Dear Jose, Thank you for all this additional information... I need to double check my data base...All this is very interesting with spouses killing spouses... wonder what the reason was, if any. I will toast you too for all the great help that you have so freely given and contributed... ABS, Prima Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2012 7:02:14 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Perestrelo Ancestry - Attn: Miguel Pat, I will get in the middle of this because I also posted something on this for Miguel and I need to correct it. There is a second  captain who was not a Perestrlo but had married a Perestrelo girl. It seems his mother-in-law ( Bartolomeu II's mother) sold him the island. Eventually the King restored Bartolomeu II's right. His son Bartolomeu III murdered his wife. She was Aldonça Delgado, a granddaughter of Zarco. eventually he was sent away and died in the Algarves. There is a first son named Garcia who unfortunately, like his father, murdered his wife. This happened while his father was still alive. It seems that he may have governed the "capitania" but was never recognized as captain. Thus Diogo, our magnificent and not a murder ancestor, inherited Porto Santo. The good thing here is that Diogo was not a Bartolomeu! That is confucing. Have I got this right?   José Fernandes ________________________________ From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> To: Prt-Madeira List Group <PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2012 5:53:13 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Perestrelo Ancestry - Attn: Miguel Hello Miguel, In matching your posted Perestrelo ancestry to what I have in my file I find the following possible error ***** I would appreicate your input... Pat You wrote the following: "BTW the name Perestrelo is the Portuguese version of  the Italian name Palestrelli - translation  "by or through the stars" . Apparently the first Palestrelli was a jewish astrologer...in the Italian "trecento".." "As many others with Madeiran ascendancies I also descend from Bartolomeu Perestrelo." "1) (I agree) Bartolomeu Perestrelo, 1º capitão –donatário da ilha do Porto Santo (1446), teve de sua 3ª mulher D. Isabel Moniz:" "2) (I agree) Bartolomeu Pesrestrelo, 2º capitão-donatário de Porto Santo (1473) casou com Guiomar Teixeira (filha de Trsitão Vaz), tiveram:" "3) (I agree) Bartolomeu Pesrestrelo, 3º Capit.-Donatário (1529) casou com Aldonça Câmara (neta paterna de João Gonçalves Zarco), tiveram:" NOTE: *****(It is here that I have Garcia Perestrelo being the son of Bartolomeu and Aldonca. ( I have Garcia C.c.  Maria Taveira, their line then continues with their son Diogo Soares Perestrelo C.c. Joana de Castro e Menezes).  "4) (I agree) Diogo Soares Perestrelo, 4º Cap.-don. (1545) casou com Joana de Castro e Menezes,tiveram:" ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jose, I'm having a bit of a problem following this. The line that you wrote, and which I copied below, is the one confusing me. >>There is a second captain who was not a Perestrlo but had married a Perestrelo girl. It seems his mother-in-law ( Bartolomeu II's mother) sold him the >>island. Eventually the King restored Bartolomeu II's right. So this is what I have from multiple sources: Bartholomeu Perestrelo (the 1st capitao) m. Isabel Monoiz Baretto their son Bartholmeu Perestrelo (2nd capitao-and my reason for not understanding the above-how is he not a Perestrelo??) married Guiomar Texiera and their son Bartholomeu Perestrelo married Aldonca Delgado Camara. ( I assume this Bartholmeu was the 3rd capitao??) Pat, All of this in agreement with what you have below. But then...I have a different take on the next generation. I show that while Bartholomeu and Aldonca did have a son named Diogo... Bartholomeu also had a second marriage with Solanda (daughter of Joao Teixeira and Felipa de Mendonca Furtado) and they also had a Diogo together. This second Diogo is the one thaqt I show married Maria Taveira. anyone care to chime in? and yes I am also descended from the original Bartholmeu Perestrelo. Cece ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2012 7:02:14 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Perestrelo Ancestry - Attn: Miguel Pat, I will get in the middle of this because I also posted something on this for Miguel and I need to correct it. There is a second captain who was not a Perestrlo but had married a Perestrelo girl. It seems his mother-in-law ( Bartolomeu II's mother) sold him the island. Eventually the King restored Bartolomeu II's right. His son Bartolomeu III murdered his wife. She was Aldonça Delgado, a granddaughter of Zarco. eventually he was sent away and died in the Algarves. There is a first son named Garcia who unfortunately, like his father, murdered his wife. This happened while his father was still alive. It seems that he may have governed the "capitania" but was never recognized as captain. Thus Diogo, our magnificent and not a murder ancestor, inherited Porto Santo. The good thing here is that Diogo was not a Bartolomeu! That is confucing. Have I got this right? José Fernandes ________________________________ From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> To: Prt-Madeira List Group <PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2012 5:53:13 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Perestrelo Ancestry - Attn: Miguel Hello Miguel, In matching your posted Perestrelo ancestry to what I have in my file I find the following possible error ***** I would appreicate your input... Pat You wrote the following: "BTW the name Perestrelo is the Portuguese version of the Italian name Palestrelli - translation "by or through the stars" . Apparently the first Palestrelli was a jewish astrologer...in the Italian "trecento".." "As many others with Madeiran ascendancies I also descend from Bartolomeu Perestrelo." "1) (I agree) Bartolomeu Perestrelo, 1º capitão –donatário da ilha do Porto Santo (1446), teve de sua 3ª mulher D. Isabel Moniz:" "2) (I agree) Bartolomeu Pesrestrelo, 2º capitão-donatário de Porto Santo (1473) casou com Guiomar Teixeira (filha de Trsitão Vaz), tiveram:" "3) (I agree) Bartolomeu Pesrestrelo, 3º Capit.-Donatário (1529) casou com Aldonça Câmara (neta paterna de João Gonçalves Zarco), tiveram:" NOTE: *****(It is here that I have Garcia Perestrelo being the son of Bartolomeu and Aldonca. ( I have Garcia C.c. Maria Taveira, their line then continues with their son Diogo Soares Perestrelo C.c. Joana de Castro e Menezes). "4) (I agree) Diogo Soares Perestrelo, 4º Cap.-don. (1545) casou com Joana de Castro e Menezes,tiveram:" ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2425/4984 - Release Date: 05/07/12