Paulo and Karen: I don't see any immediate links to the Gomes Jardim names you mention. I do have a few in my family--maybe you will recognize them if you have more extensive information on the family. Below are 3 generations of Gomes Jardim. The first couple started out in Sao Roque in the late 1600s, and by the early 1700s, their children are in Santo Antonio. I am also interested in the wife of my earliest Gomes Jardim: In�cia Gomes Romam. Has anyone heard of this name (Romam?) in Sao Roque? I found there marriage date (1680) on the ARM website but haven't seen the actual record to get the names of both spouses' parents. Below are my meager records on this family: Descendants of Manuel Gomes Jardim Generation No. 1 1. MANUEL GOMES1 JARDIM was born Unknown in S�o Roque, Madeira Island, Portugal, and died Bef. February 11, 1721/22. He married IN�CIA GOMES ROMAM 1680 in S�o Roque, Madeira Island, Portugal. She was born Unknown in S�o Roque, Madeira Island, Portugal, and died Bef. February 11, 1721/22. Children of MANUEL JARDIM and IN�CIA ROMAM are: 2. i. MARIA GOMES2 JARDIM, b. Unknown, Sao Roque, Madeira Island, Portugal; d. Unknown. 3. ii. AGOSTINHO GOMES, b. Unknown; d. Unknown. Generation No. 2 2. MARIA GOMES2 JARDIM (MANUEL GOMES1) was born Unknown in Sao Roque, Madeira Island, Portugal, and died Unknown. She married (1) GASPAR RODRIGUES DE GOVEIA, son of MANUEL DE GOVEIA and MARIA REIS. He was born Unknown in Santo Antonio, Madeira Island, Portugal, and died Bef. February 11, 1721/22. She married (2) MANUEL MARTINS PEREIRA February 11, 1721/22 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira Island, Portugal, son of ANTONIO PEREIRA and MARIA FERNANDES. He was born 1668 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira Island, Portugal, and died Unknown. Children of MARIA JARDIM and GASPAR DE GOVEIA are: 4. i. IGNACIA GOMES3 JARDIM, b. July 22, 1714, Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira Island, Portugal; d. Bef. February 09, 1782. ii. HELENA JARDIM, b. October 22, 1716, Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira Island, Portugal; d. Unknown. 3. AGOSTINHO2 GOMES (MANUEL GOMES1 JARDIM) was born Unknown, and died Unknown. He married THOMASIA GOMES. She was born Unknown, and died Unknown. Child of AGOSTINHO GOMES and THOMASIA GOMES is: i. MANUEL GOMES3 JARDIM, b. Unknown; d. Unknown; m. MARIA JOSEFA, February 07, 1745/46, Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira Island, Portugal; b. Unknown; d. Unknown. Generation No. 3 4. IGNACIA GOMES3 JARDIM (MARIA GOMES2, MANUEL GOMES1) was born July 22, 1714 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira Island, Portugal, and died Bef. February 09, 1782. She married MATTEUS PEREIRA DA SILVA June 22, 1733 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira Island, Portugal, son of MANUEL PEREIRA and PAULA DA SILVA. He was born 1701 in Santo Antonio, Funchal, Madeira Island, Portugal, and died Bef. February 09, 1782. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page

MB, how do you know that Gaspar Rodrigeus de Gouveia was son of Manuel de Gouveia and Maria dos Reis? The Rodrigues de Gouveia genealogy assigns him to a different couple, Gaspar de Gouveia Pacheco and Maria da Fonseca. If I well recall the record of the marriage between Gaspar and Maria Gomes Jardim was in bad state, and I barely could read that he had a former marriage with Sebastiana de Freitas, and don't recall any reference to who his parents were. Paulo On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:12:57 -0800 (PST), M B <mb_mhamid@yahoo.com> wrote: > 2. MARIA GOMES2 JARDIM (MANUEL GOMES1) was born Unknown in Sao Roque, > Madeira Island, Portugal, and died Unknown. > She married (1) GASPAR RODRIGUES DE GOVEIA, son of MANUEL DE GOVEIA and > MARIA REIS. -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio