Hello Miguel! It is a pleasure to chat with you! Well while searching for relatives of the Braz family in the Arquivo Regional da Madeira database I didn't find family but in the same database in baptismal records I found 3 of the Brazao family name! I believe that my great great grandfathers name was Manuel de Freitas Braz(ao)!The 3 I found were as listed below! Son: Maria Joaquina Carolina Father: Manuel de Freitas Brazao Manuel de Freitas Brazao Vicente Teixeira Brazao Mother: Maria de Freitas Maria de Freitas Maria Joaquina de Freitas Parish: Faial Faial Faial Date: 09-08-1862 29-03-1860 08-04-1860 Book: 5854-A 5852-A 5852-A Leaf: 28 4-4v.0 4 v.o Comments: Setima do nome. Segunda do nome. none Now I know that the last one isn't Manuel but it could be a brother and his wife! So thats what makes me think in that direction! William ________________________________ From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, February 25, 2012 4:50:57 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Braz family research hello William, There are indeed some Freitas Brasão (or Brazão) in Madeira. As well as some Freitas Brás (in the 19 th century). It could be possibleh the spelling of Brasão - which to sound laproximately) in Portuguese would have to be written Brazaungh - was shortened to Brás or Braz. In that time, in Poruguese both brasão and Brás were written with "z", so:. Brazão and Braz. What kind of indications that he was Brasão do you have? It's crucial to be sure of his name, because you can be part of the Brás or the Brasão. Other point to investigate is where was João de Freitas Brás (or Brasão) from? Knowing his bith place can help a lot, because the Freitas Brás are from one freguesia (kind pf district) the Freitas Brasão from another, The change of the name from Braz to Freitas is not strange. Do not expect a lot of logic in Portuguese names along one given family. In America (and cultural areas influenced by it) normally you just have name and surname. It's a good idea to exercise your head in thinking how they thought in that time ; -) Not quite like today. Genealogy lingks with philology, sociology, general psychological and history of course. It's a fun ride, anyway. Best of luck, Cheers, Miguel de Castro Henriques. On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 10:09 PM, William <wmonk@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Thank you very much Jose! > There are some indications that Braz is actually Brazao! > I am new at this especially the verification part so I must totally rely of > others for now! > My mothers family is especially hard as her father was Chinese (Mun Chin > Kung) > was some 13 years older than my grandmother Antonia Freitas! > They were married in Hanalei, Kauai, Hawii but the parents were listed as > her > brother and sister on the marriage certificate! > Strange I know but so was the name change from Braz to Freitas in the next > generation! > It will take a while until I can get my head around on this!!!! > Sometimes I think I must place myself back in time so I can understand how > they > thought back then! > I am deffinately a work in progress when it comes to finding relatives! > Again ...Thank You! > > William > > > > > ________________________________ > From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> > To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, February 25, 2012 10:42:28 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Braz family research > > William, > When it comes to Hawaii, one of the experts on this list is Thomas de > Freitas. I am assuming that he will join the discussion soon or later. > For the moment just some info for your consideration: > -Braz may be also spelled as Brás although I think Bráz may be more current > -John was baptised as João > -Cordoza should be Cardoso or in this case Cardosa. So her father would > have > been Francisco Gonçalves Cardoso/a de Jesus. Are you sure he also carried > Jesus? > -you don't have a parish for your ancestors. It is possible the Braz > family > acquired a passport. It perhaps should be listed . An archive search may > give > you something. See www.arquivo-madeira.org > -Maria's father, if he was a whaler he should be from Caniçal in the > Machico > district. This was certainly the whaling centre in the early 20th > century, but > there might be other possibilities. > When i have an opportunity I will also look in the archives. If I get > something > I will let you know. > > José Fernandes > > > > > ________________________________ > From: William <wmonk@sbcglobal.net> > To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 11:28:09 PM > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Braz family research > > Hi! > I am trying to find relatives in the de Freitas Braz clan! > My great grand father was John Freitas Braz 1866 Madeira, Portugal who > immigrated to Hawaii as a child! > He died in 1937 in Kilauea, Kauai, Hawaii! > John Freitas Braz married Maria Cordoza de Jesus about 1887-1888 when she > was > 18! > Maria was born May 20, 1869 in Madeira, Portugal and died Jan. 29, 1948! > Maria's father was Francisco Gonzales Cordoza de Jesus, a whaler from > Madeira, > Portugal. > My grandmother was Antonia Freitas Kung born Jan. 3, 1901 in Kilauea, > Kauai, > Hawaii died June 21, 1979 in Honolulu, Hawaii! > My grandmother was buried at Diamond Head Memorial Park! > Any connection you can find would be greatly appreciated! > > Thank You! > > William Monk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
William, the message was a bit disjointed (at least in my computer). Note my previous note to Miguel. Faial is just next to S Jorge, so the location is very probable. have you checked the passport list? José Fernandes ________________________________ From: William <wmonk@sbcglobal.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 8:42:01 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Braz family research Hello Miguel! It is a pleasure to chat with you! Well while searching for relatives of the Braz family in the Arquivo Regional da Madeira database I didn't find family but in the same database in baptismal records I found 3 of the Brazao family name! I believe that my great great grandfathers name was Manuel de Freitas Braz(ao)!The 3 I found were as listed below! Son: Maria Joaquina Carolina Father: Manuel de Freitas Brazao Manuel de Freitas Brazao Vicente Teixeira Brazao Mother: Maria de Freitas Maria de Freitas Maria Joaquina de Freitas Parish: Faial Faial Faial Date: 09-08-1862 29-03-1860 08-04-1860 Book: 5854-A 5852-A 5852-A Leaf: 28 4-4v.0 4 v.o Comments: Setima do nome. Segunda do nome. none Now I know that the last one isn't Manuel but it could be a brother and his wife! So thats what makes me think in that direction! William ________________________________ From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, February 25, 2012 4:50:57 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Braz family research hello William, There are indeed some Freitas Brasão (or Brazão) in Madeira. As well as some Freitas Brás (in the 19 th century). It could be possibleh the spelling of Brasão - which to sound laproximately) in Portuguese would have to be written Brazaungh - was shortened to Brás or Braz. In that time, in Poruguese both brasão and Brás were written with "z", so:. Brazão and Braz. What kind of indications that he was Brasão do you have? It's crucial to be sure of his name, because you can be part of the Brás or the Brasão. Other point to investigate is where was João de Freitas Brás (or Brasão) from? Knowing his bith place can help a lot, because the Freitas Brás are from one freguesia (kind pf district) the Freitas Brasão from another, The change of the name from Braz to Freitas is not strange. Do not expect a lot of logic in Portuguese names along one given family. In America (and cultural areas influenced by it) normally you just have name and surname. It's a good idea to exercise your head in thinking how they thought in that time ; -) Not quite like today. Genealogy lingks with philology, sociology, general psychological and history of course. It's a fun ride, anyway. Best of luck, Cheers, Miguel de Castro Henriques. On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 10:09 PM, William <wmonk@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Thank you very much Jose! > There are some indications that Braz is actually Brazao! > I am new at this especially the verification part so I must totally rely of > others for now! > My mothers family is especially hard as her father was Chinese (Mun Chin > Kung) > was some 13 years older than my grandmother Antonia Freitas! > They were married in Hanalei, Kauai, Hawii but the parents were listed as > her > brother and sister on the marriage certificate! > Strange I know but so was the name change from Braz to Freitas in the next > generation! > It will take a while until I can get my head around on this!!!! > Sometimes I think I must place myself back in time so I can understand how > they > thought back then! > I am deffinately a work in progress when it comes to finding relatives! > Again ...Thank You! > > William > > > > > ________________________________ > From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> > To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, February 25, 2012 10:42:28 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Braz family research > > William, > When it comes to Hawaii, one of the experts on this list is Thomas de > Freitas. I am assuming that he will join the discussion soon or later. > For the moment just some info for your consideration: > -Braz may be also spelled as Brás although I think Bráz may be more current > -John was baptised as João > -Cordoza should be Cardoso or in this case Cardosa. So her father would > have > been Francisco Gonçalves Cardoso/a de Jesus. Are you sure he also carried > Jesus? > -you don't have a parish for your ancestors. It is possible the Braz > family > acquired a passport. It perhaps should be listed . An archive search may > give > you something. See www.arquivo-madeira.org > -Maria's father, if he was a whaler he should be from Caniçal in the > Machico > district. This was certainly the whaling centre in the early 20th > century, but > there might be other possibilities. > When i have an opportunity I will also look in the archives. If I get > something > I will let you know. > > José Fernandes > > > > > ________________________________ > From: William <wmonk@sbcglobal.net> > To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 11:28:09 PM > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Braz family research > > Hi! > I am trying to find relatives in the de Freitas Braz clan! > My great grand father was John Freitas Braz 1866 Madeira, Portugal who > immigrated to Hawaii as a child! > He died in 1937 in Kilauea, Kauai, Hawaii! > John Freitas Braz married Maria Cordoza de Jesus about 1887-1888 when she > was > 18! > Maria was born May 20, 1869 in Madeira, Portugal and died Jan. 29, 1948! > Maria's father was Francisco Gonzales Cordoza de Jesus, a whaler from > Madeira, > Portugal. > My grandmother was Antonia Freitas Kung born Jan. 3, 1901 in Kilauea, > Kauai, > Hawaii died June 21, 1979 in Honolulu, Hawaii! > My grandmother was buried at Diamond Head Memorial Park! > Any connection you can find would be greatly appreciated! > > Thank You! > > William Monk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message