Hi paulo.... that's a great mistery about this lady. "mine" Catarina Vaz (my 11th great-grandmother) is the daughter of Fernao Anes and Ines Afonso (dont have their ancestors to trace back...do you have it??). She married Sebastiao de Abreu. That info is 100% correct because is listed on their son's wedding cerificate of Domingos de Abreu and Maria Goncalves on 4 feb 1619 in Ribeira Brava. So i have no idea how to solve that, but at same can see that Catarina Vaz had another son called Joao Homem....so maybe she is descendant of the Homem family as you said.... any more info to add??? what do you think??/ Leandro

On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 15:18:53 +0100, <Gregobhte1@aol.com> wrote: > Hi paulo.... > that's a great mistery about this lady. "mine" Catarina Vaz (my 11th > great-grandmother) is the daughter of Fernao Anes and Ines Afonso (dont > have their > ancestors to trace back...do you have it??). She married Sebastiao de > Abreu. > That info is 100% correct because is listed on their son's wedding > cerificate > of Domingos de Abreu and Maria Goncalves on 4 feb 1619 in Ribeira > Brava. So i > have no idea how to solve that, but at same can see that Catarina Vaz > had > another son called Joao Homem....so maybe she is descendant of the > Homem family > as you said.... > any more info to add??? what do you think??/ Well, I believe it is certain that either Sebastião de Abreu or Catarina Vaz belonged to the Homem family, most striking evidence is their son Pde. Pedro Homem and the João Homem you referred. I don't find to be that probable, however, that she was the daughter of Fernão d' Anes and Inês Afonso. I don't know any evidece for this, quite the opposite. As for the ascendance the Nobiliaries attribute to Fernão d' Anes, it's Pedro Afonso, Knight (s. of Gaspar ÁLvares and Grimanesa pires), and Leonor Homem d' El Rei (d. of João Homem, Knight, and Aldonça Lopes, this one d. of Afonso Pires and Inês Anes). These are the ancestors of the Homem d' El Rei family, but I have my doubts its related to the Ribeira Brava Homens. There seems to be great confusion and mixing on all this people. The Macedos, which appear togheter with the Ribeira Brava Abreus, are also a mistery. I suspect there's some connection with the Azores, especially with the MACEDO, and the COLUMBREIRO, which also appear in Ribeira Brava, and possibly this HOMEM family. Perhaps it's there where is our missing link. Paulo -- " Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." -- Horacio