Did I not write it down? Sorry about that, that was on the lds site www.familysearch.org it is in microfilm form, so you could order the microfilm if you think it will help you. Luis Duane DeMello <CasaDeMello@comcast.net> wrote: Luis: Where did you get the 1890 Census on Hilo from? I am having trouble finding anyone on both Ancestry.com census records and HeritageQuest census records. Once again, thank you very much for the assistance. Cheers, Duane -----Original Message----- From: Luis Beal [mailto:luisbeal@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 5:22 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PRT-MADEIRA] Re: Curubina I'm glad you figured out where he came from. Let me know if there is anything else I can help you with. Luis Duane DeMello wrote: Luis: In response to your questions, I will start off with what I know for sure, based on my personal primary sources. After that, a little tribal memory creeps in based upon comments from my late Aunt Mary. 1) Copy of Marriage Certificate (Testificacao de Casamento), St. Joseph's, Hilo, 5 Dec 1897, Manoel de MELLO marries Maria Louisa da REIS. 2) Copy of "Record of Marriages," Hilo, Manoel lists his parents as father, "J. de Mello," mother, "C. de Mello." 3) Copy of Death Certificate, Manuel DeMello (born 25 Feb 1875, St. Michael, the Azores), 3448 Haven Street, Oakland, Ca., 26 August 1934. Wife - Mary DeMello. Father - John DeMello. Mother - Unknown, but from St. Michael also. Length of time in U.S., 29 years (1905). Burial - St. Mary's Cemetary, Oakland, Ca. 4) Copy of 1900 Federal Census, Hilo, Hawaii, T623 Roll 1834 Pg 43, 12 Jun 1900, Line 22-24: Manuel de Mello (head), born 1876, currently 24; Maria Louisa (wife), born 1880, currently 20; Marie (dgtr - my Aunt Mary), born 1899, 1 year old. Manuel is a laborer and in Hawaii for 17 years, arriving 1883. Wife Maria Louisa, in Hawaii 19 years, arriving 1881. Living in portion of Piihonua, called Waiau, outskirts of Hilo, occupied by Hilo Sugar Co. 5) Also in same 1900 Census, Hilo, (T623 Roll 1834 Pg 63, 09 Jun 1900, Line Line 5-8: Joao MELLO (head), 62 (born 1838, Port); Curubina (wife), 64 (born 1836, Port), Jose (son), 14, born 1886, Hawaii; Jacintha (dgtr), 18 (born 1882 Port). 6) Now tribal memory kicks-in: Back in 1965, while writing down some comments from my Aunt Mary (noted above as Manuel's daughter Marie), she related that she thought her father, Manuel, came to the Islands with two siblings---possibly named Jose and Marie (?). Unfortunately, I have nothing further on Manuel's siblings. 7) In 1900, while still in Hilo, Manuel and Maria Louisa have their first son, Manuel, born 1900, died 1984, in Oakland, Ca. 8) In 1903, still in Hilo, my father, Joseph, is born. Died Jun, 1952, Oakland. 9) Also in 1952, Maria Louisa (Grandma Mello) dies, in December. 10) Because Grandma Mello could speak very little English, we all (the aunts, uncles, my Dad, etc.) spoke Portuguese. 11) The 1930 U.S. Census shows Manuel and Maria Louisa (now called Mary) living in Oakland, along with their children - Manuel, "Joie" (Joe, my father), Freddie (Alfred--uncle Bud), William and Sadie (Serafina). Daughter Mary moved out several years earlier when she married Louis Rose. I am now going to start in with the information, Luis, you provided earlier today. I am most grateful for your assistance and support. Cheers and best wishes, Duane -----Original Message----- From: Luis Beal [mailto:luisbeal@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:52 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PRT-MADEIRA] Re: Curubina One more thing....there is an 1890 hawaii census film that "Contains index (typescript) and extract (handwritten) of the 1890 Census of Hawaii for the districts or islands: Hilo -- Kau -- Hamakua -- Kau contains (Bureau of Conveyance adoption index, 1847-1899; 3rd Circuit Court probate index, pkt. 1-522, approx. 1850-1899); 1910 census extract & index of Kau -- Kohala (south & north) -- Puna -- Kauai -- Maui -- Molokai -- Oahu. L US/CAN Film 1675447 Items 2-11" I have never seen one of these so I do not know what exactly is in it but it may be worth your while if you can find Manuel still living with his parents. Luis Luis Beal wrote: Well, hope I did not burst your bubble before. Now that I had a chance to look at Manuel's census and I went back to Joao's I noticed both immigrated in 1883, so hopefully she misunderstood the how many children are living question for how many children are living at home. Since neither could read or write there is a chance her name may be Carolina, said with a strong accent can sound Curubina. The census taker was RK Baptiste a pastor for the portuguese christian church, hopefully he spoke good portuguese. Luis Luis Beal wrote: Found Manuel in 1900, he is down on ancestry as Manuel Melia, wife Maria Luisa. He was born unknown in 1876, 24 years old, married 3 years, born Portugal, same for parents, immigrated in 1883 had been in the us 17 years and was naturalized a citizen, he could not read or write but could speak english and hawaiian. She was down as being born in Oct 1880, 19, married 3 years, had one child and 1 child was living, born Portugal same as parents, came in 1881, been in US 19 years, could not read or write, could not speak english or hawaiian. Daughter Maria, born sep 1899 in Hawaii. Luis Luis Beal wrote: Duane, I do not mean to burst your bubble because Curubina may be a possibility, but the numbers next to her name mean, birth year, age, married, how many children has had, and how many children are living at the time of the census and the number for later two is two. So this may not be your family. Why don't you give me more info on your Manuel, like what name did he go by, his spouse too, nicknames... If he had kids before 1910, names (firt and middle), ages, where they were living at the time of each census. I think if we find him in the 1900/10/20/30 there should be some leading information. Also do you know if he had siblings that came to the US? If he did do you know names and ages? Luis Duane DeMello wrote: Theresa: Thank you very much for your efforts to help me. Re Curubina M., I also have been searching under "Maria," "Magdelena," etc., in the event she went by her middle name. Today I am going to also check on the siblings. Cheers and best wishes, Duane -----Original Message----- From: Theresa Entin [mailto:tentin@fullchannel.net] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:42 AM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PRT-MADEIRA] Re: Curubina Good Morning Duane, You've had a great find with Ancestry. Unfortunately, not good with me. I thought when I saw the name of his mother, that I wouldn't find it. Curubina, is not a name that I've found in S. Maria. It is funny, but there are certain last and first names that are not used in that region. I'm not saying that it is impossible for it to be there, but I don't have it. Can it be spelled differently? I will also do a little more checking in my material to see what I can come up with. Also, don't forget that you can search for his siblings and get the same information you need. best regards, Theresa I have CC this to the Azores and Madeira lists, to see if that name is familiar to any of the towns they are searching. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duane DeMello" To: Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:30 PM > Theresa: > Sorry to bother you but I may have hit upon something with my > greatgrandparents, J. de Mello and C. de Mello (cited on my grandparents > marriage registration in Hilo: The 1900 Federal Census shows a Joao de > Mello (born 1838 in Portugal) married to Curubina M. de Mello, born 1836 > in > Portugal. No mention is made of the Azores. Two children were living > with > them, Jacintha C., born 1882 in Portugal, and Jose, born 1886 in Hawaii. > My > grandfather, Manuel, born 1875 in Portugal, moved out by 1900 (married in > 1897) and was starting his own family in Hilo. Manuel's death certificate > only lists the name of his father, "John" (Joao). > Can you check your Santa Maria listings? See what going back on > Ancestry.Com did for me! > > Cheers and best wishes, Duane > > > > ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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