > Castlegarden and > Ancestry have it? If so, I will pursue that path. Does anyone have a > referal for a good professional German genealogist? Before you can look at microfilm or hire a genealogist, you'll still need to find out where in West Prussia you need to look. The area is too large to search with no clue where to start. Do any of the documents from sources in the USA (death certificate, naturalization papers, etc.) give a town of origin, or even a town of previous residence in West Prussia? Regards, Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes http://sakionline.net/familypage ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've only half paid attention to this thread so I'm not sure if this suggestion has been posted before, but just in case it hasn't. . . It seems to me that the Bremen departure lists are now online or coming online. Have you checked this out? Also, you don't need to know the exact spelling to search the Castle Garden lists. Start at Steve Morse's site at http://stevemorse.org/ and select the line that starts with Castle Garden Passengers (without the leading $). And lastly, why do you believe they were from Prussia? It was not unusual for people from all over what we now call Germany and Poland and some fringe areas to state they were from Prussia. Why? Because 1) the area was under Prussian rule at the time they came, or 2) what we call Germany didn't exist when they came and there was a period when most Americans had heard of Prussia but did not know the entity (Baden, Wuerttemburg, Bavaria, etc) where the person had actually come from). If it was under Prussian rule for a time such as the Palatine, you won't find much looking in traditional Prussian locations. This may not apply to you, but I guarantee there are members of this list who should be looking elsewhere for their "Prussian" ancestors. If there's a tidbit in this post, good. If not, just read it as more hot air from another lister. Paul from Portland, Oregon