You miss the point, what they are selling is unreliable, mostly undocumented, largely from unreliable sources to say nothing of the fact that it is stolen. I have never submitted a thing to them, but I find many instances of information and speculative information I have shared privately with others presented as fact and as their property. They are at the very least, unethical. Scot Melanie Pereira wrote: > Touche! > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Hamm > Sent: February 8, 2007 3:46 AM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > > If you don't submit the data to them, they cannot sell it. > > Thanks, > > Cheryl Hamm > hammc@localnet.com > 215-826-0833 > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Philip Rodrigues > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:23 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > There is something you are doing that's not quite right. I use FTM 2005 > version and have printed many all in one trees. > I just this minute created a pdf file with everyone in my database and > it worked fine. I don't have a plotter, so in order to print the tree I > take the pdf file to kinkos and they print it exactly as I want it. Bit > expensive mind you. As far as the comments about FTM selling the data - > I agree it's not right but there is nothing I can do about it. > Maybe we should put together a petition to get them to stop that > practice. Just a thought. Philip > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 3:13:24 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > > This is timely as I too was thinking of switching programs. I've been > using Family Tree Maker for the last couple of years and last year > upgraded to the 2006 version. While it's fine as a database, I concur > with the comments below and I find the printing of charts a very > frustrating exercise. You can't print charts unless you use the > accompanying chart maker software which again has limitations - for > example you can't print an all in one chart...you can only produce > individual charts for ancestors and descendents. > > Janette > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Scot Austin > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:57 AM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > Personally, I have all kinds of reasons not to use FTM: > 1. It adds unwanted data to your information, estimating dates and so > forth. 2. They have taken all kinds of liberties with the GEDCOM > standards > making it incompatible with other programs. > 3. Worst of all, they encourage users to submit their data which they > then copyright, put on CD's and sell it back without checking for > accuracy, credibility or duplication, a most detestable practice in my > opinion. I have used PAF for some 15 years, back to when it was still a > DOS based program and find it more than adequate. Best of all it is > free. > > Scot > > Philip Rodrigues wrote: > >> I can second this opinion about Family Tree Maker. I have used it for >> > about 8 years and compared to others I have used it is far and away the > best I've seen. > >> Philip >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: "gregory.lima@comcast.net" <gregory.lima@comcast.net> >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 1:12:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software >> >> >> I currently user Family Tree Maker 2005 version and find it works very >> > well. It seems to account for just about any possible situation. Just > last night while entering information about my mother's (Irish/English) > family I came across a somewhat unusual situation: an ancestor married > the daughter of his father's second wife. The wife was not this > ancestor's mother, but her daughter was his step sister. Anyway, Family > Tree Maker very easily handled collating the information. > >> Previously I used Ultimate Family Tree, which I found to be somewhat >> > cumersome, but more importantly it sometimes (too often for my liking) > mixed up information...moved information from one individual to another. > >> Hope this helps >> >> Greg Lima >> Washington State >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: Jeff Lake <j@jlake.net> >> >> >> >>> Hey list - >>> Can I ask what everyone is using for software to keep their records? >>> > I > >>> had some problems last year and now might be a good time to switch to >>> > > >>> something else. >>> Thanks >>> JL >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> > the > quotes > >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Yes, and as researchers, we need to know that all data is suspect and not use it and certainly not pay for it! Thanks, Cheryl Hamm hammc@localnet.com 215-826-0833 -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Scot Austin Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:07 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software You miss the point, what they are selling is unreliable, mostly undocumented, largely from unreliable sources to say nothing of the fact that it is stolen. I have never submitted a thing to them, but I find many instances of information and speculative information I have shared privately with others presented as fact and as their property. They are at the very least, unethical. Scot Melanie Pereira wrote: > Touche! > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Hamm > Sent: February 8, 2007 3:46 AM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > > If you don't submit the data to them, they cannot sell it. > > Thanks, > > Cheryl Hamm > hammc@localnet.com > 215-826-0833 > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Philip Rodrigues > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:23 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > There is something you are doing that's not quite right. I use FTM 2005 > version and have printed many all in one trees. > I just this minute created a pdf file with everyone in my database and > it worked fine. I don't have a plotter, so in order to print the tree I > take the pdf file to kinkos and they print it exactly as I want it. Bit > expensive mind you. As far as the comments about FTM selling the data - > I agree it's not right but there is nothing I can do about it. > Maybe we should put together a petition to get them to stop that > practice. Just a thought. Philip > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Janette Chun <janettechun@shaw.ca> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 3:13:24 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > > This is timely as I too was thinking of switching programs. I've been > using Family Tree Maker for the last couple of years and last year > upgraded to the 2006 version. While it's fine as a database, I concur > with the comments below and I find the printing of charts a very > frustrating exercise. You can't print charts unless you use the > accompanying chart maker software which again has limitations - for > example you can't print an all in one chart...you can only produce > individual charts for ancestors and descendents. > > Janette > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Scot Austin > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:57 AM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software > > Personally, I have all kinds of reasons not to use FTM: > 1. It adds unwanted data to your information, estimating dates and so > forth. 2. They have taken all kinds of liberties with the GEDCOM > standards > making it incompatible with other programs. > 3. Worst of all, they encourage users to submit their data which they > then copyright, put on CD's and sell it back without checking for > accuracy, credibility or duplication, a most detestable practice in my > opinion. I have used PAF for some 15 years, back to when it was still a > DOS based program and find it more than adequate. Best of all it is > free. > > Scot > > Philip Rodrigues wrote: > >> I can second this opinion about Family Tree Maker. I have used it for >> > about 8 years and compared to others I have used it is far and away the > best I've seen. > >> Philip >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: "gregory.lima@comcast.net" <gregory.lima@comcast.net> >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 1:12:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Software >> >> >> I currently user Family Tree Maker 2005 version and find it works very >> > well. It seems to account for just about any possible situation. Just > last night while entering information about my mother's (Irish/English) > family I came across a somewhat unusual situation: an ancestor married > the daughter of his father's second wife. The wife was not this > ancestor's mother, but her daughter was his step sister. Anyway, Family > Tree Maker very easily handled collating the information. > >> Previously I used Ultimate Family Tree, which I found to be somewhat >> > cumersome, but more importantly it sometimes (too often for my liking) > mixed up information...moved information from one individual to another. > >> Hope this helps >> >> Greg Lima >> Washington State >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: Jeff Lake <j@jlake.net> >> >> >> >>> Hey list - >>> Can I ask what everyone is using for software to keep their records? >>> > I > >>> had some problems last year and now might be a good time to switch to >>> > > >>> something else. >>> Thanks >>> JL >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> > the > quotes > >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message