Hello Dori, do you think there is a family here of the Klatt's, I am going to try to find out more and will let you know if you would like. Delores -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dori Rhody Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 2:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] klatt My husband's gggrandmother's sister married Chriatian Klatt. Dori Delores Brown wrote: > Morning, Thanks to the many people who has helped me track my varsbotter > family I have found out my gggrandmother was named charlotte Klatt, any > one out there searching this name from Prussia? Thanks to all, Delores > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.43/2281 - Release Date: 08/04/09 05:57:00 > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Searching for a soldier from Germany not knowing from which town. Could be Herford. Johannes Chistoffel BREDENKAMP/BREITENKAMP went to South Africa between 1760-1770 not sure.about it. Johannes Chistoffel BREDENKAMP/BREITENKAMP was c Lutheran Church in 1739. Any help would be appreciated. Doing a worldwide research of the BREDENKAMP and BREITENKAMP. Any info about your family will be appreciate Marthie Bredenkamp [email protected] from South Africa

Searching for a soldier from Germany not sure from which town. Could be Lippstadt. Peter Henrich HENNING went to South Africa with the ship De Vrouwe Petronella between 1760-1770. They said he was a tabacco dealer. He was married with a wife and son in Germany. What happen to them and who was his mother, brothers and sister. What happen to them. Any help would be appreciated. Marthie Bredenkamp [email protected] from South Africa

Don, your research links are awesome! Thanks, Patsy Hand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Watson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 10:13 AM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Research Prussian Roots > Check out........ > > http://members.cox.net/hessen/16states.htm > > and > > http://members.cox.net/hessen/hsstory.htm > > :-) > Don Watson > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Check out........ http://members.cox.net/hessen/16states.htm and http://members.cox.net/hessen/hsstory.htm :-) Don Watson

Marlene, You should probably check for other spellings of the surname. This spelling, "Hakey" does not appear to be of German origin. Maybe "Hake"? Also Jacob with an "s" at end seems odd. Listers, please correct me if I am wrong. Veronica > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:54:47 -0500 > From: Marlene <[email protected]> > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Hakey > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > I am searching for Jacobs Hakey, He > Was Born Prussia Germany in 1787 > Went to Stanbridge, Missisquoi, Quebec, Canada > Married Elizabeth,Last name unknown. Born 1802 Canada > He had 5 sons born in Canada. > Jacobs died Feb. 05, 1867 > If. Anyone has any info, please let me know so I can get on with > finding Jacobs place of birth. >

Lawrenze? Varsbotter? that would be Ostfriesland region. Lawrenze might as well be name of August's father. The region is somewhat Dutch rather than German when it come to the custom of naming. David Samuelsen Delores Brown wrote: > Hello Dorthy, Thank you for answering, I just found out the name Klatt, > my understanding is charlotte married my ggrandfather, his name was > August Varsbotter from the place in Prussia, my grandfather also was > August and my grandmother was Auguste Lawrenze Varsbotter, I plan on > going out to the family history center to check more, if you would like > I will leta you know what I find out. Delores

Hello Dorthy, Thank you for answering, I just found out the name Klatt, my understanding is charlotte married my ggrandfather, his name was August Varsbotter from the place in Prussia, my grandfather also was August and my grandmother was Auguste Lawrenze Varsbotter, I plan on going out to the family history center to check more, if you would like I will leta you know what I find out. Delores -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dorothy Wiener Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] klatt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delores Brown" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] klatt > Morning, Thanks to the many people who has helped me track my varsbotter > family I have found out my gggrandmother was named charlotte Klatt, any > one out there searching this name from Prussia? Thanks to all, Delores > > >My husbands family Klatt came fromPosin, Prussia, Gottfried Klatt from >Posen, Prussia had Jacob Klatt born 6 July 1829 in Langenau Dei Danag, WIL, >Prussia. He married Anna Klawitter ,b.10 August 1829 in Posen Prussia.> - Is there a connection? Dorothy Wiener ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Delores Brown" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] klatt > Morning, Thanks to the many people who has helped me track my varsbotter > family I have found out my gggrandmother was named charlotte Klatt, any > one out there searching this name from Prussia? Thanks to all, Delores > > >My husbands family Klatt came fromPosin, Prussia, Gottfried Klatt from >Posen, Prussia had Jacob Klatt born 6 July 1829 in Langenau Dei Danag, WIL, >Prussia. He married Anna Klawitter ,b.10 August 1829 in Posen Prussia.> - Is there a connection? Dorothy Wiener ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am searching for Jacobs Hakey, He Was Born Prussia Germany in 1787 Went to Stanbridge, Missisquoi, Quebec, Canada Married Elizabeth,Last name unknown. Born 1802 Canada He had 5 sons born in Canada. Jacobs died Feb. 05, 1867 If. Anyone has any info, please let me know so I can get on with finding Jacobs place of birth.

As soon as I saw the name WORMELL it reminded me of a famous Liverpool dignitary, Dame Ethel Wormald http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/obituary-dame-ethel-wormald-1475460.html Hope this helps Marged If you don't mind a little speculation, read on. You've got to figure out the surname before you can do much good researching German records. There are no listings in the online Germany phone book for Wormell. So what was the name? I searched the phone book with the "Show similar names" box checked. The only alternates that came up were Formel and Formell--16 of each as private listings, I.e. surnames. (Be careful because Formel means Formula in German so one must ignore commercial listings such as Formel 1 which I suspect has to do with automobile racing). Note that German letters V and F both sound like English F. It's not hard to see that, in what I believe is called a hyperurbanization of the English V to German W that the similar F got thrown in. Ignore that last sentence and just say Wormell and Formell and you can see how German Formell might have been changed to English Wormell if you know that W is pronounced like V in German. Would this be a backwards hyperurbanization? So much for my amateur linguistics knowledge. I went to Geogen (http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/en/Default.aspx) to see where these 32 Formel/Formell surnames are located but can see no concentrations. This could be because there are so few of them to start with. Formel, while not "concentrated" are scattered about the northwest quarter of modern Germany. Formell listings are in both the northwest and northeast (but still well west of Stettin)> The paucity of listings for Formel/Formell could suggest they were from Stettin and that most emigrated abroad or never made it into the borders of modern Germany but Stettin is practically on the border with Germany today so that's not my first choice. I'm more inclined to say they were from Essen which was part of Prussia for a time even though it's not what I think of as traditional Prussia (eastern Germany and parts of Poland and the Baltic states). To back up my suggestion of Essen area, go to FamilySearch and check out the listings for Formel/Formell. Most non-U.S. listings show Prussia (Preussen in German) but they are western areas (the Rhineland and Westphalia) more consistent with an Essen area origin. There are three listings for Westpreussen (West Prussia) which is actually pretty far east of Stettin so I'm discounting them heavily. International Genealogical Index - Germany 45. Adam Formel - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Male Birth: About 1780 Wickrathberg, , Rheinland, Preussen 46. ADAM FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Male Birth: 1800 Alt Czapel, , Westpreussen, Preussen 47. ADAM FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Male Birth: 1800 Alt Czapel, , Westpreussen, Preussen 48. Anna Catharina Formel - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Female Birth: About 1805 Wickrathberg, , Rheinland, Preussen 49. Anna Catharina Formel - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Female Birth: About 1805 Wickrathberg, , Rheinland, Preussen 50. ANNE MARIE WILHELMINE FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Female Christening: 05 SEP 1875 Sankt Johannes Evangelisch, Herford, Westfalen, Preussen 51. ANTON CHRISTIAN FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Male Birth: 12 APR 1810 52. ANTON CHRISTIAN FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Male Birth: 12 APR 1810 53. ANTON HEINRICH OTTO FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Male Birth: 04 JAN 1838 54. ANTON HEINRICH OTTO FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Male Christening: 25 MAY 1874 Sankt Johannes Evangelisch, Herford, Westfalen, Preussen 55. BEREND HENRICH FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Male Christening: 21 FEB 1830 Evangelisch, Heepen, Westfalen, Preussen 56. BERNHARD HEINRICH FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Male Marriage: 07 FEB 1858 Evangelisch, Bochum, Westfalen, Preussen 57. BERNHARD HEINRICH FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Male Marriage: 11 FEB 1859 Evangelisch, Uemmingen, Westfalen, Preussen 58. BERNHARD HEINRICH FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Male Marriage: 07 FEB 1859 Evangelisch, Bochum, Westfalen, Preussen 59. BERNHARD HEINRICH FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Male Marriage: 07 APR 1867 Evangelische, Herford, Westfalen, Preussen 60. CHRISTIAN HEINRICH FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Male Christening: 24 APR 1870 Sankt Johannes Evangelisch, Herford, Westfalen, Preussen 61. CHRISTINE HENRIETTE FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Female Christening: 09 NOV 1851 Sankt Johannes Evangelisch, Herford, Westfalen, Preussen 62. CHRISTINE HENRIETTE FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Female Birth: 20 OCT 1851 63. ELEONORA FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Female Birth: 02 JUL 1835 Schlafkau, , Westpreussen, Preussen 64. ELISE HENRIETTE FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Female Christening: 17 NOV 1844 Sankt Johannes Evangelisch, Herford, Westfalen, Preussen 65. ELISE CHRISTINE HENRIETTE FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Female Birth: 25 JUL 1869 >From the 1880 U.S. Census, you also see Formell but with the generic origin of Prussia Census - 1880 US Census 2. Julius FORMELL - 1880 United States Census / Illinois Self Gender: Male Birth: <1842> PRU 3. Karolina FORMELL - 1880 United States Census / Illinois Wife Gender: Female Birth: <1843> PRU 4. Dora FORMELL - 1880 United States Census / Illinois Dau Gender: Female Birth: <1861> PRU 5. Christian FORMELL - 1880 United States Census / Illinois Son Gender: Male Birth: <1863> PRU 6. Sophia FORMELL - 1880 United States Census / Illinois Dau Gender: Female Birth: <1865> PRU 7. Charles FORMELL - 1880 United States Census / Illinois Son Gender: Male Birth: <1866> PRU There are two cities named Essen in Germany. Herford and Heepen are closer to the smaller Essen (in Lower Saxony) but still 65 miles or more away and over 100 miles from the bigger Essen. Wickrathberg is 47 miles southwest from the bigger Essen. But Bochum is only 11.5 miles from the larger Essen (North Rhine-Westphalia) and is (for me, at least) an interesting possibility. Uemmingen is near Bochum (about 4 miles). Uemmingen must have been a wide spot on the path because there are roads, and a lake named for it but no village that I can see. Maybe it was a large farm (hofgut) with employees living on it. But it had its own church (see below). My conclusion? I'd look for Formel/Formell in the area around Bochum and Uemmingen. To find Uemmingen in mapquest, you'll have to spell it Ummingen. The website for Bochum is www.bochum.de. Bochum had both a Lutheran and a Catholic church in the 1800's. One source states that Uemmingen is grouped into the city of Langendreer and another that Langendreer is part of Bochum. Perhaps they're all in the same municipality. Uemmingen did have a Lutheran church during the time frame you're speaking of and still has an historic cemetery on Uemminger Lake. See http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cmmingen and http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historischer_Friedhof_%C3%9Cmmingen It would be interesting to see if there is a listing for the headstones in the cemetery. The LDS have microfilms for the churches in both Bochum and Uemmingen (spell it Ummingen if you search). Regards, Paul near Portland, Oregon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim, It would appear that the map of Prussia that you looked at was of the old Duchy of Prussia, which was acquired by the Electors of Brandenburg. Essen is in North Rhine-Westphalia which was a province of the Kingdom of Prussia since at least the end of the Napoleonic Wars (1815). If he arrived as a cabin boy, then it's likely he deserted from his ship, as the usual crewing practice is to sign on for the round trip. Have you searched the relevant "government or police gazette" as deserters were normally reported to the authorities. If his desertion was reported, then it'll also give you the name of his ship. The key to seaman's records is to know the name of the ship and the year involved. The largest merchant navy in the world at the time was the British, which employed thousands of foreigners. It's how my German Great Grandfather ended up in England. There are good records for seamen on British ships. Denmark and Norway are also maritime nations and I believe that they too have good seamen's records. Also, have you thoroughly investigated the Church Records (presumably Lutheran) where he settled? Often there are "arrival" records of new members of the Congregation. Regards David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Help with surname WORMELL Some other questions I might include are: - What other records might I search that survived the wars, e.g., military records (his father may have been in military), census, district registrations, etc. - Did ships sail to America from Stettin in 1856...or did they sail only directly from other ports,e.g., Copenhagen, Amsterdam, etc. - Were there records kept of seamen in 1856. - I think there were records of people emigrating to the US kept in Prussia during this time. Would he, at 16 years old, bothered to fill one out...if in fact emigration was his plan? Even though he gave up his allegiance to Fredrick William, King of Prussia (as required on the Naturalization papers), he did name his second son after him 25 years later:). Thanks again, Jim > > On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Jim <[email protected]> wrote: > >> According to my great grandfather's naturalization papers, he arrived >> in Boston, from Prussia, on 29 FEB 1856. He was 15 years old. Family >> story says he worked his way over from Germany as a cabin boy on a >> ship. He never spoke about the "old country". My father said he >> thought his grandfather came from Essen or Stettin. In looking at a >> map of Prussia of 1850, Essen was not part of Prussia so it appears >> that Stettin, now Szczecin, Poland, is possibly a starting point for >> my research. >> >> This is my last line and brick wall of my tree which I have been >> researching for 40 years. I have only come across WORMELL as an >> English name and any records I have seen for Germany/Prussia do not >> show the name. >> Interestlingly, the both witnesses on his naturalization papers were >> from Denmark. Both worked in shipping industry...one as a captain, >> the >> other as the owner of a "employment agency" for the shipping >> industry. >> Both also lived near him in East Boston. My great grandfather was a >> sea captain. >> >> Thank you, Jim Wormelle ("e" added on early 1900's)

Hi listeners, would be anybody so kind and do a lookup for me: Jacqueline Lois Cadwell Ladik a.. Who's Who of American Women. Fifth edition, 1968-1969. Wilmette, IL: Marquis Who's Who, 1967. (WhoAmW 5) b.. Who's Who of American Women. Sixth edition, 1970-1971. Wilmette, IL: Marquis Who's Who, 1969. (WhoAmW 6) c.. Who's Who of American Women. Seventh edition, 1972-1973. Wilmette, IL: Marquis Who's Who, 1971. (WhoAmW 7) She is a relative to me. Many thanks in advance !! Thomas (Ladzik), germany

thanks Livy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Livy Revits Sent: Tuesday, 4 August 2009 11:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Rosenthal / Liebemuhl Colin- I don't know if this will help, but the site is worth subscribing to: http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/faq.html Livy On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:23 AM, Colin Pretorius <[email protected]> wrote: > Good afternoon > > I wonder if there are any Rosenthal researchers (or people specialising in > the history of the Liebemuhl area) on this list? If so, maybe someone can > assist with the following query, or point me in the right direction. > > Louis Rosenthal (full Yiddish name Jehuda Levy Ben Gecheskel) was born on > 14.5.1856 in Liebemuhl, Prussia. He died at Brandfort in the Orange Free > State in South Africa on 21.6.1932. Louis' parents are not given on his > Death Notice , but in the estate papers, his brothers and their children > are > listed as: > > Bruno - 2 children, Martin & Gerda (x Hermann) > Emil - 2 daughters, Lucie & Eva > Georg - 2 children, Lotte & Alfred > Nathan - 1 child, Conrad > > Louis married Elizabeth Boshoff (daughter of Christoffel & Susanna Boshoff > - > no additional details available re these 2). In Louis' will he also makes > provision for a daughter of his wife's first marriage - Annie Henrietta > Randrup (married to William Frederick Williamson) > > > I am trying to track down the ancestors of both Louis Rosenthal and would > appreciate any help/information > > > > Colin > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My 3x Great Grandfather, Caspar Gottlieb Kunde married in 1816 in the parish of Zarpen, in Holstein. He stated that he was the son of Andreas Kunde and Anna Clara Klatten auf dem Kutzenhufken (yes that's her full surname!) of "Kirchspiels Nemit, unweit Collberg". Klatten is the feminine of Klatt. In the earlier records, you'll see that many German surnames have a masculine and feminine version eg Voight Voighten Ralf Ralfen Kruger Krugern Sommer Sommern Regards David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Delores Brown To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 4:10 AM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] klatt Morning, Thanks to the many people who has helped me track my varsbotter family I have found out my gggrandmother was named charlotte Klatt, any one out there searching this name from Prussia? Thanks to all, Delores ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim, If you don't mind a little speculation, read on. You've got to figure out the surname before you can do much good researching German records. There are no listings in the online Germany phone book for Wormell. So what was the name? I searched the phone book with the "Show similar names" box checked. The only alternates that came up were Formel and Formell--16 of each as private listings, I.e. surnames. (Be careful because Formel means Formula in German so one must ignore commercial listings such as Formel 1 which I suspect has to do with automobile racing). Note that German letters V and F both sound like English F. It's not hard to see that, in what I believe is called a hyperurbanization of the English V to German W that the similar F got thrown in. Ignore that last sentence and just say Wormell and Formell and you can see how German Formell might have been changed to English Wormell if you know that W is pronounced like V in German. Would this be a backwards hyperurbanization? So much for my amateur linguistics knowledge. I went to Geogen (http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/en/Default.aspx) to see where these 32 Formel/Formell surnames are located but can see no concentrations. This could be because there are so few of them to start with. Formel, while not "concentrated" are scattered about the northwest quarter of modern Germany. Formell listings are in both the northwest and northeast (but still well west of Stettin)> The paucity of listings for Formel/Formell could suggest they were from Stettin and that most emigrated abroad or never made it into the borders of modern Germany but Stettin is practically on the border with Germany today so that's not my first choice. I'm more inclined to say they were from Essen which was part of Prussia for a time even though it's not what I think of as traditional Prussia (eastern Germany and parts of Poland and the Baltic states). To back up my suggestion of Essen area, go to FamilySearch and check out the listings for Formel/Formell. Most non-U.S. listings show Prussia (Preussen in German) but they are western areas (the Rhineland and Westphalia) more consistent with an Essen area origin. There are three listings for Westpreussen (West Prussia) which is actually pretty far east of Stettin so I'm discounting them heavily. International Genealogical Index - Germany 45. Adam Formel - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Male Birth: About 1780 Wickrathberg, , Rheinland, Preussen 46. ADAM FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Male Birth: 1800 Alt Czapel, , Westpreussen, Preussen 47. ADAM FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Male Birth: 1800 Alt Czapel, , Westpreussen, Preussen 48. Anna Catharina Formel - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Female Birth: About 1805 Wickrathberg, , Rheinland, Preussen 49. Anna Catharina Formel - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Female Birth: About 1805 Wickrathberg, , Rheinland, Preussen 50. ANNE MARIE WILHELMINE FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Female Christening: 05 SEP 1875 Sankt Johannes Evangelisch, Herford, Westfalen, Preussen 51. ANTON CHRISTIAN FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Male Birth: 12 APR 1810 52. ANTON CHRISTIAN FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Male Birth: 12 APR 1810 53. ANTON HEINRICH OTTO FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Male Birth: 04 JAN 1838 54. ANTON HEINRICH OTTO FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Male Christening: 25 MAY 1874 Sankt Johannes Evangelisch, Herford, Westfalen, Preussen 55. BEREND HENRICH FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Male Christening: 21 FEB 1830 Evangelisch, Heepen, Westfalen, Preussen 56. BERNHARD HEINRICH FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Male Marriage: 07 FEB 1858 Evangelisch, Bochum, Westfalen, Preussen 57. BERNHARD HEINRICH FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Male Marriage: 11 FEB 1859 Evangelisch, Uemmingen, Westfalen, Preussen 58. BERNHARD HEINRICH FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Male Marriage: 07 FEB 1859 Evangelisch, Bochum, Westfalen, Preussen 59. BERNHARD HEINRICH FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Male Marriage: 07 APR 1867 Evangelische, Herford, Westfalen, Preussen 60. CHRISTIAN HEINRICH FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Male Christening: 24 APR 1870 Sankt Johannes Evangelisch, Herford, Westfalen, Preussen 61. CHRISTINE HENRIETTE FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Female Christening: 09 NOV 1851 Sankt Johannes Evangelisch, Herford, Westfalen, Preussen 62. CHRISTINE HENRIETTE FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Female Birth: 20 OCT 1851 63. ELEONORA FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Female Birth: 02 JUL 1835 Schlafkau, , Westpreussen, Preussen 64. ELISE HENRIETTE FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Female Christening: 17 NOV 1844 Sankt Johannes Evangelisch, Herford, Westfalen, Preussen 65. ELISE CHRISTINE HENRIETTE FORMEL - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: Female Birth: 25 JUL 1869 >From the 1880 U.S. Census, you also see Formell but with the generic origin of Prussia Census - 1880 US Census 2. Julius FORMELL - 1880 United States Census / Illinois Self Gender: Male Birth: <1842> PRU 3. Karolina FORMELL - 1880 United States Census / Illinois Wife Gender: Female Birth: <1843> PRU 4. Dora FORMELL - 1880 United States Census / Illinois Dau Gender: Female Birth: <1861> PRU 5. Christian FORMELL - 1880 United States Census / Illinois Son Gender: Male Birth: <1863> PRU 6. Sophia FORMELL - 1880 United States Census / Illinois Dau Gender: Female Birth: <1865> PRU 7. Charles FORMELL - 1880 United States Census / Illinois Son Gender: Male Birth: <1866> PRU There are two cities named Essen in Germany. Herford and Heepen are closer to the smaller Essen (in Lower Saxony) but still 65 miles or more away and over 100 miles from the bigger Essen. Wickrathberg is 47 miles southwest from the bigger Essen. But Bochum is only 11.5 miles from the larger Essen (North Rhine-Westphalia) and is (for me, at least) an interesting possibility. Uemmingen is near Bochum (about 4 miles). Uemmingen must have been a wide spot on the path because there are roads, and a lake named for it but no village that I can see. Maybe it was a large farm (hofgut) with employees living on it. But it had its own church (see below). My conclusion? I'd look for Formel/Formell in the area around Bochum and Uemmingen. To find Uemmingen in mapquest, you'll have to spell it Ummingen. The website for Bochum is www.bochum.de. Bochum had both a Lutheran and a Catholic church in the 1800's. One source states that Uemmingen is grouped into the city of Langendreer and another that Langendreer is part of Bochum. Perhaps they're all in the same municipality. Uemmingen did have a Lutheran church during the time frame you're speaking of and still has an historic cemetery on Uemminger Lake. See http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cmmingen and http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historischer_Friedhof_%C3%9Cmmingen It would be interesting to see if there is a listing for the headstones in the cemetery. The LDS have microfilms for the churches in both Bochum and Uemmingen (spell it Ummingen if you search). Regards, Paul near Portland, Oregon

I have a very high quality headstone photo for my great-great-great-great-grandfather Ultman Jergins. A volunteer from Huntsville TX made it for me at the Oakwood Cemetery. I have always been told that Ultman came from Rodanier Prussia, but never could find it on maps nor mentioned in records. This photo is good enough to tell that Rodanier is wrong, but not good enough to tell what it really is. Is there any place that I can post it for folks to see? Thanks so much, Cathey

Laura, get his military records. They have a wealth of information. Carol

Good afternoon I wonder if there are any Rosenthal researchers (or people specialising in the history of the Liebemuhl area) on this list? If so, maybe someone can assist with the following query, or point me in the right direction. Louis Rosenthal (full Yiddish name Jehuda Levy Ben Gecheskel) was born on 14.5.1856 in Liebemuhl, Prussia. He died at Brandfort in the Orange Free State in South Africa on 21.6.1932. Louis' parents are not given on his Death Notice , but in the estate papers, his brothers and their children are listed as: Bruno - 2 children, Martin & Gerda (x Hermann) Emil - 2 daughters, Lucie & Eva Georg - 2 children, Lotte & Alfred Nathan - 1 child, Conrad Louis married Elizabeth Boshoff (daughter of Christoffel & Susanna Boshoff - no additional details available re these 2). In Louis' will he also makes provision for a daughter of his wife's first marriage - Annie Henrietta Randrup (married to William Frederick Williamson) I am trying to track down the ancestors of both Louis Rosenthal and would appreciate any help/information Colin

I am also a ROSENTHAL researcher. My Rosenthal's are Catholic, but I have not tossed out the possibility of them being Jewish somewhere down the line. The problem I am having is that I cannot find where in Prussia/Poland they are from. I am praying for a miracle! So, if any ROSENTHAL researchers ever run across a Ignatz Rosenthal <1839>, married to Catherine (Radzicki? or Penglisz?) <1842>, with children of Joseph <1863>, Anton <1867>, Stanislaus <1872>, Maryanna <1873>, Catherine <1878>, Adam <1880>, and Ignatz <1880>, please let me know! I figure it never hurts to get the word out there to new researchers on the list! Monica Rosenthal [email protected]@msn.com > Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:55:53 -0400 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Rosenthal / Liebemuhl > > Colin- > > I don't know if this will help, but the site is worth subscribing to: > > http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/faq.html > > Livy > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:23 AM, Colin Pretorius <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Good afternoon > > > > I wonder if there are any Rosenthal researchers (or people specialising in > > the history of the Liebemuhl area) on this list? If so, maybe someone can > > assist with the following query, or point me in the right direction. > > > > Louis Rosenthal (full Yiddish name Jehuda Levy Ben Gecheskel) was born on > > 14.5.1856 in Liebemuhl, Prussia. He died at Brandfort in the Orange Free > > State in South Africa on 21.6.1932. Louis' parents are not given on his > > Death Notice , but in the estate papers, his brothers and their children > > are > > listed as: > > > > Bruno - 2 children, Martin & Gerda (x Hermann) > > Emil - 2 daughters, Lucie & Eva > > Georg - 2 children, Lotte & Alfred > > Nathan - 1 child, Conrad > > > > Louis married Elizabeth Boshoff (daughter of Christoffel & Susanna Boshoff > > - > > no additional details available re these 2). In Louis' will he also makes > > provision for a daughter of his wife's first marriage - Annie Henrietta > > Randrup (married to William Frederick Williamson) > > > > > > I am trying to track down the ancestors of both Louis Rosenthal and would > > appreciate any help/information > > > > > > > > Colin > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message