On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 23:25:17 +0100, Scot Austin <scotaustin@comcast.net> wrote: [..] > I have started a rudimentary database from historical sources of > Madeiran colonists prior to the keeping of patish records hoping to > someday bridge the gap to documented Madeirans. In it I show two > daughters of John Drummond and Branca Affonco with the name Annes they > are Caterina Annes and Izabel Annes Escorcio both born in Santa Cruz > about the 1440's. Izabel married Joao Leira. Perhaps Branca was related > to the Annes family. Not at all. In this case, they are called Anes because her father was João, the famous João da Escócia, or John Drummond. > Also I have a Rodrigo Annes of Santa Cruz father of Izabel Rodrigues > Andrada b abt 1488 both died in Calheta. Izabel married Pedro Berenguer > Leminhana of Calheta. Known as Rodrigo Anes da Lombada, dead before 1511, I have him placed in Calheta, where his possessions were located, not Santa Cruz. Why do you say he's from Santa Cruz? > Also a Pedro Eannes married Izabel Goncalves dau. of Goncalo Airies > Ferreira abt 1460 This would be Pedro Anes, Contador dos Contos, certainly not born in Madeira. Passed the family job (Contador dos Contos) to the CANTO family, by the marriage of his daughter. None of those are probably even slightly related to the Ribeira Brava farmer Fernão d'Anes. -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio

Paulo Gomes Jardim wrote: > On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 23:25:17 +0100, Scot Austin <scotaustin@comcast.net> > wrote: > > [..] > >> I have started a rudimentary database from historical sources of >> Madeiran colonists prior to the keeping of patish records hoping to >> someday bridge the gap to documented Madeirans. In it I show two >> daughters of John Drummond and Branca Affonco with the name Annes they >> are Caterina Annes and Izabel Annes Escorcio both born in Santa Cruz >> about the 1440's. Izabel married Joao Leira. Perhaps Branca was related >> to the Annes family. >> > > Not at all. In this case, they are called Anes because her father was > João, the famous João da Escócia, or John Drummond. > Thanks, I did not realize Anes was a patronymic as it bears little resemblance to João. Perhaps John Drummond was called Ian in Scotland? I have long been interested in the notion that his grandfather, Prince Henry Sinclair acquired navigational information on his reputed 1398 voyage to Nova Scotia that may have been passed on from John's son, João Escorcio to Cristao Colon. This voyage, the Zeno map and Columbus' nationality are the subject of much dispute and controversy. But is fascinating. > >> Also I have a Rodrigo Annes of Santa Cruz father of Izabel Rodrigues >> Andrada b abt 1488 both died in Calheta. Izabel married Pedro Berenguer >> Leminhana of Calheta. >> > > Known as Rodrigo Anes da Lombada, dead before 1511, I have him placed in > Calheta, where his possessions were located, not Santa Cruz. > Why do you say he's from Santa Cruz? > He is shown in the ancestral file with the following information: Birth: Abt 1462 Of Lombada, S.cruz, Madeira, Funchal, Portugal Death: Jul 1505 Calheta, Madeira, Funchal, Portugal Burial: S.catarina, Lmbda, S.cruz, Madeira, Funchal, Portugal Normally I wouldn't put credence in this source, but in this case it was submitted by the LDS medieval families committee which was meant to validate from primary sources all information for inclusion, prior to a certain date, 1600 or so. However, the committee was eventually dissolved because the members were unable to agree on standards of proof and they have never published their sources for what had been submitted. > >> Also a Pedro Eannes married Izabel Goncalves dau. of Goncalo Airies >> Ferreira abt 1460 >> > > This would be Pedro Anes, Contador dos Contos, certainly not born in > Madeira. Passed the family job (Contador dos Contos) to the CANTO family, > by the marriage of his daughter. > > None of those are probably even slightly related to the Ribeira Brava > farmer Fernão d'Anes. > >