Ed: You're so right. Pat edjardim <ejardim@patmedia.net> wrote: Pat: This probably goes w/o saying, but I note it anyway. Researchers can experience a big difference between checking out a 'recent' (1800s) legible record -- especially when you're equipped with an exact page number as per a guide like the online Madeira marriage index -- and on the other hand searching thru other records (baptisms and deaths) in archaic script that go back half a millennia, you have no page number, and you're not sure what you're looking for in the first place! (People taking on new names; pais incognito; etc.) But then, paradoxically, you may sometimes find later stuff hard to read while ancient stuff is clear as day. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Corbera" To: Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [PRT-MADEIRA] Disasters Madeira Ed, I just thought of something. If I view the death films for the Estreito da Calheta for that time frame, maybe I'll find something. I think that Cece had once told me that's how she located her incognito ancestor. to be continued: Pat edjardim wrote: Pat: Some film is so old that it's a wonder we can read any part of it. BTW, I did come across the Sebastiao 'Algarvio' Rodrigues Jardim we mentioned in our correspondence earlier this year. Madeira was hard it by disease and famine in the 1850s, causing social dislocation that pushed a lot of people to look elsewhere for a better life, like Funchal and overseas. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Corbera" To: Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [PRT-MADEIRA] Disasters Madeira Hi Ed, Thank you for suppling source media to help answer my questions on disasters that Madeira experienced. I especially want to find something that would help to explain the only "paes incognitos," that I have come across in my direct line ancestry. My maternal great grandfather Antonio da Camara, from Estreito da Calheta, was born abt 1850 of "paes incognitos." I feel that something must have happened to his parents, possible death from one of the disasters. As for the the early Madeira records, you're so right. I ordered a marriage record from ARM, and it appeared just as you described. Not one word could I read, nor figure out. Thank You! Pat Silva Corbera edjardim wrote: Pat: One useful source is the Insight Guide to Madeira, one of the series of APA travel publications. Insight Guide books always provide historical summaries -- I write some of them myself. www.nesos.net has excellent historical material, including the encyclopedic Elucidario Madeirense, and has English-language material as well. Madeira has had its share of floods, quakes, famine, crop failures and health crises like the cholera outbreak of the 1850s. I know of nothing like a casualty list whereby victims of such disasters are enumerated. I mentioned here earlier this year my interest in film for Calheta and Estreito da Calheta as well as the Funchal cathedral for the very early years. I never did report that they turned out to be largely unreadable, much of it totally so in an archaic script often resembling hieroglyphics. Ed Jardim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Corbera" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 5:25 PM Subject: [PRT-MADEIRA] Diasters Madeira Not sure if this list group is still available, since no postings have been received in many months. I would like to know what is available with reference to the diasters that occurred on the Island of Madeira. Apparently in 1842 an exceptional storm flooded the city of Funchal, swepting away lives and property into the sea. Is there an accounting of the lives lost in this diaster? In 1856, the island is said to have suffered from Asiatic Cholera, claiming over 8000 lives. This information was obtained in 1995, from an online friend, she quoted her reference as the publication of "Madeira Old and New. Is Paulo still a member of this group? I recall he was very helpful, being a fountain of information, with the added plus of residing on the island. Thank You, Pat Silva Corbera ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx ============================== Search the US Census Collection. 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