Here is a suggestion. Get the baptism records microfilm for Vasco and Crispina's children and go through it. Many times the aunt or uncle (one of the parent's siblings of course) was the godparent and if so it should say on the record. Then you need to also try to find the marriage records for Vasco's or Crispina's siblings and hope that one will have the parent's listed. Does this make sense to you? Also look at th he witnesses in the marriage record sometimes they were family too. I don't know that I would bother with the death records because they mostly list who died without mention of spouse or parent's names. Also look for more Moniz de Menezes marriages around the same area at the same time, it may be a brother. Good luck, Luis Beal Hi there.... im tracing my famil back and the most far that i got was with VASCO MONIZ DE MENEZES that married in 1684 Dona CRISPINA DE MENEZES. I just got an email from the Madeira archives saying that in their marriage certificate didnt show their parents names...so in that i dont know how to keep tracing back their parents if they dont appear in their cerificates.... anyone could help me in anyway please?? Thank you Leandro ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.

Had a similar case and I ordered all 10 children's birth certificates -found the parents & grandparents mentioned in the last two certificates. -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luis Beal Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 2:43 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Book - Familias da Madeira e Porto Santo Here is a suggestion. Get the baptism records microfilm for Vasco and Crispina's children and go through it. Many times the aunt or uncle (one of the parent's siblings of course) was the godparent and if so it should say on the record. Then you need to also try to find the marriage records for Vasco's or Crispina's siblings and hope that one will have the parent's listed. Does this make sense to you? Also look at th he witnesses in the marriage record sometimes they were family too. I don't know that I would bother with the death records because they mostly list who died without mention of spouse or parent's names. Also look for more Moniz de Menezes marriages around the same area at the same time, it may be a brother. Good luck, Luis Beal Hi there.... im tracing my famil back and the most far that i got was with VASCO MONIZ DE MENEZES that married in 1684 Dona CRISPINA DE MENEZES. I just got an email from the Madeira archives saying that in their marriage certificate didnt show their parents names...so in that i dont know how to keep tracing back their parents if they dont appear in their cerificates.... anyone could help me in anyway please?? Thank you Leandro ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message