I was reading an article on naming patterns that some Germans followed. I should have thought to ask this earlier. When you did have Germans that followed naming patterns, had that "Saint" first name and then the middle was the name they were called by, when it came to BMD records, how were their names written? Did BMD records list the person by both names or by the name they were called? Many thanks. Morgan EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me

G'day everyone, The following link was circulated on the Schleswig-Holstein list recently. Hopefully the changes in access to the Civil Registration records will help many of us. David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia Germany Privacy Law changed......... https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Germany_Civil_Registration

There's a similar group for Schlesien research: [email protected] Best of luck. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pat Peters Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 5:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] (no subject) How do you access records from Schlesien? Thanks Doug Peters [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How would I list a search for place or area of Boguslawa, Roschichtsche today? Thanks. Carol

How do you access records from Schlesien? Thanks Doug Peters [email protected]

Thank you very much for all your help George. Delores -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Georgia Kramer-Hinske Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] PRUSSIA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 151 Delores Brown, LDS Library has mircofilm copies of these church records. You can have a copy sent to your local Family History Center for you to go and view and print out a copy of the record. The cost is usually around $5.50-6.00 per film. Evangelische Kirche Groß Dübsow (Kr. Stolp) Film# 559843 has birth records for 1831-1864 Film#559844 has birth records for 1864-1925 Film #559845 has birth records for 1925-1945 AND marriage records for 1831-1945 Check the website www.familysearch.org to find the Center nearest you and where to call to request the films. The index lists Max Heinrich Johann Varsbotter b. 20 Apr 1871, christening 07 May 1871 with father: Rudolf Theodor Varsbotter mother: Auguste Lawrenz The copy of this record would be on film #559844 It may also list the father or mothers hometown, ages, godparents their hometown, other siblings and their ages, etc. It may also list August's birth even if its not listed in the index. If his parents are from the same hometown, the marriage records may list their marriage, parents names, their ages at time of marriage, witnesses, and their place of birth. If after, looking at these records you do not find August and want his birth record specifically, you can check the neighboring parishes of Lupow and Budow. Here is a Google map link so you can see where this town is located. http://maps.google.com/?q=54.37,+17.28+(GrossD%22ubsow)&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=54.365158,17.30278&spn=0.095212,0.233459&z=12 Its now known as: Dobieszewo, Poland, just 19 miles SE of Slupsk. Congrats on finding a town name and I hope this helps. Happy Hunting! Georgia Hinske > From: [email protected] > Subject: PRUSSIA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 151 > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 01:01:15 -0600 > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:44:59 -0700 > From: "Delores Brown" <[email protected]> > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] prussia > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Morning, Finally I have found one person from my grandfathers side of > the Varsbotter line, his older brother, I have the date he was born and > christening, he was inh Gross Duebsow, I would like to find out where I > go from here, his name was max heinrich johann varsbotter my grandfather > was august , any suggestions where I go from here? Thanks to all. > Delores > > > _________________________________________________________________ NEW mobile Hotmail. Optimized for YOUR phone. Click here. http://windowslive.com/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_MB_new_hotmail_072009 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Delores Brown, LDS Library has mircofilm copies of these church records. You can have a copy sent to your local Family History Center for you to go and view and print out a copy of the record. The cost is usually around $5.50-6.00 per film. Evangelische Kirche Groß Dübsow (Kr. Stolp) Film# 559843 has birth records for 1831-1864 Film#559844 has birth records for 1864-1925 Film #559845 has birth records for 1925-1945 AND marriage records for 1831-1945 Check the website www.familysearch.org to find the Center nearest you and where to call to request the films. The index lists Max Heinrich Johann Varsbotter b. 20 Apr 1871, christening 07 May 1871 with father: Rudolf Theodor Varsbotter mother: Auguste Lawrenz The copy of this record would be on film #559844 It may also list the father or mothers hometown, ages, godparents their hometown, other siblings and their ages, etc. It may also list August's birth even if its not listed in the index. If his parents are from the same hometown, the marriage records may list their marriage, parents names, their ages at time of marriage, witnesses, and their place of birth. If after, looking at these records you do not find August and want his birth record specifically, you can check the neighboring parishes of Lupow and Budow. Here is a Google map link so you can see where this town is located. http://maps.google.com/?q=54.37,+17.28+(GrossD%22ubsow)&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=54.365158,17.30278&spn=0.095212,0.233459&z=12 Its now known as: Dobieszewo, Poland, just 19 miles SE of Slupsk. Congrats on finding a town name and I hope this helps. Happy Hunting! Georgia Hinske > From: [email protected] > Subject: PRUSSIA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 151 > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 01:01:15 -0600 > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:44:59 -0700 > From: "Delores Brown" <[email protected]> > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] prussia > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Morning, Finally I have found one person from my grandfathers side of > the Varsbotter line, his older brother, I have the date he was born and > christening, he was inh Gross Duebsow, I would like to find out where I > go from here, his name was max heinrich johann varsbotter my grandfather > was august , any suggestions where I go from here? Thanks to all. > Delores > > > _________________________________________________________________ NEW mobile Hotmail. Optimized for YOUR phone. Click here. http://windowslive.com/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_MB_new_hotmail_072009

Hello Delores, please try this link: http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/PG/service/daten/gross-duebsow.htm You can find there 3 lists of names, which a genealogist found in church books of Gross Duebsow: - surnames in death register 1892-1945 - surnames in death register 1863-1891 - surnames of konfirmands 1832-1906 and 1924-1943 Your surname "Varsbotter" you can also find there. You can also find the email-address of the researcher, who provided that list. I think, you can write him. It is possible, that he found more informations about your ancestors. Marit Message: 1 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:44:59 -0700 From: "Delores Brown" <[email protected]> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] prussia To: <[email protected] style="margin:0px;"> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Morning, Finally I have found  one person from my grandfathers side of the Varsbotter line, his older brother, I have the date he was born and christening, he was inh Gross Duebsow, I would like to find out where I go from here, his name was max heinrich johann varsbotter my grandfather was august , any suggestions where I go from here? Thanks to all. Delores

Delores in the batch numbers are -------------------------------------------------------------------------- RICHARD RUDOLPH REINHOLD VARSBOTTER Pedigree Male -------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 21 FEB 1860 Christening: 04 MAR 1860 Gross Duebsow, Pommern, Preussen Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: AUGUST VARSBOTTER Family Mother: CHARLOTTE KLATT -------------------------------------------------------------------------- AND MAX HEINRICH JOHANN VARSBOTTER Pedigree Male -------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 20 APR 1871 Christening: 07 MAY 1871 Gross Duebsow, Pommern, Preussen Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: RUDOLF THEODOR VARSBOTTER Family Mother: AUGUSTE LAWRENZ This may help Karl Roussin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delores Brown" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:44 AM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] prussia > Morning, Finally I have found one person from my grandfathers side of > the Varsbotter line, his older brother, I have the date he was born and > christening, he was inh Gross Duebsow, I would like to find out where I > go from here, his name was max heinrich johann varsbotter my grandfather > was august , any suggestions where I go from here? Thanks to all. > Delores > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Delores Check out the IGI , and Roots Web at Check out http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp or http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ I found an August Varsbotter in the first of these two sites , however You did not enter any dates of the persons , so I am not sure , if They are the right records. Karl Roussin ============================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delores Brown" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:44 AM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] prussia > Morning, Finally I have found one person from my grandfathers side of > the Varsbotter line, his older brother, I have the date he was born and > christening, he was inh Gross Duebsow, I would like to find out where I > go from here, his name was max heinrich johann varsbotter my grandfather > was august , any suggestions where I go from here? Thanks to all. > Delores > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Delores, that's a place not so very far from Danzig (Gdansk) in Pommerania. Nowadays it's part of Poland. Here is a page of the German Wikipedia where you can find a map and the actual placenames. Sorry, it's in German. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gro%C3%9F_D%C3%BCbsow Good luck! Brigitte --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Delores Brown <[email protected]> wrote: From: Delores Brown <[email protected]> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] prussia To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 9:44 AM Morning, Finally I have found  one person from my grandfathers side of the Varsbotter line, his older brother, I have the date he was born and christening, he was inh Gross Duebsow, I would like to find out where I go from here, his name was max heinrich johann varsbotter my grandfather was august , any suggestions where I go from here? Thanks to all. Delores ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Morning, Finally I have found one person from my grandfathers side of the Varsbotter line, his older brother, I have the date he was born and christening, he was inh Gross Duebsow, I would like to find out where I go from here, his name was max heinrich johann varsbotter my grandfather was august , any suggestions where I go from here? Thanks to all. Delores

