Pat I'm pretty sure I've told you that Ed has had his DNA tested (me too-but that one is MTDNA which follows my mothers Irish side) Ed's results are on the Madeira DNA page - (DNA-Camara) http://www.ourfamilyorigins.com/madeira/dna.htm (not sure if links come through rootsweb, but I put it there just in case) Just an FYI since you asked! Cece