Mary, For my own information, how do you know Manuel's and Antónia's parents without the marriage certificate? From baptismal certificates? I have a problem also similar to that one. Thanks. José Fernandes -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Frost Sent: May 28, 2007 8:51 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] question about marriage records Hello Leandro; Thank you for your offer. I am still unsuccessful in obtaining the book!!! Do you know anything about Antonia da Mata who married Manuel de Freitas circa 1700? I cannot find a record of their marriage. Manuel de Freitas parent's were from Gaula and I have been able to track them without much problem. Antonia's parents were Manuel Pires and Maria da Mata married Nov 10, 1678 Nossa Senhora da Luz, Gaula. Manuel Pires son of Antonio Pires and Maria de Couto (married 1653- Gaula), Maria da Mata daughter of Estevao Pires and Catarina da Mata (married 1650-Gaula). Any and all information appreciated. Thanks, Mary -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gregobhte1@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:27 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] question about marriage records Hi Mary.... i have the book called "FAMILIAS DA GAULA" families from Gaula....so if you need anything from there just let me know. Maybe i can help :) Leandro ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Jose: I have copies of baptism records and also various marriage and baptism records from children of Manuel and Antonia that list both parents and grandparents. I just cannot find the actual marriage of Manuel and Antonia! Mary da Silva Frost -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fernandes, Jose Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 9:20 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] question about marriage records Mary, For my own information, how do you know Manuel's and Antónia's parents without the marriage certificate? From baptismal certificates? I have a problem also similar to that one. Thanks. José Fernandes -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Frost Sent: May 28, 2007 8:51 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] question about marriage records Hello Leandro; Thank you for your offer. I am still unsuccessful in obtaining the book!!! Do you know anything about Antonia da Mata who married Manuel de Freitas circa 1700? I cannot find a record of their marriage. Manuel de Freitas parent's were from Gaula and I have been able to track them without much problem. Antonia's parents were Manuel Pires and Maria da Mata married Nov 10, 1678 Nossa Senhora da Luz, Gaula. Manuel Pires son of Antonio Pires and Maria de Couto (married 1653- Gaula), Maria da Mata daughter of Estevao Pires and Catarina da Mata (married 1650-Gaula). Any and all information appreciated. Thanks, Mary -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gregobhte1@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:27 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] question about marriage records Hi Mary.... i have the book called "FAMILIAS DA GAULA" families from Gaula....so if you need anything from there just let me know. Maybe i can help :) Leandro ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Mary. I also have that problem. I have a Jorge Dias and Isabel Fernandes in the mid 1600's but can't find the marriage. I have found another brother to my direct ancestor, but no marriage of the parents. What do you think happened? Many things I guess! But what is the likeliest? José p.s. Gaula is not too far from Caniço. In fact both belong to Santa Cruz -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Frost Sent: May 28, 2007 2:41 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] question about marriage records Hello Jose: I have copies of baptism records and also various marriage and baptism records from children of Manuel and Antonia that list both parents and grandparents. I just cannot find the actual marriage of Manuel and Antonia! Mary da Silva Frost -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fernandes, Jose Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 9:20 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] question about marriage records Mary, For my own information, how do you know Manuel's and Antónia's parents without the marriage certificate? From baptismal certificates? I have a problem also similar to that one. Thanks. José Fernandes -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Frost Sent: May 28, 2007 8:51 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] question about marriage records Hello Leandro; Thank you for your offer. I am still unsuccessful in obtaining the book!!! Do you know anything about Antonia da Mata who married Manuel de Freitas circa 1700? I cannot find a record of their marriage. Manuel de Freitas parent's were from Gaula and I have been able to track them without much problem. Antonia's parents were Manuel Pires and Maria da Mata married Nov 10, 1678 Nossa Senhora da Luz, Gaula. Manuel Pires son of Antonio Pires and Maria de Couto (married 1653- Gaula), Maria da Mata daughter of Estevao Pires and Catarina da Mata (married 1650-Gaula). Any and all information appreciated. Thanks, Mary -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gregobhte1@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:27 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] question about marriage records Hi Mary.... i have the book called "FAMILIAS DA GAULA" families from Gaula....so if you need anything from there just let me know. Maybe i can help :) Leandro ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message