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In case anyone didn't know.......If you click on the batch number in the IGI, it brings it up in a search box, and then you can search the batch number for all extractions from the film that the record was extracted from. > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:48:41 -0500 > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Surname: Wishman or Wischmann > > Glen > The following record is in the IGI , with Their ages , and with the batch > number , and Hermann's parents names. > Note the spelling of Helene's surname. > Karl Roussin > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > HERMANN WISCHMANN Pedigree > Male Family > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Event(s): > Birth: > Christening: > Death: > Burial: > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Parents: > Father: WILHELM WISCHMANN Family > Mother: ANNA RATING > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Marriages: > Spouse: HELENE KNIPSCHEN Family > Marriage: 11 APR 1864 Evangelisch, Muelheim An Der Ruhr, > Rheinland, Preussen > > Husband Age at Marriage: 29 > Wife Age at Marriage: 24 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Messages: > Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The > source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Source Information: > Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: > Type: > > M955548 1863 - 1872 0490229 Film NONE > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glen Frederick" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 1:48 AM > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Surname: Wishman or Wischmann > > > > Hopefully someone can tell me about a town called "Muelheim An Der Ruhr". > > The name I am researching at the moment is Wischmann. My great-great > > grandparents, Herman Wischmann and Helene Knipscher were married there 11 > > April 1864. There are other Wischmann names from the same town. The > > church > > was Evangelical. How would I research this name in that area? Any help > > or > > information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much. > > > > > > > > Glen A Frederick > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Glen The following record is in the IGI , with Their ages , and with the batch number , and Hermann's parents names. Note the spelling of Helene's surname. Karl Roussin -------------------------------------------------------------------------- HERMANN WISCHMANN Pedigree Male Family -------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: WILHELM WISCHMANN Family Mother: ANNA RATING -------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: HELENE KNIPSCHEN Family Marriage: 11 APR 1864 Evangelisch, Muelheim An Der Ruhr, Rheinland, Preussen Husband Age at Marriage: 29 Wife Age at Marriage: 24 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: M955548 1863 - 1872 0490229 Film NONE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Frederick" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 1:48 AM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Surname: Wishman or Wischmann > Hopefully someone can tell me about a town called "Muelheim An Der Ruhr". > The name I am researching at the moment is Wischmann. My great-great > grandparents, Herman Wischmann and Helene Knipscher were married there 11 > April 1864. There are other Wischmann names from the same town. The > church > was Evangelical. How would I research this name in that area? Any help > or > information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much. > > > > Glen A Frederick > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://familysearch.org http://members.cox.net/hessen/hsstory.htm :-) Don Watson ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glen Frederick" <[email protected]> Hopefully someone can tell me about a town called "Muelheim An Der Ruhr". The name I am researching at the moment is Wischmann. My great-great grandparents, Herman Wischmann and Helene Knipscher were married there 11 April 1864. There are other Wischmann names from the same town. The church was Evangelical. How would I research this name in that area? Any help or information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much.

Looking at FamilySearch.org data, this appears to be where your information came from. Checking out the source, I'd say this data was extracted from FHL INTL Film 490229 described as Heiraten 1863-1872 (Marriages 1863-1872). This means it's practically handed to you on a silver platter, i.e. which church books to look in for more information. My suggestion is that you get the film and read the full entry and also note the name of the church. The general description of the film series is Kirchenbuch, 1610-1874 (Parish Book 1610 to 1874) and includes 40 films in the series. That's means it was a populous parish--most of the churches I've looked at have one to three films. You have a treasure trove to mine but it will take work. You can also do some research by looking at extractions from the same parish books with the Wischmann and other relevant surnames. For example, in the same batch with Hermann an Helene's marriage, you can find the marriages of: 1. HERMANN WISCHMANN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 11 APR 1864 Evangelisch, Muelheim An Der Ruhr, Rheinland, Preussen 2. JOHANN WISCHMANN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 06 OCT 1868 Evangelisch, Muelheim An Der Ruhr, Rheinland, Preussen 3. ANNA WISCHMANN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Marriage: 06 OCT 1868 Evangelisch, Muelheim An Der Ruhr, Rheinland, Preussen 4. JOHANN WISCHMANN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 17 DEC 1870 Evangelisch, Muelheim An Der Ruhr, Rheinland, Preussen 5. HERMANN WISCHMANN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 26 JAN 1868 Evangelisch, Muelheim An Der Ruhr, Rheinland, Preussen 6. CHRISTINE WISCHMANN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Marriage: 11 JUN 1869 Evangelisch, Muelheim An Der Ruhr, Rheinland, Preussen 7. MARGARETHA WISCHMANN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Marriage: 11 JUL 1868 Evangelisch, Muelheim An Der Ruhr, Rheinland, Preussen 8. CATHARINE WISCHMANN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Marriage: 16 DEC 1865 Evangelisch, Muelheim An Der Ruhr, Rheinland, Preussen By checking out each one, you will be able to see which ones have the same parents as Hermann. I checked them out, and none have same parents. A few have fathers named Wilhelm, though. In FamilySearch.org, Helene's surname is given as Knipschen while you give it as Knipscher. Helene is the only person in the batch with the surname Knipschen and it looks like she was born in Speldorf which is 1.5 miles west of Muelheim an der Ruhr. I don't see any films for Speldorf. From its website at speldorf.de I'd say it's part of the municipality of Muelheim an der Ruhr. If it's a tiny place, she could have attended church (and been christened) in a nearby town. There are no lisitings for Knipschen in the online Germany phone book but there are a few (8) for Knipscher. Is your data coming from FamilySearch.org or some other source? Again, I suggest you get a look at the actual marriage entry and determine for yourself what Helene's surname is. Also, what was her father's given name? It's shown in FamilySearch.org as Knipschen!! It looks to me like the extraction was flawed or that the mother, Elise Knipschen was a widow or that Helene was illegitimate. Seeing the entry could be very helpful. The listing in FamilySearch.org shows Hermann's parents: Father: WILHELM WISCHMANN Mother: ANNA RATING It also shows Hermann's and Helene's age at marriage to be 29 and 24 suggesting birth years of 1835 and 1840 respectively. Using these years, plus or minus 2 years, I couldn't find births for either one. BTW, there are 9 entries for people with surname RATING in the same extraction batch. I apologize if you already know all of this. Regards, Paul near Portland, Oregon -------------------------------------------------- From: "Glen Frederick" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:48 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Surname: Wishman or Wischmann > Hopefully someone can tell me about a town called "Muelheim An Der Ruhr". > The name I am researching at the moment is Wischmann. My great-great > grandparents, Herman Wischmann and Helene Knipscher were married there 11 > April 1864. There are other Wischmann names from the same town. The > church > was Evangelical. How would I research this name in that area? Any help > or > information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much. > > > > Glen A Frederick

Hi Glen, I don't know what you already know so some to most of this may be a review for you. For the town's website, go to muelheim-ruhr.de At the bottom of the page you can select English. It appears, however, that the English section is only a static summary of the site. There is a very short Wikipedia piece on the city at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BClheim This area was part of Prussia for a relatively brief period. I suggest you look for a more appropriate list than the Prussia list. Your city is in the modern German province of North Rhine Westphalia so you might try the Nordrhein-Westfalen list. Go to: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/NORDRHEIN-WESTFALEN.html The city's population is about 170,000 so there are going to be several Lutheran churches. You'll need to figure out which ones were in existence in 1864. The LDS FH Library has films for several Lutheran churches in the city. Since you have a date, if you were in Salt Lake City it wouldn't take long to check them all and find which church. Alternately, you can rent the films one by one and have them sent to your local FH Center. From you question, you may already know these details. I hesitate to give you more information since you may already know all of this. That's a start. Regards, Paul near Portland, Oregon -------------------------------------------------- From: "Glen Frederick" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:48 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Surname: Wishman or Wischmann > Hopefully someone can tell me about a town called "Muelheim An Der Ruhr". > The name I am researching at the moment is Wischmann. My great-great > grandparents, Herman Wischmann and Helene Knipscher were married there 11 > April 1864. There are other Wischmann names from the same town. The > church > was Evangelical. How would I research this name in that area? Any help > or > information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much. > > > > Glen A Frederick

Hopefully someone can tell me about a town called "Muelheim An Der Ruhr". The name I am researching at the moment is Wischmann. My great-great grandparents, Herman Wischmann and Helene Knipscher were married there 11 April 1864. There are other Wischmann names from the same town. The church was Evangelical. How would I research this name in that area? Any help or information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much. Glen A Frederick

Thanks Don! I especially liked your reality check on that webpage: "Q: Are all German archives online, including their census information? A: No. Regardless of where in Germany you want to research, there are no employees bustling back and forth between humming computers, laughing their way through a joyful day of answering inquiries about ancestry, from around the world. " Etc... Kind regards, Bronwyn. On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Don Watson <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > Several researchers have retired since I began this in 1993, but I have a > new list at........ > > http://members.cox.net/hessen/hsstory.htm > > which connects to another list, as well. > > If you are bashing your head against that proverbial brick wall, maybe > you'll want to contact one of these enthusiastic researchers living in > Germany. > > :-) > Don Watson > > ==== POSEN Mailing List ==== > === Some rules of the list: Be nice, stay on topic. > Visit our website at: > http://www.posen-l.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >