Hi Judy, here I found the town of Flecken Zechling, which is nowadays in the German state of Brandenburg. You forgot to give us any birth and death dates of the people whom you are looking for. Yvonne in California http://www.maplandia.com/germany/brandenburg/brandenburg/ostprignitz-ruppin/flecken-zechlin/

One record shows Johann Brodt was born in Morganstern, a village close to Zechlin. Quite possibly, there are related Brodts still in or near Morganstern. Also, I neglected to mention Wilhelmine's maiden name. Her daughter's typewritten Chicago death certificate shows the maiden name as Krosg. However, another record shows the name as Kerst (possibly Kerst, Kersi, Krost, Kreis) - the handwriting is not clear. I am also looking for relatives with those names. Judy

POGARELL families and family name from Silesia Researching POGARELL families and family name from Silesia *Anna Pogarell* (Frau Jorde) (*1871, *Langendorf* + 1945 *Dresden* ) Homepage: https://sites.google.com/site/genealogy*pogarell*/<https://sites.google.com/site/genealogypogarell/> <https://sites.google.com/site/genealogypogarell/> My grandmother, Anna Pogarell was born in *1871*. XII. 9. in “*Langendorf”, Silesia*, (*Wielowies ? or Bodzanow/Ziegenhals?)* Husband: Robert *Jorde (b: *1899. VI. 4. in Hirschberg, today Jeleni in the Czecz Republic) Marriage: 1899. jun. 4. Childrens: Robert, Brno, Elisabeth and Walter Jorde were born in *Leobschütz *, btw. 1900-1910: today Gluczicze, Poland.) Than they lived in Hungary. In 1944 Anna Pogarell travelled to *Dresden* “to the relatives” where she died in *1945 *about May at the first days of the russian occupation. This is the all, so *I don’t know, who were the parents of my grandmother.* I’m corresponding with some people from Germany who're bearing the Pogarell family name: it seems that every lineage is from Silesia: the majority doesn’t know the exact location. (Tschöplowitz/Czepielowice comes up in several cases.) So I would be extremely grateful if somebody would share informations about the origin and the history of the Pogarell surname and families, because I came to a halt in my research of my ancestors. All the best: Walter Jaszfalvi (Walter jorde) jaszfalvi1 (at) gmail.com

My gr gr grandparents Johann & Wilhelmine Brodt were born in Zechlin, Stolp, Prussia (now northern Poland near the Baltic) in abt 1817 & 1818. Johann was a teacher in Zechlin & died there in 1878. Wilhelmine emigrated to Chicago in 1880 with 4 adult children, & the other 2 children followed afterwards. I have lots of info about the family in the Chicago area, but know nothing else about their relatives or ancestors in Prussia. I am looking for anyone researching this family & their broader family or any distant relatives who might share Prussian info. Thanks. Judy

Hello Yvonne, Thank you so much for taking the time to help me. The familysearch site has been invaluable to me in my family search. It was there that I discovered that my great-great grandfather's entire family immigrated from Germany. Here is the information that I know: Hermann Nolkemper came to the US first (entered thru New Orleans), and a couple of years later (1859) his parents and 2 brothers and 2 sisters came into NY thru Castlegarden. In the Castlegarden records they list Neukirchen as their last residence. The Castlegarden records had no names, just the first initial of my g-g-g-grandfather. I sent for Hermann's death record and found his father to be Frederick (actually Frederick William and he used both names separately here in the US) Nolkemper and his mother Margaret Rosbach. With that info I found marriage records for Hermann's 2 sisters in NY - Doris and Maria on family search. Yesterday was my greatest find. I had suspected the names of his 2 brothers were Ernst a! nd Julius, but had no concrete proof. While looking on an newspaper archive site, I came across a probate notice for his sister Doris Küttner in Brooklyn (1913). Amazingly, family search had the will scanned! I was able to verify that Ernst Nolkemper of St Louis and Julius Nolkemper of Astoria Queens and later Greenlawn were indeed Hermann's 2 brothers. The will however has raised new questions. It seems Doris (Dorothea in the will) had a falling out with her second husband, and left her estate to her brothers and nieces and nephews. It seems there may have been a sister who remained in Germany when the family immigrated. Doris lists a nephew Heinrich Tittgemeier and niece Marie Klages (nee Tittgemeier) as living in Georgsmarienhütte and a second niece, Elizabeth Sedat (nee Tittgemeier) living in Hanover. My hope is to find the church records for the Frederich William Nolkemper-Margaret Rosbach family to see how many children they had. I do have Frederick's death cert! . which gives his birth as 31 Jan 1812 in Germany. Sorry this! is so l ong, but I wanted to let you know all that I have found out so far. Thanks again. Diane Nesconset, NY On May 20, 2011, at 1:18 AM, Yvonne wrote: > I hope this link works, but I found quite few Nolkemper. Yvonne in California > > http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I hope this link works, but I found quite few Nolkemper. Yvonne in California http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true

Hi Diane, I went on the old familysearch.org site and did a parent search. I did come with a result: Maria Nolkemper Female Events: Birth 10 Nov 1845 Neuenkirchen, Hanover, Hanover, Preussen Parents: Father: Wilhelm Nolkemper Mother: Margarethe Rosbach Marriages: Spouse: Christ. Rudolph Erdman Marriage: 07 OCT 1866 Manhatten, New York, New York Batch No: M005678 The spouse Christ. Rudolph Erdman: Birth: 02 Jul 1841 in Gotlingen (don't know if that is spelled correctly), Hanover, Hanover, Preussen Father: Daniel Erdman Mother: Augusta Lutze Gotlingen is not correct, but I found Göttingen. I will help you some more over the weekend. Hope this helped a little. I also send out another e-mail about Mell that way you make yourself familiar with the area. Yvonne in California ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Yanosik" <turtlroc@optonline.net> To: <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 6:52 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Georgsmarienhütte, Germany I have just found a record (will probate) that indicates relatives were living in Georgsmarienhütte, Germany in 1913. Heinrich Tittgemeier and his sister Marie Klages were listed in this will as living there and another sister, Elizabeth Sedat was living in Hanover. Their mother's maiden name was Nolkemper, and their grandparents were Frederick William Nolkemper and Margaret Rosbach. I do not have the first name of their mother, however I believe she was the only child of William and Margaret that remained in Germany. The rest of the family immigrated to NY in 1859. I was wondering how to find out which church to contact in regards to finding out where exactly the family immigrated from. On Dorothea Nolkemper Kuttner's(it was her will) marriage record, she lists birthplace as Melle. They were Protestant. How do I proceed from here? I've never researched in Germany before. Any suggestions would be most helpful. Thanks. Diane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Diane, here is the link for Melle in English. Yvonne in California http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melle,_Germany

I have just found a record (will probate) that indicates relatives were living in Georgsmarienhütte, Germany in 1913. Heinrich Tittgemeier and his sister Marie Klages were listed in this will as living there and another sister, Elizabeth Sedat was living in Hanover. Their mother's maiden name was Nolkemper, and their grandparents were Frederick William Nolkemper and Margaret Rosbach. I do not have the first name of their mother, however I believe she was the only child of William and Margaret that remained in Germany. The rest of the family immigrated to NY in 1859. I was wondering how to find out which church to contact in regards to finding out where exactly the family immigrated from. On Dorothea Nolkemper Kuttner's(it was her will) marriage record, she lists birthplace as Melle. They were Protestant. How do I proceed from here? I've never researched in Germany before. Any suggestions would be most helpful. Thanks. Diane

I am seeking the family of Wilhelmine Emilie Maria Schmarbeck, born 26 December 1862. I have found her baptism entry in the Brandenburg parish papers for Pritzwalk. Her mother's name is Wilhelmine Charlotte Fredericke Schmarbeck but there is no entry under the column for Father's Name. I did also find an entry for Minna's sister, Berthe, born on 14 December 1864. I do know there was at least a second sister, but could find no entry for her. I do not read German and while the writing of the names is very clear, the rest of the entry is difficult for me to read. The best I can interpret, Minna's godparents names are as follows: Emilie Guhl Maria Giessel Wilhelmine Freude Friedrich Peode (could be badly written Freude?) Carl Peonning Berthe's godparents look like: Mathilde Lehmann grb Benzien Bertha Benzien grb Kurz Elizabeth Habersaat grb Hartwig Heinrich Elwing Carl Muller I have looked through the marriage entries I found for Pritzwalk but was unable to find any for a bride with the mother's Christian names nor any combination of the surnames of the godparents. I have also searched the 1867 Census for Mecklenberg-Schwerin and the only entry with a Minna Schmarbeck of the right age (with no accompanying sister Berthe) is apparently with a mother Dorothea and a father Adolph in Gustavel, Ritteramt Crivitz. Can anyone suggest how I might proceed, please. Lynne Simpson Canberra Australia

G'day Diane The LDS has the largest single collection of genealogical records in the world. Much of it is on microfilm. Most of the records used by Ancestry were originally microfilmed by the LDS. The LDS is now in the process of digitising these records (witness my email about Pomeranian church records). You can order copies of these LDS microfilms into your local LDS Family History Library for a nominal sum and read them there. (It's how we did our research in the pre-PC days!!) At this point in time though, use the catalogue on the old Family Search website. Regards David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Diane Worth To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 5:43 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Flor Family Rostock, Luebeck, Neumunster dear All, My late mother was a Flor, and I have traced her father's line as far as I can to Adolf Hermann Flor, born 18 March 1860 in Preetz Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, died 15 Jan 1938 in Rostock. His wife was Erna Abrahams (1876-1960). I still have family (aunts and uncles) living in Neumunster. I would be grateful if anyone could tell me anything about this family and the best way to find births, marriages and deaths info. I am plugged into both Ancestry and Family Search, but it seems I can access microfilm records too? thank you very much, Diane Worth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you David, will check this out and would love to hear from anyone researching Flor. Diane

dear All, My late mother was a Flor, and I have traced her father's line as far as I can to Adolf Hermann Flor, born 18 March 1860 in Preetz Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, died 15 Jan 1938 in Rostock. His wife was Erna Abrahams (1876-1960). I still have family (aunts and uncles) living in Neumunster. I would be grateful if anyone could tell me anything about this family and the best way to find births, marriages and deaths info. I am plugged into both Ancestry and Family Search, but it seems I can access microfilm records too? thank you very much, Diane Worth

Lorene Pomerania was under either Swedish or German (Brandenburg Prussia) control from the early 1600s up to 1945. So your comment about a German invasion in the 1800s doesn't make sense in connection with Pomerania (Pommern). As regards the population: "During the Thirty Years War (1618-1648) Pomerania, lost two thirds of its population due to military raids, plague, famine and criminal violence." (Wikipedia). The region had to be re-populated and people from western Germany were given tax breaks etc to move east. It was the descendents of these Germans who were ethnically cleansed by Stalin in 1945. So I'm at a loss to understand your comment "then Germany invaded in the 1800s". Which invasion are you talking about? Or are you talking about Pomerelia (Pommerellen) as opposed to Pomerania (Pommern)? Pomerelia was annexed by Prussia in the 18th century (ie not the 1800s) and became part of West Prussia. This happened in the "First Partition of Poland" in 1772. The second and third partitions occurred in 1793 and 1795 respectively extinguishing Polish independence. David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Lorene Seman To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] New Pommern document collection LDS Familysearch Hi Mark: I think we've had this discussion before. I wonder if you are talking about the original German area of Pomerania because according to the map Pomerania included some German areas? The area where my relatives come from was first Poland and my family's name in the 1600s through 1800 was a Polish spelling (Cyman), then Germany invaded in the 1800s and tried to close down the Catholic Church and forced everyone to speak German, and German became the standard language and not even stores could contain Polish spelling. Imagine older folks who spoke Polish their whole lives now needing to learn a new language. My relative's name was changed to Zieman, the German spelling and this German occupation was the reason for their immigration in 1868. When they got to the US, they changed their name back to Cyman and built churches where they could no longer be persecuted. Imagine the difficulty in finding my relatives church records in the old country because I was looking for Cyman; only after I did some research did I learn that their name was changed to the German spelling--along with the town names from Polish to German. But just because their last name was changed to a German spelling doesn't mean they were German. They were always Polish, even under German occupation.

Priscilla The 187 number in the link is not a microfilm number! The full link takes you to a page "Germany Church Records, 1544-1945" David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Priscilla Anderson To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] PRUSSIA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 76 Hi David, I was not able to find the Church Records for Pommern. When I search on 1874205 it is for Belgium. Can you give me instructions please. Thank you, Priscilla, Oregon ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 22:08:36 +0800 > From: "David Armstrong" <davidrli@iinet.net.au> > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] New Pommern document collection LDS >> > G'day everyone > > Yesterday the LDS loaded a new collection on to their Family Search > website which will be of major interest to anyone researching in Pommern > (actually they loaded nine new collections) > > https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/show#uri=http://hr-search-api:8080/searchapi/search/collection/1874205 > > The LDS have digitised their collection of microfilms of Church Records > for Pommern. The images are now available on-line so you no longer have > to order them into your local LDS library. The original hardcopy of the > collection is in Greifswald. > > Happy Hunting > > David Armstrong > Maylands, > Western Australia >

The Duchy of Pomerania (Pommern) adopted the Protestant Reformation in 1534. In 1648, it was divided between Sweden and Brandenburg-Prussia. Prussia gradually acquired Swedish Pomerania, finishing the job in 1815. Then in 1945, the German population of eastern Pomerania was ethnically cleansed by Stalin when he shifted the German-Polish border westwards. The area was also devastated and substantially de-populated in the Thirty Years War (1618-1848). The records on the LDS site are Lutheran Church records David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Lorene Seman To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] New Pommern document collection LDS Familysearch Are these German records and/or Polish? The area used to be Poland and is now Poland, again, right? On 5/10/2011 9:08 AM, David Armstrong wrote: > G'day everyone > > Yesterday the LDS loaded a new collection on to their Family Search website which will be of major interest to anyone researching in Pommern (actually they loaded nine new collections) > > https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/show#uri=http://hr-search-api:8080/searchapi/search/collection/1874205 > > The LDS have digitised their collection of microfilms of Church Records for Pommern. The images are now available on-line so you no longer have to order them into your local LDS library. The original hardcopy of the collection is in Greifswald. > > Happy Hunting > > David Armstrong > Maylands, > Western Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Lorene Seman, MBA Assistant Administrator Department of Anesthesiology School of Medicine and Public Health University of Wisconsin 600 Highland Ave, B6/319 CSC Madison, WI 53792-3272 Voice: (608)265-0588 FAX: (608)263-8111 lmseman@wisc.edu ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

G'day everyone Yesterday the LDS loaded a new collection on to their Family Search website which will be of major interest to anyone researching in Pommern (actually they loaded nine new collections) https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/show#uri=http://hr-search-api:8080/searchapi/search/collection/1874205 The LDS have digitised their collection of microfilms of Church Records for Pommern. The images are now available on-line so you no longer have to order them into your local LDS library. The original hardcopy of the collection is in Greifswald. Happy Hunting David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia

Hi David, I was not able to find the Church Records for Pommern. When I search on 1874205 it is for Belgium. Can you give me instructions please. Thank you, Priscilla, Oregon ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 22:08:36 +0800 > From: "David Armstrong" <davidrli@iinet.net.au> > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] New Pommern document collection LDS > Familysearch > To: "Prussia List" <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <35E51DBA9AF843FBA2745677446EE196@discount6774a5> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > G'day everyone > > Yesterday the LDS loaded a new collection on to their Family Search > website which will be of major interest to anyone researching in Pommern > (actually they loaded nine new collections) > > https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/show#uri=http://hr-search-api:8080/searchapi/search/collection/1874205 > > The LDS have digitised their collection of microfilms of Church Records > for Pommern. The images are now available on-line so you no longer have > to order them into your local LDS library. The original hardcopy of the > collection is in Greifswald. > > Happy Hunting > > David Armstrong > Maylands, > Western Australia > > ------------------------------ > >

Hi Mark: I think we've had this discussion before. I wonder if you are talking about the original German area of Pomerania because according to the map Pomerania included some German areas? The area where my relatives come from was first Poland and my family's name in the 1600s through 1800 was a Polish spelling (Cyman), then Germany invaded in the 1800s and tried to close down the Catholic Church and forced everyone to speak German, and German became the standard language and not even stores could contain Polish spelling. Imagine older folks who spoke Polish their whole lives now needing to learn a new language. My relative's name was changed to Zieman, the German spelling and this German occupation was the reason for their immigration in 1868. When they got to the US, they changed their name back to Cyman and built churches where they could no longer be persecuted. Imagine the difficulty in finding my relatives church records in the old country because I was looking for Cyman; only after I did some research did I learn that their name was changed to the German spelling--along with the town names from Polish to German. But just because their last name was changed to a German spelling doesn't mean they were German. They were always Polish, even under German occupation. On 5/10/2011 9:49 AM, Mark F Rabideau wrote: > Hi Lorene > > The records are German.. the area was mostly German before it was > ethnically cleansed at the end of WW2 > > You may read a brief history here: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomerania > -- Lorene Seman, MBA Assistant Administrator Department of Anesthesiology School of Medicine and Public Health University of Wisconsin 600 Highland Ave, B6/319 CSC Madison, WI 53792-3272 Voice: (608)265-0588 FAX: (608)263-8111 lmseman@wisc.edu

Hi David These are very nice records although on my link they are slow to load and read. I was hoping they might have been indexed, but no such luck (yet!). Vielen dank fuer den Tip! -- Pax Vobiscum, ...mark (Mark Rabideau) ManyRoads Family Genealogist (Rabideau-Henss Family) Visit us at: http://many-roads.com Snail mail at: 711 Nob Hill Trail - Franktown,CO USA - 80116-8717 phone:+1.303.660.9400 fax:+1.303.660.9217 member:Association of Professional Genealogists & National Genealogical Society _____________________________________________________________________ "It’s always useful to know where a friend-and-relation is, whether you want him or whether you don’t." Rabbit, Pooh’s Little Instruction Book (Winnie the Pooh) -----Original Message----- From: David Armstrong <davidrli@iinet.net.au> Reply-to: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com To: Prussia List <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] New Pommern document collection LDS Familysearch Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 22:08:36 +0800 G'day everyone Yesterday the LDS loaded a new collection on to their Family Search website which will be of major interest to anyone researching in Pommern (actually they loaded nine new collections) https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/show#uri=http://hr-search-api:8080/searchapi/search/collection/1874205 The LDS have digitised their collection of microfilms of Church Records for Pommern. The images are now available on-line so you no longer have to order them into your local LDS library. The original hardcopy of the collection is in Greifswald. Happy Hunting David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message