In a message dated 01/07/2007 18:20:37 GMT Daylight Time, darwin@spamcop.net writes: Now tell me, how do you traced Joana Dias de Vares to John Drummond? If that's the who married Francisco de Góis Cardoso, she appears to be the daughter of António Dias, a barrel crafter from Guimaraes (Portugal mainland), and Maria de Vares, from Funchal, married in 1550 at Sé. I don't know of any relation of them with the Drummonds. Hi Paulo.... Got this info thru the book "Familias da Gaula" and and also because my 12th great-grandfather used the surname Drummond around 1680's and i had no idea that i was related to this family. Joana is daughter of ALEIXO (not antonio) dias and Maria Vares and this Maria vares is Diogo Goncalves that is the son of pedro goncalves ferreira that is the son of catarina anes drummond that is the daughter of the scottish john drummond. Leandro

On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 13:58:47 +0100, <Gregobhte1@aol.com> wrote: > In a message dated 01/07/2007 18:20:37 GMT Daylight Time, > darwin@spamcop.net > writes: > > Now tell me, how do you traced Joana Dias de Vares to John Drummond? > If that's the who married Francisco de Góis Cardoso, she appears to be > the > daughter of António Dias, a barrel crafter from Guimaraes (Portugal > mainland), and Maria de Vares, from Funchal, married in 1550 at Sé. > I don't know of any relation of them with the Drummonds. > > > Hi Paulo.... > Got this info thru the book "Familias da Gaula" and and also because my > 12th > great-grandfather used the surname Drummond around 1680's and i had no > idea > that i was related to this family. Hi Greg, Who was this g-g-father from? Possibly it would provide a more concrete link to the Drummonds. I find curious that you have a 12th g-g-father living at 1680, as I'm only 33 y.o. and it's my 9th g-g-parents who I find at that time. It is possible, however, if your ancestors married quite young. The earliest certain link to the Drummonds I have is D. Margarida Escórcio Drummond, 8th g-g-mother, lived in Porto Santo in late 17th century where she married Francisco de Sousa Jardim, from Calheta, in 1696. This lady was daughter of Baltazar de Mendonça Furtado and D. Isabel de Castro, also known as Isabel de Flores, a couple that disappears with no trace into the fog of time, despite all my efforts to trace them back. > Joana is daughter of ALEIXO (not antonio) Correct, my mistake. He is still a barrel crafter from Guimarães, according to the Sé marriage book, which I've checked. This, of course, assumming Maria de Vares is the Maria Fernandes which appear on the Marriage record. > dias and Maria Vares and this Maria vares is Diogo Goncalves that is the > son > of pedro goncalves ferreira that is the son of catarina anes drummond > that is > the daughter of the scottish john drummond. Hmmm. I've no evidence to the existance of this "missing link", Diogo Gonçalves, as son of the couple Pedro Gonçalves Ferreira and Catarina de Vares Pereira, much less as father of this Maria de Vares, which doesn't seem to be exactly from the upper classes, as is proposed by her given ascendancy. Moreover, the name Vares was already dispersed at the time, so, even if she is related to that Catarina de Vares Pereira, it may be from a parent on her side, and not exactly on her descendancy. Note as well that no Ferreira, Escórcio and Drummond surname appears on her descendancy, which seems to me to be highly suspect, as those were all surnames more powerful than Vares at the time. About the Vares surname: Earliest reference I know of is Antão Gonçalves de Vares, documented in 1501 as Homem Bom da Câmara do Funchal. The Maria de Vares which allegedly married Aleixo Dias is certainly related to the couple Roque Gomes and Branca de Vares Pereira, which lived in Santa Cruz in middle 16th century. She can't be, however, their daughter, as this couple already had a documented D. Maria de Vares, which married the Morgado Nuno da Costa Moniz in late 16th century. Possible hints to the origins of this family came from the properties inherited by Branca de Vares, daughter of Roque and Branca: - Large Sugar Cane farmland in Santa Luzia, Funchal, extremely valuable, above Stª Luzia Church, at the time a chapel. This property was later on stolen by the merchant Branco family, which gave way to an extensive judicial proccess. - Houses in Rua Direita, Funchal - Farmland in Torrinha, Funchal The above properties point to an urban origin of part of the family, I would bet it's the Vares. - Vineyards in Ribeira da Boaventura, Stª Cruz - Mannor with farmland and other properties in Santa Cruz, seem to have came by way of her father Roque Gomes Owned a white slave named Antónia Alvarenga. This hints to an unknown connection to the Stª Cruz Alvarenga family, as slaves usually beared the names of their present or former owners. Hope this may help, Paulo -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio