Dear Lou: Included me in the d.Abreu clan in Campanario Madeira. My great grandfathers family. D. Abreu Faria. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Abreu" <labreu@cablespeed.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > Pat, > > My my....:) left view???? Hahahah Luis does have an absolute right > to his views even if they are left of center. I am still convinced our > Abreu lines connect somewhere...just haven't figured out where yet, I am > convinced all the Abreu's on the island are related. Hope all is well > with you. > > Lou > > "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected > will never know" > > " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" > > > A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer > replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people > died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of papagaia2 > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:29 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > Hi Margaret, > Luis is harmless, he so often likes to add "spice," to a posting... I > have > had my share of "heated discussions," with him.. Your posting focused on > > genealogy and how to obtain records... if we were not proud of our > Portuguese ancestry, (the good and the bad) we would not be so involved > in > finding/learning about them... It's possible that Luis KW's years spent > in > a USA College gave him only the "left side of view," of our > history...Luis > and I share common ancestry, though centuries removed, his family > elected to > remain in Portugal, and mine migrated to the USA... > Proud to be an American > Proud to have Portuguese blood running through my veins. > Pat Silva Corbera > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Margaret" <marpg2000@comcast.net> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:36 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > > > Dear Lou Abreu: > > > > You are very correct. I didnot make a statement to Mr. Luis. One of > the > > members asked about getting records from Africa and I stated that > because > > of > > the upheaval at that time that the records were probably destroyed. > Many > > people had to flee. Why Luis responded to me is a mystery. Does he > use > > the > > site for more than an informative purpose. Why ? > > > > Margaret > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lou Abreu" <labreu@cablespeed.com> > > To: <luis_k_w@clix.pt>; <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:18 PM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > > > > >> This is a genealogy group right, not one for political/personal > >> views????? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luis K W > >> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:54 PM > >> To: marpg2000@comcast.net; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > >> > >> Dear Margaret, > >> I don't know if I like what you wrote.... > >> > >> Our point of views are a little bit different. > >> > >> According to most of us, THE U.S. wanted the Portuguese to handover > >> Angola > >> AND Mozambique to the communists, but the Portuguese decided to fight > >> back. > >> The war lasted for over 12 years. > >> And the funny thing is that, NOT like the US in Vietnam, the > Portuguese > >> were winning this war. > >> > >> Remember, Portugal was the LAST European country to leave its > colonies > >> in > >> Africa (and it was the first to claim them, 500 years ago). > >> When the right-wing government fell - due to the 1974 coup - the most > >> important decision of the new Government was to give the colonies > away, > >> to > >> their "representatives",i.e., to those who were some days before > called > >> "terrorists" by some, and later "freedom fighters". Ok... they tryed > to > >> organize elections, but we all knew who was going to win. > >> > >> I hope you noticed that I wrote that the "independance of the > colonies" > >> was > >> a decision of the Portuguese Government. The portuguese never felt > they > >> were defeated by the foreign countries (USSR and sattelites, China, > and > >> - > >> why not? - the US, France, the Nordic European countries, etc) that > were > >> supporting the local guerrillas. > >> > >> So, because they were afraid of what was coming, many "portuguese" - > >> i.e. > >> WHITE, BLACK AND INDIAN portuguese - decided to leave the country. > Most > >> came to Portugal (mainland), many went to South Africa, Americas, > etc. > >> > >> And these "retornados" (those who came back home, although many, nor > >> their > >> ancestors, had never seen Portugal before) were damn right. Soon, the > >> war > >> took over Angola and Mozambique for almost one generation! > >> > >> As we didn't have to leave in a rush (like the Americans from > Saigon), > >> we > >> had all the time to organize the transportation of the the government > >> officials, the documents, files, etc. > >> That's why most relevant documents (or their copies) are (safe) in > >> Lisbon. > >> > >> Luis K W > >> Lisboa-Portugal > >> ---------- > >> > From: Margaret <marpg2000@comcast.net> > >> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > >> > Date: Quinta-feira, 28 de Setembro de 2006 16:57 > >> > > >> > Dear Marcia and Roland: > >> > > >> > The Portuguese fled Lourenco Marques in the "70's and relocated in > >> Portugal. > >> > Perhaps their records were taken and given to the Portuguese > >> government. > >> I > >> > would suggest that you contact the Archives there and see if they > are > >> > available. We saw many of the refugees in Madeira in the early > >> "70's. > >> > They were very sorry that they had to leave because they had > >> opportunities > >> > there that they had to leave behind. > >> > > >> > Many government officials fled and I feel that perhaps they took > >> valuable > >> > information with them. You may find that your uncle is in Madeira. > >> Housing > >> > was found for the refugees and he very well may be thriving in > >> Madeira. > >> > > >> > Best of wishes > >> > Margaret > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Marcia & Roland" <roland1@wol.co.za> > >> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 10:03 AM > >> > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > >> > > >> > > >> > > Dear List > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Does anybody have any idea how I would go about doing research in > >> > Mozambique > >> > > (Maputo - previously Lourenco Marques). We have discovered that > my > >> > > great-grandmother had a brother who came through from Portugal > and > >> settled > >> > > in the then Lourenco Marques. He had a restaurant/hotel called > The > >> Lido. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Thanks. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Kind regards, > >> > > > >> > > Marcia Bezuidenhout > >> > > > >> > > South Africa > >> > > > >> > > Researching: Serena, Vieira, De Abreu, Caldeira > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message