On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:45:07 +0100, Scot Austin <scotaustin@comcast.net> wrote: > Paulo Gomes Jardim wrote: >> On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 23:25:17 +0100, Scot Austin <scotaustin@comcast.net> >> wrote: [..] >>> Also I have a Rodrigo Annes of Santa Cruz father of Izabel Rodrigues >>> Andrada b abt 1488 both died in Calheta. Izabel married Pedro Berenguer >>> Leminhana of Calheta. >>> >> >> Known as Rodrigo Anes da Lombada, dead before 1511, I have him placed in >> Calheta, where his possessions were located, not Santa Cruz. >> Why do you say he's from Santa Cruz? >> > He is shown in the ancestral file with the following information: > > Birth: Abt 1462 > Of Lombada, S.cruz, Madeira, Funchal, Portugal > Death: Jul 1505 > Calheta, Madeira, Funchal, Portugal > Burial: > S.catarina, Lmbda, S.cruz, Madeira, Funchal, Portugal > > Normally I wouldn't put credence in this source, but in this case it was > submitted by the LDS medieval families committee which was meant to > validate from primary sources all information for inclusion, prior to a > certain date, 1600 or so. However, the committee was eventually > dissolved because the members were unable to agree on standards of proof > and they have never published their sources for what had been submitted. I would like to know why they say he is buried in Stª Catarina, when he died in Calheta. In fact there are many Lombadas in Calheta, it's Lombada-land, indeed. His Lombada could easily be one of those. Now, what we know is: From title BERENGUER, Nobiliary of HHN: "Fez Rodrigo Annes testamento em Julho de 1505, e n’elle se diz criado d’o Infante D. Henrique que Deus haja, e se manda sepultar n’a sua Egreja de Sta. Catharina que elle fez n’a Lombada onde morava." Now, we know from here that it's his Will, not necessarly his death, which dates from July 1505. Now, from some extremely valuable, direct source data: The properties of Rodrigo Anes da Lombada were shared among his heirs in 10 Sep 1511 in CALHETA, this according to a transcription made by Dr. Luís de Mello (from his particular collection). His daughter Isabel Rodrigues de Andrade seems to have been made Morgada, and inherited his properties. As you know, she married Pedro Berenguer de Leminhana, a foreigner from Catalunha. They lived at the place which is still know as Lombo do Doutor, one of Calheta's many Lombadas. What we gather from all this is that, most probably, this misterious Lombada of Rodrigo Anes is what is known today as Lombo do Doutor (from Dr. Pedro de Leminhana), and has nothing to do with Santa Cruz. The mentioned Chapel of Santa Catarina must have disappeared long ago, and has no relation with the other in Santa Cruz, which certainly caused the confusion, even if it's on a small valley, and not on any Lombada at all (it's located precisely where the TAP flight crashed back in 1977). As for Rodrigo Anes, his death can be placed between 1505 and 1511, more close to the later. Hope this helps. Paulo -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio

Ok, I give up with this one. The list seems to mess up my posts on this, or perhaps it's my email client. Anyone interested on what I have on this guy can write me, and I'll send it. Sorry for the many duplicated messages. Paulo -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio