LOL Cece -----Original Message----- From: Paulo Gomes Jardim [mailto:darwin@spamcop.net] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 8:20 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRT-MADEIRA] Manuel da Silva (son of Manuel da Silva and Ignacia das Neves); Baiao family MB, Your Manuel is my André! He married Paula Gomes Jardim, daughter of Francisco de Gouveia and Francisca Gomes (Jardim). Parents of Josefa GOMES DA SILVA, who married Manuel rodrigues Gil at 26 aug 1715, Stº António. This couple were parents of Maria Gomes, who married Manuel Gomes Malho, from the Stº António GOMES MALHO family at 1739. Where have you seen his name wrote as "Manuel da Silva"? Could it be that you have mistaken his name while inserting him on teh databas, and that you actually *have* the information on his marriage, only under a different name? About the Baiões, there's a genealogy on NESOS, but it only features 3 generations on the direct line, and don't even mentions this individual, probably because he has been assigned to the wrong couple for a very long time (since HHN). This, of course, if my reconstruction is correct. I'll send it to the list, probably today, so you can check it and compare it to what is stated on the nobiliaries. I don't believe you'll have much luck looking for those individuals on the church books because they were from Porto Santo, and those books were burned by the Argelin pirates when they attacked the island on late 17th century. As for two widows marrying each other, and then the sons of former marriages marrying between themselves, you should ask Cece, she certainly knows a lot about those situations. ;) Paulo On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:50:05 -0800 (PST), M B <mb_mhamid@yahoo.com> wrote: > (Sorry! I get these emails in digest form, so I can't respond to > individual emails. ) > Paulo: > In an earlier, post you wrote "About Manuel Gomes da Silva..... he is > very probably another Baião, son of that Manuel da Silva and Inácia das > Neves (Romão), which we talked about in a recent post. That's the only > situation where I've seen Romão mixed up with Silva, and the chronology > is right on the spot. I don't know where the Gomes came from, but it > could have to do with the ancestry of Inácia das Neves, which is almost > unknown." > I do have a Manuel da Silva, son of Manuel da Silva and Ignacia das > Neves, but he married Paula Gomes (April 21, 1697, in Santo Antonio), > not Maria Gomes Jardim, as Karen noted in her post. Could this Manuel > have had two wives during his life? > Regarding the Andre da Silva Romao you mentioned (son of Manuel da Silva > and Inacia das Neves), can you please post some info on him? For some > reason, I didn't include anything about him in the Manuel and Inacia > family. I know I saw his marriage record at one point, because I > estimated Inacia's death date as "before April 21, 1697" based on his > marriage record on that date, stating she was deceased. Do you have the > book and page number for Andre's marriage record? Who did he marry? > --------- > Also, you mention the Baiao family of Porto Santo. Are any of these > records online? I won't have access to microfilms until this fall and > am just wondering if there is some place I can start online. > --------- > And to totally confuse myself and everyone else (my eyes are starting to > cross).... Both Manuel Martins Pereira and Maria Gomes Jardim were > married twice. Their children from their 1st marriages (obviously not > blood-related) ended up getting married. Does this make sense? Here is > what I have: > Manuel Martins Pereira m. Paula da Silva before 1701. > --> They had Mateus Pereira da Silva, born 1701. > Meanwhile, Maria Gomes Jardim m. Gaspar de Gouveia before 1714. > --> They had Inacia Gomes Jardim, born 1714. > I guess Paula da Silva (from couple 1 above) and Gaspar de Gouveia (from > couple 2) die. In 1722, Manuel Martins Pereira and Maria Gomes Jardim > get married. > Now the weird part happens: In 1733, their respective children, Mateus > Pereira da Silva marries Inacia Gomes Jardim. He would have been 32 and > she would have been 19. They would not have been half-siblings, since > they didn't share the same parents. But does this seem a bit weird? > I've never seen anything like this before. > > Thanks! > Michelle > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx