Denise, I've seen the marriage record for Manuel Pereira de Oliveira and Maria Carolina, and there is a problem. The groom is said to be born on 1842, but their parents seem to be married at 1858, when he was already 16 years old. I'll check the 1858 record anyway, as I'm interested on that Pereira de Oliveira family, but do you find this to be probable, from what you know about your family history? Paulo -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio