In a message dated 01/07/2007 18:23:36 GMT Daylight Time, darwin@spamcop.net writes: I have one question for Leandro- I show the mother of Antonio Teixeira > Cardosa as Isabel de Gois (not Ilena,nor do I have a daughter Ilena)-not > sure if I got it from HHN or Nobiliario da Ilha da Madeira, Portugal, It's probably Isabel. There seems to have been a daughter Helena indeed, who maried Mem de Ornelas e Vasconcelos. Hi Paulo.... You are absolutely right about the names. Is Isabel and she has a daughter Helena. YES!! the confusion is between sources coming from Peter Clode and the author of the book Familias da Gaula. Leandro

On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:01:20 +0100, <Gregobhte1@aol.com> wrote: [..] > Hi Paulo.... > You are absolutely right about the names. Is Isabel and she has a > daughter > Helena. YES!! the confusion is between sources coming from Peter Clode > and the > author of the book Familias da Gaula. I also have the book "Familias de Gaula", the last 2005 corrected edition. I must say it is a monumental effort and a most invaluable book to have for anyone interested in Madeira Genealogies. It's available for sell in Junta de Freguesia de Gaula, people aboard interested to acquire it may probably write to them and ask for an exemplar. I must also say that from my experience this book is ridden with errors, either on dates of marriage, on ascendancy of married couples, and on many assumptions made there, such as congregating all the Afonsos, Gonçalves, Rodrigues, Jorges, etc. all in one family, when they are patronimics, and thus often unrelated between themselves. It's quite good for using as a guide, but you must always confirm the data against original records. The quality of the data improves as we reach modern times, and most living people from Gaula can easily find their way up from there. It's unfortunate, however, that a name index is not included, and the method of classification (surnames, as opposed to lineages) is not the ideal, in my opinion. The author, José Lourenço de Gouveia e Freitas, has the immense credit of dedicating the same effort to popular lineages as to more aristochratic ones, and took great care to include many expatriate families now living abroad in USA, Venezuela, South Africa, Jersey, etc.. I highly recommend as well "Gaula: a Terra e a Gente", which should act as a complement for the former one, or vice-versa. I find this book to be more accurate historically than the genealogical study. Paulo -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio

Paulo/Leandro, OK-been a while and I'm going back to old e-mails from the list to see what I may have missed and found this one...and want to make sure I understand. So Isabel de Gois and Fernao Nunes Cardoso - the parents of Antonio Teixeira Cardosa- also had a daughter named Helena ? (what was her last name) who married Mem de Ornelas e Vasconcelos, who is the son of Alvaro de Ornelas Saavadra and Dona Constanca de Mendonca Vasoncelos ???- Alvaro & Constanca are one of my directs. Thanks, Cece PS-BTW - is it Cardosa or Cardoso - the marriage database is almost exclusively Cardoso -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Gregobhte1@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:01 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Isabel de Gois In a message dated 01/07/2007 18:23:36 GMT Daylight Time, darwin@spamcop.net writes: I have one question for Leandro- I show the mother of Antonio Teixeira > Cardosa as Isabel de Gois (not Ilena,nor do I have a daughter Ilena)-not > sure if I got it from HHN or Nobiliario da Ilha da Madeira, Portugal, It's probably Isabel. There seems to have been a daughter Helena indeed, who maried Mem de Ornelas e Vasconcelos. Hi Paulo.... You are absolutely right about the names. Is Isabel and she has a daughter Helena. YES!! the confusion is between sources coming from Peter Clode and the author of the book Familias da Gaula. Leandro ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message