Hi Margaret, Luis is harmless, he so often likes to add "spice," to a posting... I have had my share of "heated discussions," with him.. Your posting focused on genealogy and how to obtain records... if we were not proud of our Portuguese ancestry, (the good and the bad) we would not be so involved in finding/learning about them... It's possible that Luis KW's years spent in a USA College gave him only the "left side of view," of our history...Luis and I share common ancestry, though centuries removed, his family elected to remain in Portugal, and mine migrated to the USA... Proud to be an American Proud to have Portuguese blood running through my veins. Pat Silva Corbera ---- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret" <marpg2000@comcast.net> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > Dear Lou Abreu: > > You are very correct. I didnot make a statement to Mr. Luis. One of the > members asked about getting records from Africa and I stated that because > of > the upheaval at that time that the records were probably destroyed. Many > people had to flee. Why Luis responded to me is a mystery. Does he use > the > site for more than an informative purpose. Why ? > > Margaret > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lou Abreu" <labreu@cablespeed.com> > To: <luis_k_w@clix.pt>; <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:18 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > >> This is a genealogy group right, not one for political/personal >> views????? >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luis K W >> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:54 PM >> To: marpg2000@comcast.net; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research >> >> Dear Margaret, >> I don't know if I like what you wrote.... >> >> Our point of views are a little bit different. >> >> According to most of us, THE U.S. wanted the Portuguese to handover >> Angola >> AND Mozambique to the communists, but the Portuguese decided to fight >> back. >> The war lasted for over 12 years. >> And the funny thing is that, NOT like the US in Vietnam, the Portuguese >> were winning this war. >> >> Remember, Portugal was the LAST European country to leave its colonies >> in >> Africa (and it was the first to claim them, 500 years ago). >> When the right-wing government fell - due to the 1974 coup - the most >> important decision of the new Government was to give the colonies away, >> to >> their "representatives",i.e., to those who were some days before called >> "terrorists" by some, and later "freedom fighters". Ok... they tryed to >> organize elections, but we all knew who was going to win. >> >> I hope you noticed that I wrote that the "independance of the colonies" >> was >> a decision of the Portuguese Government. The portuguese never felt they >> were defeated by the foreign countries (USSR and sattelites, China, and >> - >> why not? - the US, France, the Nordic European countries, etc) that were >> supporting the local guerrillas. >> >> So, because they were afraid of what was coming, many "portuguese" - >> i.e. >> WHITE, BLACK AND INDIAN portuguese - decided to leave the country. Most >> came to Portugal (mainland), many went to South Africa, Americas, etc. >> >> And these "retornados" (those who came back home, although many, nor >> their >> ancestors, had never seen Portugal before) were damn right. Soon, the >> war >> took over Angola and Mozambique for almost one generation! >> >> As we didn't have to leave in a rush (like the Americans from Saigon), >> we >> had all the time to organize the transportation of the the government >> officials, the documents, files, etc. >> That's why most relevant documents (or their copies) are (safe) in >> Lisbon. >> >> Luis K W >> Lisboa-Portugal >> ---------- >> > From: Margaret <marpg2000@comcast.net> >> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research >> > Date: Quinta-feira, 28 de Setembro de 2006 16:57 >> > >> > Dear Marcia and Roland: >> > >> > The Portuguese fled Lourenco Marques in the "70's and relocated in >> Portugal. >> > Perhaps their records were taken and given to the Portuguese >> government. >> I >> > would suggest that you contact the Archives there and see if they are >> > available. We saw many of the refugees in Madeira in the early >> "70's. >> > They were very sorry that they had to leave because they had >> opportunities >> > there that they had to leave behind. >> > >> > Many government officials fled and I feel that perhaps they took >> valuable >> > information with them. You may find that your uncle is in Madeira. >> Housing >> > was found for the refugees and he very well may be thriving in >> Madeira. >> > >> > Best of wishes >> > Margaret >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Marcia & Roland" <roland1@wol.co.za> >> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 10:03 AM >> > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research >> > >> > >> > > Dear List >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Does anybody have any idea how I would go about doing research in >> > Mozambique >> > > (Maputo - previously Lourenco Marques). We have discovered that my >> > > great-grandmother had a brother who came through from Portugal and >> settled >> > > in the then Lourenco Marques. He had a restaurant/hotel called The >> Lido. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Thanks. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Kind regards, >> > > >> > > Marcia Bezuidenhout >> > > >> > > South Africa >> > > >> > > Researching: Serena, Vieira, De Abreu, Caldeira >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Pat, My my....:) left view???? Hahahah Luis does have an absolute right to his views even if they are left of center. I am still convinced our Abreu lines connect somewhere...just haven't figured out where yet, I am convinced all the Abreu's on the island are related. Hope all is well with you. Lou "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected will never know" " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of papagaia2 Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:29 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research Hi Margaret, Luis is harmless, he so often likes to add "spice," to a posting... I have had my share of "heated discussions," with him.. Your posting focused on genealogy and how to obtain records... if we were not proud of our Portuguese ancestry, (the good and the bad) we would not be so involved in finding/learning about them... It's possible that Luis KW's years spent in a USA College gave him only the "left side of view," of our history...Luis and I share common ancestry, though centuries removed, his family elected to remain in Portugal, and mine migrated to the USA... Proud to be an American Proud to have Portuguese blood running through my veins. Pat Silva Corbera ---- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret" <marpg2000@comcast.net> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > Dear Lou Abreu: > > You are very correct. I didnot make a statement to Mr. Luis. One of the > members asked about getting records from Africa and I stated that because > of > the upheaval at that time that the records were probably destroyed. Many > people had to flee. Why Luis responded to me is a mystery. Does he use > the > site for more than an informative purpose. Why ? > > Margaret > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lou Abreu" <labreu@cablespeed.com> > To: <luis_k_w@clix.pt>; <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:18 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > >> This is a genealogy group right, not one for political/personal >> views????? >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luis K W >> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:54 PM >> To: marpg2000@comcast.net; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research >> >> Dear Margaret, >> I don't know if I like what you wrote.... >> >> Our point of views are a little bit different. >> >> According to most of us, THE U.S. wanted the Portuguese to handover >> Angola >> AND Mozambique to the communists, but the Portuguese decided to fight >> back. >> The war lasted for over 12 years. >> And the funny thing is that, NOT like the US in Vietnam, the Portuguese >> were winning this war. >> >> Remember, Portugal was the LAST European country to leave its colonies >> in >> Africa (and it was the first to claim them, 500 years ago). >> When the right-wing government fell - due to the 1974 coup - the most >> important decision of the new Government was to give the colonies away, >> to >> their "representatives",i.e., to those who were some days before called >> "terrorists" by some, and later "freedom fighters". Ok... they tryed to >> organize elections, but we all knew who was going to win. >> >> I hope you noticed that I wrote that the "independance of the colonies" >> was >> a decision of the Portuguese Government. The portuguese never felt they >> were defeated by the foreign countries (USSR and sattelites, China, and >> - >> why not? - the US, France, the Nordic European countries, etc) that were >> supporting the local guerrillas. >> >> So, because they were afraid of what was coming, many "portuguese" - >> i.e. >> WHITE, BLACK AND INDIAN portuguese - decided to leave the country. Most >> came to Portugal (mainland), many went to South Africa, Americas, etc. >> >> And these "retornados" (those who came back home, although many, nor >> their >> ancestors, had never seen Portugal before) were damn right. Soon, the >> war >> took over Angola and Mozambique for almost one generation! >> >> As we didn't have to leave in a rush (like the Americans from Saigon), >> we >> had all the time to organize the transportation of the the government >> officials, the documents, files, etc. >> That's why most relevant documents (or their copies) are (safe) in >> Lisbon. >> >> Luis K W >> Lisboa-Portugal >> ---------- >> > From: Margaret <marpg2000@comcast.net> >> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research >> > Date: Quinta-feira, 28 de Setembro de 2006 16:57 >> > >> > Dear Marcia and Roland: >> > >> > The Portuguese fled Lourenco Marques in the "70's and relocated in >> Portugal. >> > Perhaps their records were taken and given to the Portuguese >> government. >> I >> > would suggest that you contact the Archives there and see if they are >> > available. We saw many of the refugees in Madeira in the early >> "70's. >> > They were very sorry that they had to leave because they had >> opportunities >> > there that they had to leave behind. >> > >> > Many government officials fled and I feel that perhaps they took >> valuable >> > information with them. You may find that your uncle is in Madeira. >> Housing >> > was found for the refugees and he very well may be thriving in >> Madeira. >> > >> > Best of wishes >> > Margaret >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Marcia & Roland" <roland1@wol.co.za> >> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 10:03 AM >> > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research >> > >> > >> > > Dear List >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Does anybody have any idea how I would go about doing research in >> > Mozambique >> > > (Maputo - previously Lourenco Marques). We have discovered that my >> > > great-grandmother had a brother who came through from Portugal and >> settled >> > > in the then Lourenco Marques. He had a restaurant/hotel called The >> Lido. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Thanks. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Kind regards, >> > > >> > > Marcia Bezuidenhout >> > > >> > > South Africa >> > > >> > > Researching: Serena, Vieira, De Abreu, Caldeira >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lou, You're more than right... Luis K.W. does have a right to his views.... If I didn't think that I wouldn't have added my "two cents." ;--)... Most likely we do share common ancestry... All is well at this end hope the same for you and your family. Pat p.s. Luis has Abreu ancestry also... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Abreu" <labreu@cablespeed.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > Pat, > > My my....:) left view???? Hahahah Luis does have an absolute right > to his views even if they are left of center. I am still convinced our > Abreu lines connect somewhere...just haven't figured out where yet, I am > convinced all the Abreu's on the island are related. Hope all is well > with you. > > Lou > > "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected > will never know" > > " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" > > > A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer > replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people > died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of papagaia2 > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:29 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > Hi Margaret, > Luis is harmless, he so often likes to add "spice," to a posting... I > have > had my share of "heated discussions," with him.. Your posting focused on > > genealogy and how to obtain records... if we were not proud of our > Portuguese ancestry, (the good and the bad) we would not be so involved > in > finding/learning about them... It's possible that Luis KW's years spent > in > a USA College gave him only the "left side of view," of our > history...Luis > and I share common ancestry, though centuries removed, his family > elected to > remain in Portugal, and mine migrated to the USA... > Proud to be an American > Proud to have Portuguese blood running through my veins. > Pat Silva Corbera > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Margaret" <marpg2000@comcast.net> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:36 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research > > >> Dear Lou Abreu: >> >> You are very correct. I didnot make a statement to Mr. Luis. One of > the >> members asked about getting records from Africa and I stated that > because >> of >> the upheaval at that time that the records were probably destroyed. > Many >> people had to flee. Why Luis responded to me is a mystery. Does he > use >> the >> site for more than an informative purpose. Why ? >> >> Margaret >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lou Abreu" <labreu@cablespeed.com> >> To: <luis_k_w@clix.pt>; <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:18 PM >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research >> >> >>> This is a genealogy group right, not one for political/personal >>> views????? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luis K W >>> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:54 PM >>> To: marpg2000@comcast.net; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research >>> >>> Dear Margaret, >>> I don't know if I like what you wrote.... >>> >>> Our point of views are a little bit different. >>> >>> According to most of us, THE U.S. wanted the Portuguese to handover >>> Angola >>> AND Mozambique to the communists, but the Portuguese decided to fight >>> back. >>> The war lasted for over 12 years. >>> And the funny thing is that, NOT like the US in Vietnam, the > Portuguese >>> were winning this war. >>> >>> Remember, Portugal was the LAST European country to leave its > colonies >>> in >>> Africa (and it was the first to claim them, 500 years ago). >>> When the right-wing government fell - due to the 1974 coup - the most >>> important decision of the new Government was to give the colonies > away, >>> to >>> their "representatives",i.e., to those who were some days before > called >>> "terrorists" by some, and later "freedom fighters". Ok... they tryed > to >>> organize elections, but we all knew who was going to win. >>> >>> I hope you noticed that I wrote that the "independance of the > colonies" >>> was >>> a decision of the Portuguese Government. The portuguese never felt > they >>> were defeated by the foreign countries (USSR and sattelites, China, > and >>> - >>> why not? - the US, France, the Nordic European countries, etc) that > were >>> supporting the local guerrillas. >>> >>> So, because they were afraid of what was coming, many "portuguese" - >>> i.e. >>> WHITE, BLACK AND INDIAN portuguese - decided to leave the country. > Most >>> came to Portugal (mainland), many went to South Africa, Americas, > etc. >>> >>> And these "retornados" (those who came back home, although many, nor >>> their >>> ancestors, had never seen Portugal before) were damn right. Soon, the >>> war >>> took over Angola and Mozambique for almost one generation! >>> >>> As we didn't have to leave in a rush (like the Americans from > Saigon), >>> we >>> had all the time to organize the transportation of the the government >>> officials, the documents, files, etc. >>> That's why most relevant documents (or their copies) are (safe) in >>> Lisbon. >>> >>> Luis K W >>> Lisboa-Portugal >>> ---------- >>> > From: Margaret <marpg2000@comcast.net> >>> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >>> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research >>> > Date: Quinta-feira, 28 de Setembro de 2006 16:57 >>> > >>> > Dear Marcia and Roland: >>> > >>> > The Portuguese fled Lourenco Marques in the "70's and relocated in >>> Portugal. >>> > Perhaps their records were taken and given to the Portuguese >>> government. >>> I >>> > would suggest that you contact the Archives there and see if they > are >>> > available. We saw many of the refugees in Madeira in the early >>> "70's. >>> > They were very sorry that they had to leave because they had >>> opportunities >>> > there that they had to leave behind. >>> > >>> > Many government officials fled and I feel that perhaps they took >>> valuable >>> > information with them. You may find that your uncle is in Madeira. >>> Housing >>> > was found for the refugees and he very well may be thriving in >>> Madeira. >>> > >>> > Best of wishes >>> > Margaret >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "Marcia & Roland" <roland1@wol.co.za> >>> > To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 10:03 AM >>> > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Mozambique (Portuguese) Research >>> > >>> > >>> > > Dear List >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Does anybody have any idea how I would go about doing research in >>> > Mozambique >>> > > (Maputo - previously Lourenco Marques). We have discovered that > my >>> > > great-grandmother had a brother who came through from Portugal > and >>> settled >>> > > in the then Lourenco Marques. He had a restaurant/hotel called > The >>> Lido. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Thanks. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Kind regards, >>> > > >>> > > Marcia Bezuidenhout >>> > > >>> > > South Africa >>> > > >>> > > Researching: Serena, Vieira, De Abreu, Caldeira >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >