Thanks Luis-Didn't know about the color-but I did notce when the message came in my wasn't colored, so thanks for the other options to work with next time. I've copied and pasted the the text that was colored below using Luis suggestions of bold and underline and Italic to see how they work- The regular font was Pat's original info.. Cece Goncalo Aires Ferreira son of Gomes MARTINS Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) and Isabel Pereira de Lacerda.-same Gomes son of Martim Mem Ferreira and Violante AFFONSO DA CUNHA Brites Anes Sandim (her line ends). That's it for me! All mine are from the same source above HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical...whch I am going to have to dig out and re-check as soon as time allows! This line contines for me from Martim & Violante's son Gomes MARTINS FERREIRA -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Luis Beal Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 1:06 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Eva Gomes Ferreira -(Guiomar Ferreira) Just a couple of things, the books do not list every child a couple had. I noticed that these books list mainly people who were well to do and whose descendancy remained well to do. As for colored fonts remember rootsweb is extremly simple and only allows simple things, meaning black font, underline, italics, and bold. No attachments or graphics allowed either. Luis Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: OK, since Paulo isn't around to answer the question I asked earlier, I'll try you Pat!! Is there a reason why, to your knowledge, no one trusts the HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical...which is where I have Dona Isabel Perreira sourced as Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife. You've all got me wondering if I need to go find it and re-read it...maybe I wrote something down wrong! Although, I don't have this child, Guiomar in my tree, so maybe there is a 2nd unknown wife, who is the mother of this Guiomar? My descendancy comes from Goncalo and Isabel through their daughter Eva. I've written in red below what my difference are with what you have written. -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Patricia Corbera Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 6:15 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Eva Gomes Ferreira -(Guiomar Ferreira) Hi Prima Denise, Yes, I'd love to share and exchange with you... I have two spouses for Guiomar Ferreira daughter of Goncalo Aires Ferreira and "Unknown." Guiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes (o Trovador) and Joao Affonco (no additional info on this individual). If you tell how you line descends, I can give you what I have... How far back have you gone with Goncalo Aires Ferreira? I understand that his ancestry may be questionable... Here's what I have (short version). Goncalo Aires Ferreira son of Gomes MARTINS Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) and Isabel Pereira de Lacerda.-same Gomes son of Martim Mem Ferreira and Violante AFFONSO DA CUNHA Brites Anes Sandim (her line ends). That's it for me! All mine are from the same source above HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical...whch I am going to have to dig out and re-check as soon as time allows! This line contines for me from Martim & Violante's son Gomes MARTINS FERREIRA Mem son of Estevao Ferreira (his line ends) and Maior Martins Fariseu daughter of Martim Anes de Azevedo and Sancha Martins (her line ends). Martim son of Joao Lourenco Escola (his line ends) and Maior Esteves de Azevedo daughter of Estevao Lourenco (his line ends) and Teresa Gomes de Azevedo daughter of Gomes Pais de Azevedo and Constanca Rodrigues Vasconcelos daughter of Mecia Rodrigues de Penela and Rodrigo Anes Vasconcelos. Not sure how accurate all this is... my primary source of info was Genea Portugal (Sapo Online)... Pat Denise1270@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat, Eva Gomes Ferreira is my great-grandaunt. Her sister Guiomar Ferreira was my 15th great-grandmother. So I guess you can add me to your cousins list! Let me know if you'd like to share/compare. Denise D'Antona In a message dated 8/26/2007 5:45:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, papagaia2@sbcglobal.net writes: Hi Leandro, Cece and List Members, , Well my life seems to be getting back to what I call "normal." My daughter and her family are all settled in their new home... so it's back to being more active with researching my Portuguese roots... Happy to read that finally Cece and I have located a common ancestor. To the best of my knowledge to date I've linked with Luis Beal, Leandro and I think that Luis K.W. and I found a common ancestor, but as best as I can recall it's been challenged... I think it had to do with my Abreu line, which is questionable... need to do additional research.. If you have any questions about this line, just let me know... and I'd like to add your link to my files... Prima Pat Here's how my line from Eva descends: Mem Ferreira (son of Estevao Ferreira and Maior Martins Fariseu) m. Brites Anes Sandim [Source: Genea Portugal Sapo: Mem Ferreira, 2nd. Senhor da Casa de Cavaleiros]. Parents of: Gomes Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) m. Isabel Pereira de Lacerda (daughter of Martim Goncalves de Lacerda and Violante Pereira) [Source: M.F. Doria - posting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006] Parents of: Goncalo Aires Ferreira and 'unknown' Parents of: Eva Gomes Ferreira m. Vasco Fernandes (Escudeiro) Source: Genea Portugal Sapo Parents of: Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins Moniz (Brites was also married to Henriques Teixeira son of Tristao Vaz Teixeira & Branca Teixeira. I to date have not directly linked with either of the three original Captains Madeira ) I have the following children for Brites and Vasco: Garcia Moniz m. Catarina Teixeira Diogo Moniz m. Filippa de Mendonca **Ignez Moniz (My 16th ggmother) m. Joao Lourenco de Miranda (My 16th ggfather) Parents of: Guiomar Moniz m. Alvaro Anes da Rua Parents of: Ignez Alvares da Rua m. Luis de Atouguia Parents of: Branca de Atouguia m. Francisco Alvares da Costa parents of: Source: Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello Director of ARM Chart 77 Source: Nobiliario da Ilha da Madeira, by Henrique Henriques de Noronha. Titulo: Costas Atouguias."Francisco Alvares dâ?Ta Costa, filho de Luis Alvares da Costa, herdou a casa de seu pae, e foi pagem dâ?TEl Rei D. Manuel, e muito seu acceito: foi muito rico, e teve grande casa: foi Vedor e Provedor de toda a Fazenda das Alfandegas dâ?Testa Ilha e Porto Sancto; foi por várias vezes a Africa com soccorros em que gastou muito de sua fazenda; jaz enterrado com seu pae nâ?Ta Capella Maior dâ?Ta Igreja de São Francisco dâ?Testa Cidade, como dâ?To lettreiro dâ?Ta mesma sepultura consta." Casou com Branca dâ?TAtouguia, filha de Luiz de Atouguia, Thesoureiro Mór dâ?T El Rei D. Manuel, e de Ignez Alvares dâ?Ta Rua, em titulo de Atouguias. Branca and Francisco parents of: Rodrigo Alvares da Costa m. Inez Delgado (daughter of *Pedro Delgado de Abreu (o Nabo) and Isabel Fernandes (a Velha d'a Serra) Source: Genea Portugal (Sapo) Online. Source: Nobiliario da Madeira by Henrique Henriques de Noronha. Titulo: Delgados - also titulo - Freitas d'a Magdalena. *Pedro Delgado , a quem chamárão de alcunha o Nabo, era natural de Portugal, dâ?Ta Arruda; passou com sua mulher a viver a esta Ilha pouco depois de seu descobrimento. Foi casado com Izabel Fernandes, a quem chamárão a Vêlha dâ?Ta Serra, filha de Fernão Nunes Cardoso, e de Catharina de Gouvêa. Rodrigo and Inez parents of: Leonor da Costa (b. abt 1525 Calheta, Madeira) m. Jorge Pinto ( Source: Familias da Madeira e do Porto Santo," by Conego Fernando de Menezes Vaz. Titulo: Pintos. Source: Genea Portugal (Sapo) online. Parents of: Jorge Pinto da Costa m. Margarida Anes de Amil (also married Diogo Nunes Pinto brother of Jorge Pinto da Costa). Jorge and Margarida Source: Pedigree Charts Source: Familias da Madeira e do Porto Santo," by Conego Fernando de Menezes Vaz. Titulo: "Pintos do Real." Parents of: Isabel de Amil Ponta do Sol, Madeira m. Joao Barreto Parents of: Joao Barreto m. 20 Feb 1629 Calheta, Madeira to Ana Cesar Marriage Record online (ARM) 1629 Book 533 Pg 66v, Calheta, Madeira Parents of: Agueda Cesar Abreu Andrade m. 30 May 1662 Calheta, Madeira to Bartolomeu Velosa de Lira (Capt) Marriage Record online (ARM) 1662 Book 533a Pg 34v Calheta, Madeira Agueda and Bartolomeu parents of: Jacome Cesar de Lira m. 19 Feb 1707 Calheta, Madeira to Lourenca Homem d'El-Rei Marriage information per Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello- Director of ARM Jacome and Lourenca parents of: Agueda Cesar e Lira m. 18 May 1734 Calheta, Madeira to Francisco Manuel de Memezes Marriage Information: Per Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello - Director of ARM Agueda and Francisco parents of: Pedro Homem d'El-Rei b. 12 Mar 1748 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. Inacia Nunes b. 6 Feb 1765 Achadas da Cruz, Porto do Moniz, Madeira Marriage Record: ARM Online Pedro Homem d'El Rei and Inácia Nunes - Porto do Moniz Year 1787 Book 1197 Page 100 v.º Parents of: Ana Delfina Cesar b. 16 Feb 1788 Achadas da Cruz, Porto do Moniz, Madeira m. 6 Sept 1813 Calheta, Madeira to Jose Agostinho Ferreira b. 6 Mar 1785 Vargem da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record: Jose Ferreira and Ana Delfina Cesar - Book 537 Pg 175, 1813 Calheta, Madeira. parents of: Ana Cesar Ferreira b. 22 May 1820 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. 29 Oct 1855 Calheta, Madeira to Antonio Rodrigues Farinha Jardim b. 9 May 1821 Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record: Antonio Rodrigues Farinha and Ana Cesar Ferreira - Book 540 Pg 33v, 1855 Calheta, Madeira . parents of: Maria Augusta Jardim Rodrigues b. 14 Feb 1858 Varge da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m.05 Feb 1877 Calheta, Madeira to Manuel da Silva Se' b. 21 March 1849 Varge da Estrela, Calehta, Madeira Marriage Record: Manuel da Silva Se' and Maria Augusta Rodrigues (ARM) 1877 Book 4373 Pg 3, Calheta, Madeira. parents of: Antonio da Silva Se' b. 01 Jan 1881 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. 23 July 1900 Calheta, Madeira to Julia Augusta da Camara de Freitas b. 24 Nov 1883 Lombo das Laranjeiras, Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record:Online (ARM) 1900 Book 7520a Pg 9v, Calheta, Madeira Antonio and Julia are my maternal grandparents. Parents of: Maria Madelina da Silva Se' born 15 July 1901 Lombo das Laranjeiras, Calheta, Madeira. m. 05 June 1915 Lowell, MA USA to Joao Evangelista da Silva Se' (Maria and Joao are MY PARETNTS. They are 1st. cousins, one generation removed... Joao's father was Maria's father's uncle. Patricia (Pat) J. Silva Corbera gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat.... Im a descendant of Eva as well..... i heard and read the same records that you have and it appears that info is pretty much right Leandro -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera To: cece@soccer4all.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? Cece, and List Members, Goncalo Aires Ferreira and an un-named spouse are my 19 ggparents, my line continues with their daughter Eva Gomes Ferreira, twin to Adao Goncalves Ferreira. I've read the same story about Eva and Adao being the first children to be born on the island of Madeira, and that they were named after Adam and Eve. Adao m. Brites Pires. Eva m. Vasco Fernandes, their daughter Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins Moniz I have Goncalo's parents as being Gomes Ferreira and Isabel Pereira (de Lacerda). My source is noted as : Genea Portugal (Sapo) and M. F. Doria - posting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006. Other children said to have been fathered by Goncalo Aires Ferreira were: Belchior Goncalves Ferreira m. Branca Afonso Drummond Gaspar Goncalves Ferreira m. Catarina or Clara Anes Drummond Guiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes ( o Trovador) Pat Silva Corbera www.geocities.com/papagaia2 p.s. Cece is this our link to common ancestry? Cece Camara wrote: Paulo, So then, are we not to trust HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical. Which shows Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife to be Dona Isabel Pereira - (they are also a direct line of mine)...and this is where I show the information sourced from. Cece ----Original Message----- rom: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paulo Gomes Jardim ent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:51 PM o: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? n Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:25:48 +0100, Fernandes, Jose rote: > There is an old story (?) that claims that the first children born in Madeira were named Adam and Eve. Their father was Gonçalo Eanes or Anes or Enes. He had lands in what is today's São Gonçalo on the east side of Funchal. In the early 16th century there were Anes in Caniço which is not too far from this place. As far as I know, the story of Adão and Eva is real, and documental vidence exists of the name Adão persisting, even as patronimic, throught onçalo Aires (not Anes) descendancy. s for Gonçalo Aires, full name is Gonçalo Aires Ferreira, and was Zarco's ight hand man. 