Thanks, that really helps me understand the origin of some of the names in my family. I didn't know that. Ronnie ----- Original Message ----- From: <luis_k_w@clix.pt> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 1:34 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Isabel de Gois > Ronnie, > > Family names may have several origins. > > Patronimics (from Pater, from the father's name) like: > Gonc,alves (son of Gonc,alo) > Rodrigues (son of Rodrigo) > Lopes (son of Lopo) > Mendes (son of Mem or Mendo) > Soares (son of Soeiro) > Nunes (son of Nuno) > Anes, Eanes, etc., (son of Joao) > > Toponimics (from topos, from some place; should have a 'de' - meaning > FROM - before the name) like: > (de) Almeida > (de) Castro > (de) Freitas > (de) Gouveia > (de) Gois > (de/da) Silva > (de) Sousa > > Religious, like: > da Conceic,ao > de Jesus > do Espirito Santo > etc. > > Nicknames, like: > Louro > Moreno > Ruivo > Careca > Calvo > Barbas > Guedelha > > Luis K W > Lisboa-Portugal > ---------------------- MENSAGEM ORIGINAL ---------------------- > Paulo: > Pardon my asking but I'm in the USA and don't understand what you mean > when > you say and use the word, "patronimics". Can you explain? > > Thanks, Ronnie French (decendent of Jose do Espirito Santo and Virginia > Augusta de Freitas Lopes). > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paulo Gomes Jardim" darwin@spamcop.net > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 3:38 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Isabel de Gois > > > On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:01:20 +0100, Gregobhte1@aol.com wrote: > > [..] > Hi Paulo.... > You are absolutely right about the names. Is Isabel and she has a > daughter > Helena. YES!! the confusion is between sources coming from Peter Clode > and the > author of the book Familias da Gaula. > > I also have the book "Familias de Gaula", the last 2005 corrected edition. > I must say it is a monumental effort and a most invaluable book to have > for anyone interested in Madeira Genealogies. It's available for sell in > Junta de Freguesia de Gaula, people aboard interested to acquire it may > probably write to them and ask for an exemplar. > > I must also say that from my experience this book is ridden with errors, > either on dates of marriage, on ascendancy of married couples, and on many > assumptions made there, such as congregating all the Afonsos, Gonçalves, > Rodrigues, Jorges, etc. all in one family, when they are patronimics, and > thus often unrelated between themselves. > It's quite good for using as a guide, but you must always confirm the data > against original records. > The quality of the data improves as we reach modern times, and most living > people from Gaula can easily find their way up from there. It's > unfortunate, however, that a name index is not included, and the method of > classification (surnames, as opposed to lineages) is not the ideal, in my > opinion. > The author, José Lourenço de Gouveia e Freitas, has the immense credit of > dedicating the same effort to popular lineages as to more aristochratic > ones, and took great care to include many expatriate families now living > abroad in USA, Venezuela, South Africa, Jersey, etc.. > > I highly recommend as well "Gaula: a Terra e a Gente", which should act as > a complement for the former one, or vice-versa. I find this book to be > more accurate historically than the genealogical study. > > Paulo > > -- > " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- > Horacio > > > > ------------- > > Clix ADSL até 24 Mb: a partir de ? 29,90/mês > A Internet mais rápida do mercado, agora com chamadas grátis e downloads > ilimitados! > > Saiba mais em http://acesso.clix.pt/ > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message