Thanks, but I cannot find anything attached. JR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Paiva" <dan_paiva@hotmail.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Escorcio question > Hi John, > > I don't how much value this is, but attached is a Descendancy list of the > Drummond clan. It was supposedly derived from the Carlos Machado > manuscripts > by Rev. Joe Viveiros in Dartmouth, MA. Granted it is sketchy and somewhat > short on details, but it may help identify some of the successive > generations. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Ok, I think I have the line straightened out. I got the information from a > combination of the Portugal List, the Noronha works and Sapo. Here is how > it > goes, at least for our line: > > 1) Joao Drummond or Escorcio cc (1) Branca Afonso da Cunha and (2) cc > Catharina Vaz > 2) Branca Afonso Drummond (1) cc Belchior Goncalves Ferreira (This line > goes > way back, see Sapo) > 3) Belchior Goncalves Escorcio cc Ana Ferreira > 4) Catarina Escorcio cc Francsico Afonso das Cortes > 5) Ana Escorcio cc Diogo Dias Brandao > > Thankfully, I was able to save all my information from the old hard drive! > Remember back up your data to independent media! > > JR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Roias" <jroias@rogers.com> > To: <Denise1270@aol.com>; <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:14 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Escorcio question > > > Sorry, I am unable to find my source-notes at this time. My computer > crashed > and I am trying to find and save as many files as possible. > > I think I got the info from Noronha, and the connection from Sao Miguel to > Madeira, I just can't recall the source, offhand. I should have placed my > info in the notes of the program. > > JR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Denise1270@aol.com > To: jroias@rogers.com ; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 8:36 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Escorcio question > > > Hi John, > > As you know, this is my line too. The info I have on Catarina > Escorcio's > parents is incomplete, but I have her father listed as Joao Ferreira ou > Escorcio born on Madeira with no mother listed...So I am clearly missing > something here. My question to you is; did John Drummond ever use > Ferreira > in any record, or is this Joao I have mentioned the "missing link" you > were > talking about? > > Denise D'Antona > > In a message dated 7/4/2007 8:59:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > jroias@rogers.com writes: > I noticed Paulo's reference to the Azores, and that some people passed > through Madeira before settling in the Azores. This was true of the > Colombreiro's for certain, who and there are Moura's in Santa Maria and > Sao > Miguel. > > In any event it occurred to me that I could try asking about my > Brandao - Escocia ancestors from Sao Miguel. > > Does anyone know if the following is correct:, or of any connections > from Madeira to Sao Miguel regarding the Escorcia line? I think I may be > missing a generation, or it is simply wrong. > > JR > > Descendants of Francisco Afonso das Cortes > > > Generation No. 1 > > > 1. FRANCISCO AFONSO DAS1 CORTES He married CATARINA ESCORCIO, > daughter > of JOAO DRUMMOND OU ESCOSCIO and BRANCA AFONSO. > > > Child of FRANCISCO CORTES and CATARINA ESCORCIO is: > > 2. i. ANA2 ESCORCIO. > > > > Generation No. 2 > > > 2. ANA2 ESCORCIO She married DIOGO DIAS BRANDAO > > Child of ANA ESCORCIO and DIOGO BRAND©ÐO is: > > 3. i. MONICA DIAS3 BRANDAO, b. resident of Nordeste- Sao Jorge. > > > > Generation No. 3 > > > 3. MONICA DIAS3 BRANDAO was born in resident of Nordeste- Sao Jorge. > She > married ANTONIO AFONSO CAVALEIRO DE SANTIAGO Abt. 1540 in Nordeste- Sao > Jorge, son of JOAO AFONSO and ISABEL BRANDAO. He was resident of Nordeste- > (Sao Jorge igreja), Sao Miguel > > Notes for ANTONIO AFONSO CAVALEIRO DE SANTIAGO: > > Cavaleiro de Santiago, cited by Frutuoso in book four, chapter 36, > item15, and chapter 14 , item 15 > > > Child of MONICA BRANDAO and ANTONIO AFONSO is: > > i. BEATRIZ4 BRANDAO, b. residents of Lomba de Sao Pedro, Nordeste; m. > GASPAR DE TEVE DE MESAS, Abt. 1575, Nordeste- Sao Jorge; b. residents of > Lomba de Sao Pedro, Nordeste. > > Notes for GASPAR DE TEVE DE MESAS: > > Gaspar de Teves Mesa was born in Lomba de Sao Pedro, Nordeste, Sao > Miguel, A©'ores. He married Beatriz Brandoa. > > ------------------------------- > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! > http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We have an aunt who was from the family of Tello and Escorcio. Her father was Joao Telles b. 1862 born in Porto da Cruz, Madeira Island and his wife Christiana Escorcio from Porto da Cruz. They left for Hawaii and farmed and raised also six children. He was listed as 54 and the wife as 24. Joao was 5 foot 3" and his wife Christiana as 5 foot 1". The children were listed as Maria b. 1892, John b. 1902, Beatrice b. 1907, and Virginia 1899. The children were all born in Sao Luzia, Porto da Cruz, Madeira. It is easy to see why they were from Porto da Cruz as that is close to where you can easily arrive from Porto Santo. Also there are Drummonds who migrated to California from Hawaii and Porto Santo They sailed from Madeira to Hawaii in 1906 on the ship Swanley and remained there for many years and are buried there. The daughter Maria met her future spouse on that ship and after several years they migrated to Oakland California in the 1920's. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Roias" <jroias@rogers.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Escorcio question Thanks, but I cannot find anything attached. JR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Paiva" <dan_paiva@hotmail.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Escorcio question > Hi John, > > I don't how much value this is, but attached is a Descendancy list of the > Drummond clan. It was supposedly derived from the Carlos Machado > manuscripts > by Rev. Joe Viveiros in Dartmouth, MA. Granted it is sketchy and somewhat > short on details, but it may help identify some of the successive > generations. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Ok, I think I have the line straightened out. I got the information from a > combination of the Portugal List, the Noronha works and Sapo. Here is how > it > goes, at least for our line: > > 1) Joao Drummond or Escorcio cc (1) Branca Afonso da Cunha and (2) cc > Catharina Vaz > 2) Branca Afonso Drummond (1) cc Belchior Goncalves Ferreira (This line > goes > way back, see Sapo) > 3) Belchior Goncalves Escorcio cc Ana Ferreira > 4) Catarina Escorcio cc Francsico Afonso das Cortes > 5) Ana Escorcio cc Diogo Dias Brandao > > Thankfully, I was able to save all my information from the old hard drive! > Remember back up your data to independent media! > > JR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Roias" <jroias@rogers.com> > To: <Denise1270@aol.com>; <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:14 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Escorcio question > > > Sorry, I am unable to find my source-notes at this time. My computer > crashed > and I am trying to find and save as many files as possible. > > I think I got the info from Noronha, and the connection from Sao Miguel to > Madeira, I just can't recall the source, offhand. I should have placed my > info in the notes of the program. > > JR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Denise1270@aol.com > To: jroias@rogers.com ; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 8:36 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Escorcio question > > > Hi John, > > As you know, this is my line too. The info I have on Catarina > Escorcio's > parents is incomplete, but I have her father listed as Joao Ferreira ou > Escorcio born on Madeira with no mother listed...So I am clearly missing > something here. My question to you is; did John Drummond ever use > Ferreira > in any record, or is this Joao I have mentioned the "missing link" you > were > talking about? > > Denise D'Antona > > In a message dated 7/4/2007 8:59:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > jroias@rogers.com writes: > I noticed Paulo's reference to the Azores, and that some people passed > through Madeira before settling in the Azores. This was true of the > Colombreiro's for certain, who and there are Moura's in Santa Maria and > Sao > Miguel. > > In any event it occurred to me that I could try asking about my > Brandao - Escocia ancestors from Sao Miguel. > > Does anyone know if the following is correct:, or of any connections > from Madeira to Sao Miguel regarding the Escorcia line? I think I may be > missing a generation, or it is simply wrong. > > JR > > Descendants of Francisco Afonso das Cortes > > > Generation No. 1 > > > 1. FRANCISCO AFONSO DAS1 CORTES He married CATARINA ESCORCIO, > daughter > of JOAO DRUMMOND OU ESCOSCIO and BRANCA AFONSO. > > > Child of FRANCISCO CORTES and CATARINA ESCORCIO is: > > 2. i. ANA2 ESCORCIO. > > > > Generation No. 2 > > > 2. ANA2 ESCORCIO She married DIOGO DIAS BRANDAO > > Child of ANA ESCORCIO and DIOGO BRAND©ÐO is: > > 3. i. MONICA DIAS3 BRANDAO, b. resident of Nordeste- Sao Jorge. > > > > Generation No. 3 > > > 3. MONICA DIAS3 BRANDAO was born in resident of Nordeste- Sao Jorge. > She > married ANTONIO AFONSO CAVALEIRO DE SANTIAGO Abt. 1540 in Nordeste- Sao > Jorge, son of JOAO AFONSO and ISABEL BRANDAO. He was resident of Nordeste- > (Sao Jorge igreja), Sao Miguel > > Notes for ANTONIO AFONSO CAVALEIRO DE SANTIAGO: > > Cavaleiro de Santiago, cited by Frutuoso in book four, chapter 36, > item15, and chapter 14 , item 15 > > > Child of MONICA BRANDAO and ANTONIO AFONSO is: > > i. BEATRIZ4 BRANDAO, b. residents of Lomba de Sao Pedro, Nordeste; m. > GASPAR DE TEVE DE MESAS, Abt. 1575, Nordeste- Sao Jorge; b. residents of > Lomba de Sao Pedro, Nordeste. > > Notes for GASPAR DE TEVE DE MESAS: > > Gaspar de Teves Mesa was born in Lomba de Sao Pedro, Nordeste, Sao > Miguel, A©'ores. He married Beatriz Brandoa. > > ------------------------------- > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! > http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message