Lou... once your family is from Seixal probably you desscend from more families that maybe i belong as well..have a look on the list that i sent earlier and check if some name or surnames sounds familiar Cheers Leandro -----Original Message----- From: labreu@cablespeed.com To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Leandro, Ahhh such is the pain of genealogy...but such is the joy of discovery. My great grandfather Antonio Neves De Abreu Amarello came to the US in 1916, they settled in Massachusetts where some of the family still resides, I currently live in Maryland. Cheers, Lo "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected will never know" " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gregobhte1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 6:29 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Lou.... Unfortunately all that i know is the line that comes from their daugther Filipa. If you want to know her line just ask me..otherwise thats all that i have :( wheer do u live?? when did your family emigrate?? Thanks Leandro -----Original Message----- From: labreu@cablespeed.com To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Leandro, I do not have Antonio's birth date, I don't believe it was recorded. The researcher who provided this info just gave me that Manuel and Leonor were married abt 1690, however, it would seem that they were married either in 1689 or prior since you are a descendent of their daughter Filipa. Using a little rough math since Antonio was married in 1713, he would have been at least 20, thus that would put him around 1693 or before.......of course that is just a guess on my part.....do you know of any other children for Manuel and Leonor? Cheers, Lou.... "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected will never know" " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gregobhte1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:57 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Hi Lou.... Wow....thats pretty amazing!!! so it means that we are related!!!!! Manuel de Abreu and Leonor Fernandes are in my 11th generation. What year their son was born?? the lady that i descend (Filipa Maria de Sao Tiago) was born in 1689. I have another Abreu in my family: Manuel Abreu de Macedo was born and married in Seixal in 1772 Maria Rosa Faria and are the parents of Vicencia Maria de Jesus (born in Seixal in 1772). Are we related thru them as well or not??? I also like to know if LOU OR ANYONE can tell me something about the following families: 1) Inacio Caldeira - born in Seixal, son of Manuel Dias (born in 1653) and Maria Rodrigues. Married in 1717 in Seixal with Maria Dias 2) Crispina da Camara - born in Porto Moniz. Married in 1698 Manuel da Costa and is the mother of Tomazia da Costa 3) Isabel de Castro - born in Calheta in 1664 daughter of Francisco Esteves and Ines Marques. Married in 1693 with Joao Duarte de Faria 4) Sebastiao de Castro Canha - Born in Seixal in 1685. Son of Manuel de castro Canha e Maria de Ponte. Married in 1709 with Clara Gomes 5) Antonio de Castro teixeira - born in Seixal in 1785. Son of Francisco castro Teixeira (1741) and Mariana Costa de Gouveia (1740). Married in 1812 with Maria Julia da Encarnacao 6) Vital Escorcio Drumond - Born in S Vicente in 1686. Son of Vasco Moniz de Menezes and DONA Crispina de Menezes. Married in 1706 Maria Teixeira de Andrade (1690) 7) Jose de Franca Vasconcelos - Born in S Vicente. Son of Antonio Mendes e DONA Maria de Franca. Married in 1728 with DONA Maria Telo de Menezes 8) Francisco Gois de Carvalho - married in 1664 in S Vicente with Maria Francisca. Father of Alvaro Gomes (Born in 1671) 9) Miguel Mendes - Married Isabel de Ponte in Seixal. Father of Manuel de Ponte (1646) and Domingos de Ponte (1656) 10) Vasco Moniz de Menezes - married in S Vicente in 1684 with DONA Crispina de Menezes 11) Manuel Nunes da Costa - Born in Seixal in 1685, Son of Manuel da Costa (1658) and Francisca Rodrigues. Married in 1717 Catarina de Ponte Teixeira 12) Manuel Pereira Brasao - Born in 1767 in Seixal. Son of Jose Pereira Brasao and Antonia Maria. Married in 1791 with Maria de Ponte Teixeira (1753), widow of Manuel Telo de Menezes. Father of Placido Pereira (born in 1792) 13) PESTANA - 6 menbers of this family 14) PONTE - 9 menbers of this family THANK YOU LEANDRO -----Original Message----- From: labreu@cablespeed.com To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Leandro, Manuel and Leonor were married about 1690 in Calheta, Madeira. I am a descendant of their son Antonio De Abreu, born in Calheta Madeira, Antonio Married Joana Da Silva February 20, 1713 in Ponta do Sol. Manuel and Leonor are in my 10th Generation. I do not have the names of Manuel or Leonors parents, so this is where this particular line of my Abreu ancestors ends. Calheta marriage records for 1678-1749 were missing at the time of this research,if you or anyone else can provide more it would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Lou "For those who have fought for it....Freedom has a taste the protected will never know" " Without the Brave there would be no land of the Free" A new Recruit asked an old Warrior, "What is War like?" The old timer replied, "A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg one day, a lot of people died. If you weren't there you wouldn't understand." -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gregobhte1@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:48 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Hi all.... I have an Abreu in my family. He was manuel de Abreu from Ponta do Sol (madeira Island) that married Leonor Fernandes and were the parents of Filipa Maria Sao Tiago born in 1689 anyone know anything about them?? Thank you Leandro -----Original Message----- From: papagaia2@sbcglobal.net To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Hi Lou, According to information on the surname "Abreu," in the Famillas da Madeira e do Porto Santo... "Nao ha nem jamais houve, nesta ilha, varonia dos Abreus de Portugal. Os Abreus nobres procedem de filhos e netos de Brites our Beatriz de Abreu casada com Joao Fernandes de Andrada "o do Arco," conhecido por Joao Fernandes do Arco--que deixaram o nome paterno para tomar o materno." "Apresentaremos a sua linha de ascendentes para mostrar a sua origem fidalga." "O primeiro conhecido foi Goncalo Martins de Abreu ou Evreu que devia ter vivido por 1090. Descendia dos Condes de Evreux que, por sua vez, procediam dos Reis de Franca. Passou a Portugal com o Conde D. Henrique e foi rico homem, chegando a dispor de mais de 160 mil vassalos com as vilas e lugares de Sanfaes, Lapela, Barbeita, Regalados e outros de que foi senhor. Foi mordomo-mor de Rainha D. Teresa e de seu filho D. Afonso Henriques e fundou para seu solar, a Torre e Homra a ques dera o seu apelido, junto a Valenca do Minho." Beatriz de Abreu married to Joao Fernandes de Andrada are my 13th ggparents...I have Beatriz' parents as Rui Gomes de Abreu (Alcaide-mor) and his wife Isabel de Gois. From that point back this line has been very confusing for me... one that still needs to be researched and corrections made. Luis K.W. is a fountain of information on the Rui Gomes de Abreu line, maybe he can help in making your "leap," into mainland Portugal. Hope this helps. Pat Silva Corbera Tracy CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Abreu" <labreu@cablespeed.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gomes Abreu -- DNA Pat, Isn't the original Abreu to the island of Madeira Beatriz? I believe her father was Rui Gomes or did I get that all confused. I have had great difficulty making the tie to Beatriz, which course would give me the link back to the mainland. Please correct if I am wrong with the above. Cheers, Lou ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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