Mike, I am passing along this link:  http://www.familytreemagazine.com/recordreferences There are a number of references that may be helpful. Good luck with your research. Wendy

The Rice/Steele/Waseca bunch of Koesters and Holtzes are relatives of my mom's. They intermarried with our Sommers and Rudolph lines, so I have several of them listed in my db. As far as I know they aren't related to the ones in Faribault Co. There are so many families with those surnames in MN that it gets to be hard to sort them all out. Faribault Co. was my dad's old stomping grounds. I would recommend that Mike contact Nicholas Weerts at the Winnebago Area Historical Society. Nicholas might be willing to go track down which ever MN church records Mike has an interest in. The last address I had for Nicholas was [email protected] Kathy http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnfariba/ www.Kiva.org - loans that change lives. Change the world one loan at a time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mona" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Help finding ggrandparents > Michael Nelson wrote: > >> William Freiderich Holtz (Holz) born abt. 1811 in Prussia, Germany, and >> died July 11, 1882 in Wells, (Faribault County) Minnesota. He married >> Hannah Koster (Koester) in Prussia, Germany. She was born abt. 1815 in >> Prussia, Germany, and died May 03, 1893 in Wells, (Faribault County) >> Minnesota. >> They had a son August Gottfried Holtz (Holz). he was born about 1846 in >> Prussia. I don't know of any other children but suspect they had more. >> Supposedly they came to America about 1855-1857. > > Mike, > > Could this be the right family? I found them listed in the Rice Lake > Cemetery in Faribault Co., MN. > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mnfariba/cemeteries/ricelakecem.txt > > HOLTZ > Anna 1815-1892 > William F 1811-1882 > Amelia 1852-1935 > August C 10/17/46-10/24/1922 > (buried with Schroeder) > Robert C 10/16/72-3/4/1917 > Martha 7/10/72-3/14/1957 > > Looking at the dates, one could assume that William F and Anna are the > parents, August the son, Amelia his wife, and that Robert if is the son > of August and Amelia. I used that as a premise for further searching. > > > In the 1895 Minnesota Census, I found > Holtz, August, 50, b Germany > Amelia, 44, b Germany > Robert, age 22, b Wisc. > ??, age 16, b Wisc. (looks like Louisa, but listed as male) > Eddie, age 15, b Iowa > Mabel, age 12, b Minn. > (From this, I decided to search in Wisconsin and Iowa for the family) > > Assuming the above is the correct family, then here they are in 1880: > Name: Fred W. Holts > Home in 1880: Junction, Greene, Iowa > Age: 70 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810 > Birthplace: Prussia > Relation to Head of Household: Father > Spouse's Name: Anna > Father's birthplace: Prussia > Mother's birthplace: Prussia > Occupation: With Son > Marital Status: Married > Race: White > Gender: Male > Household Members: > Name Age > August Holts 34 > Amelia Holts 28 > Martha Holts 11 > Emma Holts 9 > Robert Holts 8 > Clara Holts 6 > Harmon Holts 5 > Julia Holts 3 > Annie Holts 6M > Anna Holts 63 > Fred W. Holts 70 > > I found this entry in the 1870 census in Wisconsin, that could be the > same family: > Name: William Holtz > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 > Age in 1870: 59 > Birthplace: Prussia > Home in 1870: Brillion, Calumet, Wisconsin > Race: White > Gender: Male > Post Office: Brillion > Household Members: > Name Age > William Holtz 59 > Hannah Holtz 54 > August Holtz 20 > Amelia Holtz 18 > Ida Holtz 3 > Matter Holtz 1 > > Searching further in Calumet Co., Wisconsin, on the USGenWeb site, I > found the birth record for: > Holtz, Robert Carl Heinrich, Male, White, Oct. 16, 1872, Brillion > parents, August Holtz & Emilie Beyer, Cert. No. 1515 > > In the declaration of intents posted on the GenWeb site, I found > Holz, Wm. date of declar.-12 Apr 1873, country of origin-Germany > > There are no guarantees that the birth record or the declaration of > intent will yield the village in Germany that you are seeking, (if > indeed this is the correct family) but I certainly take my search from > Faribault Co., Minn., to Calument Co., Wisc. to see what's there. > > I hope that is of some help to you. > > Mona > > -- > Mona Houser > [email protected] > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monajo/ > My data base: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=monahouser > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mike, Have you tried finding a researcher who will go to the church? The minister of my great grandparents' hometown in Port Hope, Michigan kept great records in German and listed the hometowns of the married and dead. Get to those records! Have you searched the IGI at FamilySearch.org? At least one of my German families was listed there. Good hunting! dan

M Hurney wrote: > If they were Missouri Synod Lutheran, write Concordia Historical Society in > St. Louis with $20.00 and they will look it up for you. They had the > hometown in Germany for my great grandparents who listed Prussia and > Mecklenburg on their wedding information. You can Google them for the > address. Hi M, Concordia Historical Institute in St. Louis - http://chi.lcms.org/ - is indeed a valuable resource, especially if your ancestor (or whomever you are looking for) was a pastor or teacher. They have records of their places of service, and often have very detailed obits. You were fortunate, M, that Concordia Historical Institute had the records you needed. The congregational records they have are only what individual churches have sent them. They also have a collection of family-submitted documents. Mona -- Mona Houser [email protected] http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monajo/ My data base: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=monahouser

Kristi, I have to confess to not knowing what a book whisperer is! I (lazily) google, Maureen consults her extensive library. Ah, suddenly the term 'horse whisperer' flashed into my head... (I've been on facebook, briefly, this morning and have to confess it does my head in.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_whisperer Yes Maureen is the book equivalent, if that is what you were meaning, but don't tell anyone ;-) Bron. On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Kristi Murdock <[email protected]>wrote: > Is Maureen a Book Whisperer, Bronwyn? Ooooh! I'm so jealous! > > --Kristi, in Iowa > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bronwyn Klimach" <[email protected]> > > Ahh, found by the one for whom books reveal their secrets ;-) > > Well done (again) Maureen, and I am sure Thomas will be pleased. > >

Michael: Have you searched probate files? What about marriage and death records for the children? Have you looked at the microfilm of the ship records rather than just what's available online? The films often have the birthplace or last residence which rarely got transcribed into a data base. Just checking. What is the name and location (and synod) of the church? Some lutheran church records are on microfilm in the synod archives and are available for borrowing. Sheila K. On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Michael Nelson <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I wish to thank everyone who responded to my request for help in locating > my great grandparents. > > I have searched every available record in America regarding these people > and all only list Prussia as the homeland. I have searched census, ship, > naturalization, death records, newspaper obits, interview other family > members, etc. with the only record I have been unable to review is the > church records because the church won't respond to my letters. > > This is my brick wall and I may have to accept that I will never find the > answer. > > Thank you all very much. > > Have a Great Day > > Mike > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mike - there is a great deal more in America than those few places you have mentioned - so keep going. Maureen In a message dated 8/15/2009 7:48:57 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: If they were Missouri Synod Lutheran, write Concordia Historical Society in St. Louis with $20.00 and they will look it up for you. They had the hometown in Germany for my great grandparents who listed Prussia and Mecklenburg on their wedding information. You can Google them for the address. Also the manifest where they left Germany also lists the town. Mine were on the Hamburg list and they matched the church records. Good luck! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Nelson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 9:23 AM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] reply to: Help finding ggrandparents > Hi everyone, > > I wish to thank everyone who responded to my request for help in locating > my great grandparents. > > I have searched every available record in America regarding these people > and all only list Prussia as the homeland. I have searched census, ship, > naturalization, death records, newspaper obits, interview other family > members, etc. with the only record I have been unable to review is the > church records because the church won't respond to my letters. > > This is my brick wall and I may have to accept that I will never find the > answer. > > Thank you all very much. > > Have a Great Day > > Mike > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2304 - Release Date: 08/15/09 06:10:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If they were Missouri Synod Lutheran, write Concordia Historical Society in St. Louis with $20.00 and they will look it up for you. They had the hometown in Germany for my great grandparents who listed Prussia and Mecklenburg on their wedding information. You can Google them for the address. Also the manifest where they left Germany also lists the town. Mine were on the Hamburg list and they matched the church records. Good luck! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Nelson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 9:23 AM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] reply to: Help finding ggrandparents > Hi everyone, > > I wish to thank everyone who responded to my request for help in locating > my great grandparents. > > I have searched every available record in America regarding these people > and all only list Prussia as the homeland. I have searched census, ship, > naturalization, death records, newspaper obits, interview other family > members, etc. with the only record I have been unable to review is the > church records because the church won't respond to my letters. > > This is my brick wall and I may have to accept that I will never find the > answer. > > Thank you all very much. > > Have a Great Day > > Mike > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2304 - Release Date: 08/15/09 06:10:00

Hi everyone, I wish to thank everyone who responded to my request for help in locating my great grandparents. I have searched every available record in America regarding these people and all only list Prussia as the homeland. I have searched census, ship, naturalization, death records, newspaper obits, interview other family members, etc. with the only record I have been unable to review is the church records because the church won't respond to my letters. This is my brick wall and I may have to accept that I will never find the answer. Thank you all very much. Have a Great Day Mike

Carolynn Brehmer wrote: > Hello to the group-I have great news for me. I've finally found the Brehmer's I've been looking for. The Langkafel, Minten, Florentinehof and Crussow reel. My husband is descended from: Congratulations, Carolynn! That's awesome. -- Mona Houser [email protected] http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monajo/ My data base: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=monahouser

You can try writing to her in German. You don't say what her maiden name was, but there are still Germans living in that area (East Prussia), and a lot of Germans go there as tourists, so a lot of people in Olsztyn etc. speak some or much German. (Don't try using German in most of Poland! But the former East Prussia is more or less used to it. (I've gotten by pretty well there on the basis of bad German.) Bob Robert M. Copeland Professor of Music Director of Choral Activities Geneva College Beaver Falls, PA 15010 724-847-6665 [email protected] ________________________________________ From: [email protected] [[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lauren Gilles [[email protected]] Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Olsztyn/Allenstein-Usarkowski, Pukall? Hello, List - I recently found a new name in our family tree and have renewed enthusiasm for the search! I found a reference to a relative who is quite possible still alive in Olsztyn. Her name was on a 2007 list of donors and volunteers for some kind of city celebration.The listing included her maiden name, which is how I found her. And now I have her married name. Unfortunately, I do not have an address at which to write her. She is probably in her mid 80s. I also don't speak German, but have been using Google Translator lately. Can anyone help me locate a possible address for a living person in Olsztyn? We can email directly to protect her privacy. Thank you! Thank you! Lauren Gilles ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Yvonne - The website where I found this lady was in German, and it appeared to be a whole society of people celebrating their German heritage. You are correct that I'll be searching for an address in Poland. I was hoping to find someone who had access to current telephone books for Olsztyn, Poland, possible even someone currently living there?? I'm new to the ROOTS Digest thing, so I'm probably not sure where to go from here. An internet search for phone numbers was not terribly helpful. I'll try a Polish List and see what I can find. Thanks! Lauren   Message: 4 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:23:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Lauren Gilles <[email protected]> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Olsztyn/Allenstein-Usarkowski, Pukall? To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello, List - I recently found a new name in our family tree and have renewed enthusiasm for the search! I found a reference to a relative who is quite possible still alive in Olsztyn. Her name was on a 2007 list of donors and volunteers for some kind of city celebration.The listing included her maiden name, which is how I found her. And now I have her married name. Unfortunately, I do not have an address at which to write her. She is probably in her mid 80s. I also don't speak German, but have been using Google Translator lately. Can anyone help me locate a possible address for a living person in Olsztyn? We can email?directly to protect her privacy. Thank you! Thank you! Lauren Gilles    ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:27:35 -0700 From: "Yvonne" <[email protected]> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] olsztyn - Google Maps @Laurel To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Lauren, I found the town of Olsztyn right away, but it is in Poland, so you will have to find somebody who speaks Polish. I only speak German. Yvonne in California

Hello to the group-I have great news for me. I've finally found the Brehmer's I've been looking for. The Langkafel, Minten, Florentinehof and Crussow reel. My husband is descended from: Johann Christian Carl David Brehmer B:1840 of Damerow sp: Johanne Emilie Louise Radtke (Radke) B:1840 Florentinehof they begat Friedrich August Carl B:8/17/1866 Langkafel (hubby's gr grandpa) Ida Louise Emilie B:1/10/1872 Johanne Fredrike Caroline B:8/22/1873 Ernestina Albertine B:9/1868 All born Langkafel and the wives have same father info in Florentinehof Also found cousins on the reel-the women are sisters-not sure yet about the men Johann Friedrich Gottfried Brehmer B:1845 Dorothea Luisa Maria Radtke(Radke) B:1840 Ida Marie Wilhelmine B:7/20/1866 Langkafel Albertine Wilhelmine Louise B:7/10/1869 Friedrich August Carl B:6/7/1872 Johann Friedrich Wilhelm B:8/21/1874 I've been looking for so many years for my father-in-law, Carl Emil Heinrich, who died in 1990 and my brother-in-law, Carl, who is also gone. I'll keep on plodding along like so many of us on the great "search". Good luck to all.

Hi Lauren, I found the town of Olsztyn right away, but it is in Poland, so you will have to find somebody who speaks Polish. I only speak German. Yvonne in California http://maps.google.com/maps?q=olsztyn&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&oe=utf8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=JiqGSpeyCZPgsQPS0-CrBw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1

Hello, List - I recently found a new name in our family tree and have renewed enthusiasm for the search! I found a reference to a relative who is quite possible still alive in Olsztyn. Her name was on a 2007 list of donors and volunteers for some kind of city celebration.The listing included her maiden name, which is how I found her. And now I have her married name. Unfortunately, I do not have an address at which to write her. She is probably in her mid 80s. I also don't speak German, but have been using Google Translator lately. Can anyone help me locate a possible address for a living person in Olsztyn? We can email directly to protect her privacy. Thank you! Thank you! Lauren Gilles

Mike, To add to all the suggestions you have already received: my Prussian breakthrough came on the marriage certificate of my greatgrandfather's brother who was born in Prussia but married in NYC. This certificate stated the actual town of birth. All other documents I located just said Germany or sometimes Prussia. You need to look under every rock for the name of that town or you cannot proceed with overseas research. Good luck. Veronica > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:26:50 -0500 > From: "Michael Nelson" <[email protected]> > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Help finding ggrandparents > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > > I am wondering if anyone can help me or give advice in locating someone. I have been searching for 35 years for my great grand parents original location. I have searched all the sources in America but don't know how to search records from over seas. > > Here's what info I have. > > William Freiderich Holtz (Holz) born abt. 1811 in Prussia, Germany, and died July 11, 1882 in Wells, (Faribault County) Minnesota. He married Hannah Koster (Koester) in Prussia, Germany. She was born abt. 1815 in Prussia, Germany, and died May 03, 1893 in Wells, (Faribault County) Minnesota. > > > > They had a son August Gottfried Holtz (Holz). he was born about 1846 in Prussia. I don't know of any other children but suspect they had more. Supposedly they came to America about 1855-1857. > > > > That's all I know of them. > > > > Have a Great Day > > Mike >

Michael Nelson wrote: > William Freiderich Holtz (Holz) born abt. 1811 in Prussia, Germany, and died July 11, 1882 in Wells, (Faribault County) Minnesota. He married Hannah Koster (Koester) in Prussia, Germany. She was born abt. 1815 in Prussia, Germany, and died May 03, 1893 in Wells, (Faribault County) Minnesota. > They had a son August Gottfried Holtz (Holz). he was born about 1846 in Prussia. I don't know of any other children but suspect they had more. Supposedly they came to America about 1855-1857. Mike, Could this be the right family? I found them listed in the Rice Lake Cemetery in Faribault Co., MN. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mnfariba/cemeteries/ricelakecem.txt HOLTZ Anna 1815-1892 William F 1811-1882 Amelia 1852-1935 August C 10/17/46-10/24/1922 (buried with Schroeder) Robert C 10/16/72-3/4/1917 Martha 7/10/72-3/14/1957 Looking at the dates, one could assume that William F and Anna are the parents, August the son, Amelia his wife, and that Robert if is the son of August and Amelia. I used that as a premise for further searching. In the 1895 Minnesota Census, I found Holtz, August, 50, b Germany Amelia, 44, b Germany Robert, age 22, b Wisc. ??, age 16, b Wisc. (looks like Louisa, but listed as male) Eddie, age 15, b Iowa Mabel, age 12, b Minn. (From this, I decided to search in Wisconsin and Iowa for the family) Assuming the above is the correct family, then here they are in 1880: Name: Fred W. Holts Home in 1880: Junction, Greene, Iowa Age: 70 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810 Birthplace: Prussia Relation to Head of Household: Father Spouse's Name: Anna Father's birthplace: Prussia Mother's birthplace: Prussia Occupation: With Son Marital Status: Married Race: White Gender: Male Household Members: Name Age August Holts 34 Amelia Holts 28 Martha Holts 11 Emma Holts 9 Robert Holts 8 Clara Holts 6 Harmon Holts 5 Julia Holts 3 Annie Holts 6M Anna Holts 63 Fred W. Holts 70 I found this entry in the 1870 census in Wisconsin, that could be the same family: Name: William Holtz Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Age in 1870: 59 Birthplace: Prussia Home in 1870: Brillion, Calumet, Wisconsin Race: White Gender: Male Post Office: Brillion Household Members: Name Age William Holtz 59 Hannah Holtz 54 August Holtz 20 Amelia Holtz 18 Ida Holtz 3 Matter Holtz 1 Searching further in Calumet Co., Wisconsin, on the USGenWeb site, I found the birth record for: Holtz, Robert Carl Heinrich, Male, White, Oct. 16, 1872, Brillion parents, August Holtz & Emilie Beyer, Cert. No. 1515 In the declaration of intents posted on the GenWeb site, I found Holz, Wm. date of declar.-12 Apr 1873, country of origin-Germany There are no guarantees that the birth record or the declaration of intent will yield the village in Germany that you are seeking, (if indeed this is the correct family) but I certainly take my search from Faribault Co., Minn., to Calument Co., Wisc. to see what's there. I hope that is of some help to you. Mona -- Mona Houser [email protected] http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monajo/ My data base: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=monahouser

Mike, For me the breakthrough was in the Church books in the 'new' country - if you have not looked at them for the places your family lived to try and now do so. Prussia is far to big to search just by surnames, even uncommon ones. The clues will be near at hand, if not easily found. I'm sure Maureen's link will give you places you can spend many more years looking! Good luck, Bronwyn. On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Michael Nelson <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi, > > I am wondering if anyone can help me or give advice in locating someone. I > have been searching for 35 years for my great grand parents original > location. I have searched all the sources in America but don't know how to > search records from over seas. > > Here's what info I have. > > William Freiderich Holtz (Holz) born abt. 1811 in Prussia, Germany, and > died July 11, 1882 in Wells, (Faribault County) Minnesota. He married > Hannah Koster (Koester) in Prussia, Germany. She was born abt. 1815 in > Prussia, Germany, and died May 03, 1893 in Wells, (Faribault County) > Minnesota. > > > > They had a son August Gottfried Holtz (Holz). he was born about 1846 in > Prussia. I don't know of any other children but suspect they had more. > Supposedly they came to America about 1855-1857. > > > > That's all I know of them. > > > > Have a Great Day > > Mike > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ahh, found by the one for whom books reveal their secrets ;-) Well done (again) Maureen, and I am sure Thomas will be pleased. Kind regards, Bronwyn. On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:13 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > To Thomas Ladzik - I have found the article you are looking for and will > send it to you privately. It is in the catalog of the Southern California > Genealogical Library. (Catalogs of all genealogical societies and > universities are a very rich source.) _www.scgsgenealogy.com_ > (http://www.scgsgenealogy.com) > > Just wanted to let the list know Jacqueline Lois Cadwell Ladik has been > found. > > Maureen Schoenky > > > In a message dated 8/11/2009 12:39:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > To: "Rootsweb - Mailingliste" <[email protected]> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Mike, Did they have any relatives in the US? Or friends from the same town? You have one strike against you, the popular surname. Most often, a single family did not come to the US alone, or if they did, they soon joined friends or family who had come earlier. So it could be helpful to expand you search outside the immediate family. Did they have any more children after coming to the US? Who were the godparents? Most likely they were relatives, or friends from the same town in Prussia. See what you can find about those godparents. Conversely, were the Holtzes godparents for any children? Seek to discover the connection between those 2 families. Sometimes out search back has to go sideways for a while. And then, sometimes, we just have to accept that this is as far as we can go. :< Mona Michael Nelson wrote: > Here's what info I have. > William Freiderich Holtz (Holz) born abt. 1811 in Prussia, Germany, and died July 11, 1882 in Wells, (Faribault County) Minnesota. He married Hannah Koster (Koester) in Prussia, Germany. She was born abt. 1815 in Prussia, Germany, and died May 03, 1893 in Wells, (Faribault County) Minnesota. > They had a son August Gottfried Holtz (Holz). he was born about 1846 in Prussia. I don't know of any other children but suspect they had more. Supposedly they came to America about 1855-1857. Mona Houser [email protected] http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monajo/ My data base: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=monahouser