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How interesting bold, underline, and italics have worked before but did not work on your e-mail. Maybe we have to be even simpler these days meaning capital or small letters. Simplifying can be a good thing, maybe !?! Luis Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: Thanks Luis-Didn't know about the color-but I did notce when the message came in my wasn't colored, so thanks for the other options to work with next time. I've copied and pasted the the text that was colored below using Luis suggestions of bold and underline and Italic to see how they work- The regular font was Pat's original info.. Cece Goncalo Aires Ferreira son of Gomes MARTINS Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) and Isabel Pereira de Lacerda.-same Gomes son of Martim Mem Ferreira and Violante AFFONSO DA CUNHA Brites Anes Sandim (her line ends). That's it for me! All mine are from the same source above HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical...whch I am going to have to dig out and re-check as soon as time allows! This line contines for me from Martim & Violante's son Gomes MARTINS FERREIRA -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Luis Beal Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 1:06 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Eva Gomes Ferreira -(Guiomar Ferreira) Just a couple of things, the books do not list every child a couple had. I noticed that these books list mainly people who were well to do and whose descendancy remained well to do. As for colored fonts remember rootsweb is extremly simple and only allows simple things, meaning black font, underline, italics, and bold. No attachments or graphics allowed either. Luis Cece Camara wrote: OK, since Paulo isn't around to answer the question I asked earlier, I'll try you Pat!! Is there a reason why, to your knowledge, no one trusts the HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical...which is where I have Dona Isabel Perreira sourced as Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife. You've all got me wondering if I need to go find it and re-read it...maybe I wrote something down wrong! Although, I don't have this child, Guiomar in my tree, so maybe there is a 2nd unknown wife, who is the mother of this Guiomar? My descendancy comes from Goncalo and Isabel through their daughter Eva. I've written in red below what my difference are with what you have written. -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Patricia Corbera Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 6:15 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Eva Gomes Ferreira -(Guiomar Ferreira) Hi Prima Denise, Yes, I'd love to share and exchange with you... I have two spouses for Guiomar Ferreira daughter of Goncalo Aires Ferreira and "Unknown." Guiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes (o Trovador) and Joao Affonco (no additional info on this individual). If you tell how you line descends, I can give you what I have... How far back have you gone with Goncalo Aires Ferreira? I understand that his ancestry may be questionable... Here's what I have (short version). Goncalo Aires Ferreira son of Gomes MARTINS Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) and Isabel Pereira de Lacerda.-same Gomes son of Martim Mem Ferreira and Violante AFFONSO DA CUNHA Brites Anes Sandim (her line ends). That's it for me! All mine are from the same source above HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical...whch I am going to have to dig out and re-check as soon as time allows! This line contines for me from Martim & Violante's son Gomes MARTINS FERREIRA Mem son of Estevao Ferreira (his line ends) and Maior Martins Fariseu daughter of Martim Anes de Azevedo and Sancha Martins (her line ends). Martim son of Joao Lourenco Escola (his line ends) and Maior Esteves de Azevedo daughter of Estevao Lourenco (his line ends) and Teresa Gomes de Azevedo daughter of Gomes Pais de Azevedo and Constanca Rodrigues Vasconcelos daughter of Mecia Rodrigues de Penela and Rodrigo Anes Vasconcelos. Not sure how accurate all this is... my primary source of info was Genea Portugal (Sapo Online)... Pat Denise1270@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat, Eva Gomes Ferreira is my great-grandaunt. Her sister Guiomar Ferreira was my 15th great-grandmother. So I guess you can add me to your cousins list! Let me know if you'd like to share/compare. Denise D'Antona In a message dated 8/26/2007 5:45:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, papagaia2@sbcglobal.net writes: Hi Leandro, Cece and List Members, , Well my life seems to be getting back to what I call "normal." My daughter and her family are all settled in their new home... so it's back to being more active with researching my Portuguese roots... Happy to read that finally Cece and I have located a common ancestor. To the best of my knowledge to date I've linked with Luis Beal, Leandro and I think that Luis K.W. and I found a common ancestor, but as best as I can recall it's been challenged... I think it had to do with my Abreu line, which is questionable... need to do additional research.. If you have any questions about this line, just let me know... and I'd like to add your link to my files... Prima Pat Here's how my line from Eva descends: Mem Ferreira (son of Estevao Ferreira and Maior Martins Fariseu) m. Brites Anes Sandim [Source: Genea Portugal Sapo: Mem Ferreira, 2nd. Senhor da Casa de Cavaleiros]. Parents of: Gomes Ferreira (de Cavaleiros) m. Isabel Pereira de Lacerda (daughter of Martim Goncalves de Lacerda and Violante Pereira) [Source: M.F. Doria - posting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006] Parents of: Goncalo Aires Ferreira and 'unknown' Parents of: Eva Gomes Ferreira m. Vasco Fernandes (Escudeiro) Source: Genea Portugal Sapo Parents of: Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins Moniz (Brites was also married to Henriques Teixeira son of Tristao Vaz Teixeira & Branca Teixeira. I to date have not directly linked with either of the three original Captains Madeira ) I have the following children for Brites and Vasco: Garcia Moniz m. Catarina Teixeira Diogo Moniz m. Filippa de Mendonca **Ignez Moniz (My 16th ggmother) m. Joao Lourenco de Miranda (My 16th ggfather) Parents of: Guiomar Moniz m. Alvaro Anes da Rua Parents of: Ignez Alvares da Rua m. Luis de Atouguia Parents of: Branca de Atouguia m. Francisco Alvares da Costa parents of: Source: Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello Director of ARM Chart 77 Source: Nobiliario da Ilha da Madeira, by Henrique Henriques de Noronha. Titulo: Costas Atouguias."Francisco Alvares dâ?Ta Costa, filho de Luis Alvares da Costa, herdou a casa de seu pae, e foi pagem dâ?TEl Rei D. Manuel, e muito seu acceito: foi muito rico, e teve grande casa: foi Vedor e Provedor de toda a Fazenda das Alfandegas dâ?Testa Ilha e Porto Sancto; foi por várias vezes a Africa com soccorros em que gastou muito de sua fazenda; jaz enterrado com seu pae nâ?Ta Capella Maior dâ?Ta Igreja de São Francisco dâ?Testa Cidade, como dâ?To lettreiro dâ?Ta mesma sepultura consta." Casou com Branca dâ?TAtouguia, filha de Luiz de Atouguia, Thesoureiro Mór dâ?T El Rei D. Manuel, e de Ignez Alvares dâ?Ta Rua, em titulo de Atouguias. Branca and Francisco parents of: Rodrigo Alvares da Costa m. Inez Delgado (daughter of *Pedro Delgado de Abreu (o Nabo) and Isabel Fernandes (a Velha d'a Serra) Source: Genea Portugal (Sapo) Online. Source: Nobiliario da Madeira by Henrique Henriques de Noronha. Titulo: Delgados - also titulo - Freitas d'a Magdalena. *Pedro Delgado , a quem chamárão de alcunha o Nabo, era natural de Portugal, dâ?Ta Arruda; passou com sua mulher a viver a esta Ilha pouco depois de seu descobrimento. Foi casado com Izabel Fernandes, a quem chamárão a Vêlha dâ?Ta Serra, filha de Fernão Nunes Cardoso, e de Catharina de Gouvêa. Rodrigo and Inez parents of: Leonor da Costa (b. abt 1525 Calheta, Madeira) m. Jorge Pinto ( Source: Familias da Madeira e do Porto Santo," by Conego Fernando de Menezes Vaz. Titulo: Pintos. Source: Genea Portugal (Sapo) online. Parents of: Jorge Pinto da Costa m. Margarida Anes de Amil (also married Diogo Nunes Pinto brother of Jorge Pinto da Costa). Jorge and Margarida Source: Pedigree Charts Source: Familias da Madeira e do Porto Santo," by Conego Fernando de Menezes Vaz. Titulo: "Pintos do Real." Parents of: Isabel de Amil Ponta do Sol, Madeira m. Joao Barreto Parents of: Joao Barreto m. 20 Feb 1629 Calheta, Madeira to Ana Cesar Marriage Record online (ARM) 1629 Book 533 Pg 66v, Calheta, Madeira Parents of: Agueda Cesar Abreu Andrade m. 30 May 1662 Calheta, Madeira to Bartolomeu Velosa de Lira (Capt) Marriage Record online (ARM) 1662 Book 533a Pg 34v Calheta, Madeira Agueda and Bartolomeu parents of: Jacome Cesar de Lira m. 19 Feb 1707 Calheta, Madeira to Lourenca Homem d'El-Rei Marriage information per Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello- Director of ARM Jacome and Lourenca parents of: Agueda Cesar e Lira m. 18 May 1734 Calheta, Madeira to Francisco Manuel de Memezes Marriage Information: Per Sr. Luis de Sousa Mello - Director of ARM Agueda and Francisco parents of: Pedro Homem d'El-Rei b. 12 Mar 1748 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. Inacia Nunes b. 6 Feb 1765 Achadas da Cruz, Porto do Moniz, Madeira Marriage Record: ARM Online Pedro Homem d'El Rei and Inácia Nunes - Porto do Moniz Year 1787 Book 1197 Page 100 v.º Parents of: Ana Delfina Cesar b. 16 Feb 1788 Achadas da Cruz, Porto do Moniz, Madeira m. 6 Sept 1813 Calheta, Madeira to Jose Agostinho Ferreira b. 6 Mar 1785 Vargem da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record: Jose Ferreira and Ana Delfina Cesar - Book 537 Pg 175, 1813 Calheta, Madeira. parents of: Ana Cesar Ferreira b. 22 May 1820 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. 29 Oct 1855 Calheta, Madeira to Antonio Rodrigues Farinha Jardim b. 9 May 1821 Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record: Antonio Rodrigues Farinha and Ana Cesar Ferreira - Book 540 Pg 33v, 1855 Calheta, Madeira . parents of: Maria Augusta Jardim Rodrigues b. 14 Feb 1858 Varge da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m.05 Feb 1877 Calheta, Madeira to Manuel da Silva Se' b. 21 March 1849 Varge da Estrela, Calehta, Madeira Marriage Record: Manuel da Silva Se' and Maria Augusta Rodrigues (ARM) 1877 Book 4373 Pg 3, Calheta, Madeira. parents of: Antonio da Silva Se' b. 01 Jan 1881 Lombo da Estrela, Calheta, Madeira m. 23 July 1900 Calheta, Madeira to Julia Augusta da Camara de Freitas b. 24 Nov 1883 Lombo das Laranjeiras, Calheta, Madeira Marriage Record:Online (ARM) 1900 Book 7520a Pg 9v, Calheta, Madeira Antonio and Julia are my maternal grandparents. Parents of: Maria Madelina da Silva Se' born 15 July 1901 Lombo das Laranjeiras, Calheta, Madeira. m. 05 June 1915 Lowell, MA USA to Joao Evangelista da Silva Se' (Maria and Joao are MY PARETNTS. They are 1st. cousins, one generation removed... Joao's father was Maria's father's uncle. Patricia (Pat) J. Silva Corbera gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: Hi Pat.... Im a descendant of Eva as well..... i heard and read the same records that you have and it appears that info is pretty much right Leandro -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera To: cece@soccer4all.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? Cece, and List Members, Goncalo Aires Ferreira and an un-named spouse are my 19 ggparents, my line continues with their daughter Eva Gomes Ferreira, twin to Adao Goncalves Ferreira. I've read the same story about Eva and Adao being the first children to be born on the island of Madeira, and that they were named after Adam and Eve. Adao m. Brites Pires. Eva m. Vasco Fernandes, their daughter Brites Vaz Ferreira m. Vasco Martins Moniz I have Goncalo's parents as being Gomes Ferreira and Isabel Pereira (de Lacerda). My source is noted as : Genea Portugal (Sapo) and M. F. Doria - posting to portugal-gen@yahoogroups.com Jan 17 2006. Other children said to have been fathered by Goncalo Aires Ferreira were: Belchior Goncalves Ferreira m. Branca Afonso Drummond Gaspar Goncalves Ferreira m. Catarina or Clara Anes Drummond Guiomar Ferreira m. Joao Gomes ( o Trovador) Pat Silva Corbera www.geocities.com/papagaia2 p.s. Cece is this our link to common ancestry? Cece Camara wrote: Paulo, So then, are we not to trust HHN-Henrique Henriques de Noronha-Nobilarios of Madeira, Portugal, Monizes Barbosa do Canical. Which shows Goncalo Aires Ferreira's wife to be Dona Isabel Pereira - (they are also a direct line of mine)...and this is where I show the information sourced from. Cece ----Original Message----- rom: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paulo Gomes Jardim ent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:51 PM o: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Anyone there can help me??? n Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:25:48 +0100, Fernandes, Jose rote: > There is an old story (?) that claims that the first children born in Madeira were named Adam and Eve. Their father was Gonçalo Eanes or Anes or Enes. He had lands in what is today's São Gonçalo on the east side of Funchal. In the early 16th century there were Anes in Caniço which is not too far from this place. As far as I know, the story of Adão and Eva is real, and documental vidence exists of the name Adão persisting, even as patronimic, throught onçalo Aires (not Anes) descendancy. s for Gonçalo Aires, full name is Gonçalo Aires Ferreira, and was Zarco's ight hand man. Possibly the only settler of the first bunch with some obility, but no one knows who was his wife/mistress. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. 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