Pat, Would you know if something similar exists for the Mendonca (Mendoca) family? I've heard that this family name goes back to the very early days of the island's colonization but I haven't been very successful in finding much information on the family in terms of the island. Lots of very interesting historic material on family name on sapo.pt. Janette -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera [mailto:papagaia2@sbcglobal.net] Sent: March 12, 2005 10:04 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRT-MADEIRA] Need help reading a marriage record Information on this family can be found in " Nobiliario da Ilha da Madeira." Under the "titulo" Coutos Cardosos. http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/familiapaiva/NobiliariodaIlhadaMadeira /coutos_cardosos.htm As well as the "titulo," for the Cabraes. http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/familiapaiva/NobiliariodaIlhadaMadeira /cabraes.htm Pat Luis Beal <luisbeal@yahoo.com> wrote: This is how I read the document: D. Joana de Couto Cardoso, N. (for Nascida, born) 1598, B. (for batizada, baptized) in Calheta, L. 4 (livro 4, 4th book) on Sep 11th 1599, c.c. married to Manuel Cabral de Aguiar, in title of Cortes. Then if you go to page 294v, #4 it says Manuel married Joana on July 2nd 1622 in Calheta. It actually begins by saying that after he became a widow he became a priest (clerigo). On a side note says: I think he married D. Joanna d'Andrade, daughter of Joao de Franca e Castro, in title of Francas e Castro, N3, 1,pg 295v. He has the very same marriage date for this latter Joana as for the first one which means you need to get some microfilms and figure out which one he really married. Abbreviations: N-nascido/a - born; B- batisada/o - baptism; CC- casou com - married; M- morreu - died; tt- titulo- title;; f- folha - page; 294 - page 294; 294v - back of page 294. Hope that helps. Luis Beal M B wrote: This is the best I could transcribe an online record. Can anyone tell me what the year 1598 may be a reference to? 1599? The letter looks like a capital "N," but it can't be a birth date since she got married in 1599--or not? What does the "B" mean? D. Joanna de Couto Cardoso, N. 1598, B. na Calheta, L. 4., en 11 de Sept de 1599, c.c. Manuel Cabral d'Aguiar, en tto de Cortes..... (Miranda's Apontamentos para a Genealogia de Diversas Familias da Madeira, p. 308) According to Noronho's "Nobiliario," Joana was born 1590, and no marriage date was given. Maybe I am misunderstanding or misreading Miranda's handwritten notes. Any theories would be much appreciated! Michelle __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=1459 9&targetid=5429 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx Patricia Julia Silva Corbera A Journey of Discovery www.geocities.com/papagaia2 ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=1459 9&targetid=5429

Janette, many surnames are featured, I didn't see one for Mendonca... but the Mendonca (with variations in the spelling of) can be found in the Teixeira and Perestrelo titulos. Here's the website address where these titulos are located: http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/familiapaiva/NobiliariodaIlhadaMadeira/indice_dos_tomos.htm. My maternal aunt, now deceased, was married to a Mendonca, I believe Sao. Roque, Madeira. Yes, the surname does back to the very early days, as you will see when viewing the Perestrello titulo. Happy Hunting, Pat janettechun <janettechun@shaw.ca> wrote: Pat, Would you know if something similar exists for the Mendonca (Mendoca) family? I've heard that this family name goes back to the very early days of the island's colonization but I haven't been very successful in finding much information on the family in terms of the island. Lots of very interesting historic material on family name on sapo.pt. Janette -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera [mailto:papagaia2@sbcglobal.net] Sent: March 12, 2005 10:04 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRT-MADEIRA] Need help reading a marriage record Information on this family can be found in " Nobiliario da Ilha da Madeira." Under the "titulo" Coutos Cardosos. http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/familiapaiva/NobiliariodaIlhadaMadeira /coutos_cardosos.htm As well as the "titulo," for the Cabraes. http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/familiapaiva/NobiliariodaIlhadaMadeira /cabraes.htm Pat Luis Beal wrote: This is how I read the document: D. Joana de Couto Cardoso, N. (for Nascida, born) 1598, B. (for batizada, baptized) in Calheta, L. 4 (livro 4, 4th book) on Sep 11th 1599, c.c. married to Manuel Cabral de Aguiar, in title of Cortes. Then if you go to page 294v, #4 it says Manuel married Joana on July 2nd 1622 in Calheta. It actually begins by saying that after he became a widow he became a priest (clerigo). On a side note says: I think he married D. Joanna d'Andrade, daughter of Joao de Franca e Castro, in title of Francas e Castro, N3, 1,pg 295v. He has the very same marriage date for this latter Joana as for the first one which means you need to get some microfilms and figure out which one he really married. Abbreviations: N-nascido/a - born; B- batisada/o - baptism; CC- casou com - married; M- morreu - died; tt- titulo- title;; f- folha - page; 294 - page 294; 294v - back of page 294. Hope that helps. Luis Beal M B wrote: This is the best I could transcribe an online record. Can anyone tell me what the year 1598 may be a reference to? 1599? The letter looks like a capital "N," but it can't be a birth date since she got married in 1599--or not? What does the "B" mean? D. Joanna de Couto Cardoso, N. 1598, B. na Calheta, L. 4., en 11 de Sept de 1599, c.c. Manuel Cabral d'Aguiar, en tto de Cortes..... (Miranda's Apontamentos para a Genealogia de Diversas Familias da Madeira, p. 308) According to Noronho's "Nobiliario," Joana was born 1590, and no marriage date was given. Maybe I am misunderstanding or misreading Miranda's handwritten notes. Any theories would be much appreciated! Michelle __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=1459 9&targetid=5429 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx Patricia Julia Silva Corbera A Journey of Discovery www.geocities.com/papagaia2 ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=1459 9&targetid=5429 ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Thanks Pat. Much appreciated. I believe the Mendoncas I'm looking for are from Madeira-Porto Santo. Janette -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera [mailto:papagaia2@sbcglobal.net] Sent: March 14, 2005 1:56 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PRT-MADEIRA] Need help reading a marriage record Janette, many surnames are featured, I didn't see one for Mendonca... but the Mendonca (with variations in the spelling of) can be found in the Teixeira and Perestrelo titulos. Here's the website address where these titulos are located: http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/familiapaiva/NobiliariodaIlhadaMadeira /indice_dos_tomos.htm. My maternal aunt, now deceased, was married to a Mendonca, I believe Sao. Roque, Madeira. Yes, the surname does back to the very early days, as you will see when viewing the Perestrello titulo. Happy Hunting, Pat janettechun <janettechun@shaw.ca> wrote: Pat, Would you know if something similar exists for the Mendonca (Mendoca) family? I've heard that this family name goes back to the very early days of the island's colonization but I haven't been very successful in finding much information on the family in terms of the island. Lots of very interesting historic material on family name on sapo.pt. Janette -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera [mailto:papagaia2@sbcglobal.net] Sent: March 12, 2005 10:04 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRT-MADEIRA] Need help reading a marriage record Information on this family can be found in " Nobiliario da Ilha da Madeira." Under the "titulo" Coutos Cardosos. http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/familiapaiva/NobiliariodaIlhadaMadeira /coutos_cardosos.htm As well as the "titulo," for the Cabraes. http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/familiapaiva/NobiliariodaIlhadaMadeira /cabraes.htm Pat Luis Beal wrote: This is how I read the document: D. Joana de Couto Cardoso, N. (for Nascida, born) 1598, B. (for batizada, baptized) in Calheta, L. 4 (livro 4, 4th book) on Sep 11th 1599, c.c. married to Manuel Cabral de Aguiar, in title of Cortes. Then if you go to page 294v, #4 it says Manuel married Joana on July 2nd 1622 in Calheta. It actually begins by saying that after he became a widow he became a priest (clerigo). On a side note says: I think he married D. Joanna d'Andrade, daughter of Joao de Franca e Castro, in title of Francas e Castro, N3, 1,pg 295v. He has the very same marriage date for this latter Joana as for the first one which means you need to get some microfilms and figure out which one he really married. Abbreviations: N-nascido/a - born; B- batisada/o - baptism; CC- casou com - married; M- morreu - died; tt- titulo- title;; f- folha - page; 294 - page 294; 294v - back of page 294. Hope that helps. Luis Beal M B wrote: This is the best I could transcribe an online record. Can anyone tell me what the year 1598 may be a reference to? 1599? The letter looks like a capital "N," but it can't be a birth date since she got married in 1599--or not? What does the "B" mean? D. Joanna de Couto Cardoso, N. 1598, B. na Calheta, L. 4., en 11 de Sept de 1599, c.c. Manuel Cabral d'Aguiar, en tto de Cortes..... (Miranda's Apontamentos para a Genealogia de Diversas Familias da Madeira, p. 308) According to Noronho's "Nobiliario," Joana was born 1590, and no marriage date was given. Maybe I am misunderstanding or misreading Miranda's handwritten notes. Any theories would be much appreciated! Michelle __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=1459 9&targetid=5429 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx Patricia Julia Silva Corbera A Journey of Discovery www.geocities.com/papagaia2 ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=1459 9&targetid=5429 ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx