Hi, Paulo. You ask a very good question: "MB, how do you know that Gaspar Rodrigeus de Gouveia was son of Manuel de Gouveia and Maria dos Reis? The Rodrigues de Gouveia genealogy assigns him to a different couple, Gaspar de Gouveia Pacheco and Maria da Fonseca. If I well recall the record of the marriage between Gaspar and Maria Gomes Jardim was in bad state, and I barely could read that he had a former marriage with Sebastiana de Freitas, and don't recall any reference to who his parents were." I will need to research this, and since I don't have a copy of the record now, I assume I made some kind of error. I collected a lot of this Madeira info when I went to Salt Lake City for a week back in 2000 to do research. When I would go back to the hotel around 9 or 10 at night (after 12-hour genealogy marathons), I would try to stay awake long enough to put all the new information into my databases and properly source everything. Because I was going so fast on this info, I'm sure I have made some errors. Let me look at this and post later. Thanks! Michelle --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page

Michelle, Could it be that you got their names from Mateus Pereira da Silva marriage? The Manuel Ferreira de Gouveia & Maria dos Reis couple DO exist. They are featured on §3 of the mentioned Rodrigues de Gouveia genealogy. And while Con. Menezes Vaz don't gives any Gaspar as their son, they had a son named Manuel Rodrigues de Gouveia, who married a Maria Rodrigues at 1698. This couple had a son named Gaspar Rodrigues de Gouveia, married to Maria Gomes around 1730, this according to the R.G. genealogy. This couple, Gaspar & Maria, could easily be mistaken for the other Gaspar R. de Gouveia & Maria Gomes Jardim, *if they are not the same* in the end. These Gomes Jardim are starting to be a biiiig headache. :) Paulo On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:59:04 -0800 (PST), M B <mb_mhamid@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi, Paulo. You ask a very good question: > "MB, how do you know that Gaspar Rodrigeus de Gouveia was son of Manuel > de Gouveia and Maria dos Reis? The Rodrigues de Gouveia genealogy > assigns him to a different couple, Gaspar de Gouveia Pacheco and Maria > da Fonseca. If I well recall the record of the marriage between Gaspar > and Maria Gomes Jardim was in bad state, and I barely could read that he > had a former marriage with Sebastiana de Freitas, and don't recall any > reference to who his parents were." > > I will need to research this, and since I don't have a copy of the > record now, I assume I made some kind of error. I collected a lot of > this Madeira info when I went to Salt Lake City for a week back in 2000 > to do research. When I would go back to the hotel around 9 or 10 at > night (after 12-hour genealogy marathons), I would try to stay awake > long enough to put all the new information into my databases and > properly source everything. Because I was going so fast on this info, > I'm sure I have made some errors. Let me look at this and post later. > > Thanks! > > Michelle -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio