Hey Luis, Yes of course, I realize there are mistakes in books. Just because they are published does not mean they are accurate! I too have found errors by finding the original documents to prove the books wrong. However. when you get back to the "before church records existed" time, you gotta read books...and then hope to find 2 or 3 of them that say the same thing. and hopefully not just because the 2nd book writer believed the first, LOL! I guess what I was trying to ask Paulo below, in a nice way, was if he knew or read something different in this particular case. I'm sorry I missed his last surge of visits on this site...it's always exciting to have him around for the little while he attends! BTW, I think I remember your telling me that I was the first person you linked ancestry with from the list, when we made our connection a year or so ago. Is that still the case? If so, I absolutely find that amazing, when you are the reason this list exists! And as you know, you are also the ONLY reason I was able to begin my Madeiran research, you were a wonderfully generous teacher and I thank you for your patience with my many neophyte questions!! And yes, you are still teaching-I often do not use the detailed source info you mention below-the name of the book and the family title it talks about are about all the info I use for sourcing, rarely if ever page #'s etc. Thank you for administrating this list! Cece -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Luis Beal Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 11:27 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? Cece, Most of the genealogy books that are available have a lot of correct stuff but there is wrong stuff too. I found a big mistake in a record by Luis Clode. I suggest using them as a guide to help you find the right record. If you have reached a point that you can no longer find records (birth, marriage, etc) try finding two or three books that list the exact same information on your ancestors before using it as a source. Don't forget to note the titles, authors, and page numbers in your notes. Luis Beal Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: Paulo, So then, are we not to trust HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical. which shows Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife to be Dona Isabel Pereira - (they are also a direct line of mine)...and this is where I show the information sourced from. Cece -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paulo Gomes Jardim Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:51 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:25:48 +0100, Fernandes, Jose wrote: > There is an old story (?) that claims that the first children born in > Madeira were named Adam and Eve. Their father was Gonçalo Eanes or Anes > or Enes. He had lands in what is today's São Gonçalo on the east side of > Funchal. > In the early 16th century there were Anes in Caniço which is not too far > from this place. As far as I know, the story of Adão and Eva is real, and documental evidence exists of the name Adão persisting, even as patronimic, throught Gonçalo Aires (not Anes) descendancy. As for Gonçalo Aires, full name is Gonçalo Aires Ferreira, and was Zarco's right hand man. Possibly the only settler of the first bunch with some nobility, but no one knows who was his wife/mistress. -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Cece for your kind words, you are very sweet. You, Leandro, and Pat are all related to me so far, and it seems you are also related to each other. :) I bet there are more of us that connect but in time we shall find out. Luis Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: Hey Luis, Yes of course, I realize there are mistakes in books. Just because they are published does not mean they are accurate! I too have found errors by finding the original documents to prove the books wrong. However. when you get back to the "before church records existed" time, you gotta read books...and then hope to find 2 or 3 of them that say the same thing. and hopefully not just because the 2nd book writer believed the first, LOL! I guess what I was trying to ask Paulo below, in a nice way, was if he knew or read something different in this particular case. I'm sorry I missed his last surge of visits on this site...it's always exciting to have him around for the little while he attends! BTW, I think I remember your telling me that I was the first person you linked ancestry with from the list, when we made our connection a year or so ago. Is that still the case? If so, I absolutely find that amazing, when you are the reason this list exists! And as you know, you are also the ONLY reason I was able to begin my Madeiran research, you were a wonderfully generous teacher and I thank you for your patience with my many neophyte questions!! And yes, you are still teaching-I often do not use the detailed source info you mention below-the name of the book and the family title it talks about are about all the info I use for sourcing, rarely if ever page #'s etc. Thank you for administrating this list! Cece -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Luis Beal Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 11:27 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? Cece, Most of the genealogy books that are available have a lot of correct stuff but there is wrong stuff too. I found a big mistake in a record by Luis Clode. I suggest using them as a guide to help you find the right record. If you have reached a point that you can no longer find records (birth, marriage, etc) try finding two or three books that list the exact same information on your ancestors before using it as a source. Don't forget to note the titles, authors, and page numbers in your notes. Luis Beal Cece Camara wrote: Paulo, So then, are we not to trust HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical. which shows Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife to be Dona Isabel Pereira - (they are also a direct line of mine)...and this is where I show the information sourced from. Cece -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paulo Gomes Jardim Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:51 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:25:48 +0100, Fernandes, Jose wrote: > There is an old story (?) that claims that the first children born in > Madeira were named Adam and Eve. Their father was Gonçalo Eanes or Anes > or Enes. He had lands in what is today's São Gonçalo on the east side of > Funchal. > In the early 16th century there were Anes in Caniço which is not too far > from this place. As far as I know, the story of Adão and Eva is real, and documental evidence exists of the name Adão persisting, even as patronimic, throught Gonçalo Aires (not Anes) descendancy. As for Gonçalo Aires, full name is Gonçalo Aires Ferreira, and was Zarco's right hand man. Possibly the only settler of the first bunch with some nobility, but no one knows who was his wife/mistress. -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more.