Ed, Could Joaquim's wife's name have originally been Maria Josephina? I was in Jacksonville, Illinois last Thanksgiving and visited the historical society there. They had copies of records of the 4th Presbyterian Church of Springfield. Ill which listed Joaquim's wife as Mary Quintel. I have several female cousins born in the Azores whose names were ie Maria da Soledade, Maria Nazare, Maria Ruth, all sisters, who are known among family simply as Soledade, Nazare, and Ruth but when they immigrated to this country became known among co-workers and non portuguese friends as "Maria". Couldn't the same thing have happened here? John Vasconcelos -----Original Message----- From: ejardim@patmedia.net To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 3:56 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Mary Astor, actress 1920s-1960s, descendant of Madeira Exiles John -- I am familiar with various facets of the Mary Astor connection to the Exiles history, although I did not pursue the ancestral background. My notes from a while back indicate only that Joaquim was born about 1828 and that his wife Josephina was the daughter of Antonio Quintal and Josephina Vieira Quintal. Ed Jardim ----- Original Message ----- From: <JJVascon@aol.com> To: <PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 11:55 AM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Mary Astor, actress 1920s-1960s,descendant of Madeira Exiles >I am new to the list and am interested in the ancestry of actress Mary >Astor > (born Lucile Vasconcellos Langhanke), daughter of Helen Marie Vasconcellos > (born Jacksonville, Ill) and Otto Ludwig Wilhelm Langhanke (born Berlin > Germany). > Her maternal great grandparents were Joachim (Joaquim) Vasconcellos and > Mary > (Maria) Quintel, Protestant exiles from Madeira (via Trinidad). Joachim > served > in the Civil War and died in a military hospital in 1862. > > I'm just wondering if anybody on the list has any knowledge of her Madeira > ancestry prior to her great grandparents. > John Vasconcelos > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.